Ants Podcast 91: It's That Time Again and Again - Episode Discussion - Antsmarching.org Forums

Go Back   Antsmarching.org Forums > General Discussion > DMBc Discussion


Want to hide all ads on Ants? Click here
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-04-2018, 10:19 PM   #1
Matt
 
Matt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 11,203

Shows Seen: 76

Ants Podcast 91: It's That Time Again and Again - Episode Discussion

In our new album penultimate podcast, we discuss the latest song drop of Again and Again (ed: Bob Law), along with the album track times and the last 5 live shows.*We take a data driven look at each of the topics and in each case it tells us something different than the general feel.*Do you agree with the data or the feel?*Plus a lightning-round recap of the setlist game results.*Give it a listen and then join us this Sunday night for a LIVE podcast discussion on the new album.
Matt is offline   Reply With Quote

  • Want to hide all ads on Ants? Click here
  • Old 06-05-2018, 01:18 AM   #2
    eggsrsweet
     
    eggsrsweet's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Jul 2008
    Posts: 2,183

    Shows Seen: 33

    Re: Ants Podcast 91: It's That Time Again and Again - Episode Discussion

    To the bit about questioning who the producers were for what song, you can check that stuff on Spotify. Here are the producers for the songs we have so far:

    Samurai Cop - Produced by John Alagia, Rob Cavallo

    That Girl Is You - Produced by Rob Evans

    Again and Again - Produced by John Alagia, Rob Cavallo
    eggsrsweet is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 06-05-2018, 06:58 AM   #3
    Dankguitar
     
    Join Date: Sep 2004
    Posts: 2,176

    Shows Seen: 28

    Re: Ants Podcast 91: It's That Time Again and Again - Episode Discussion

    Matt, you seem really down on the band these days and I don’t really blame you necessarily. That being said I’m surprised you’re not happy with how the band sounds. Is the violin missed greatly? Sure. But has the violin really been a part of their live sound in recent years? Nope. Aside from a few songs such as Ants where it just doesn’t work, I think the band is playing with much more finesse/dynamics than they have since Rashawn and Tim joined.
    Dankguitar is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 06-05-2018, 08:09 AM   #4
    Bluewater21
    Climbin' out the mud
     
    Bluewater21's Avatar
     
    Join Date: May 2009
    Location: Bethel Park, PA
    Posts: 7,473

    Shows Seen: 49

    Re: Ants Podcast 91: It's That Time Again and Again - Episode Discussion

    I really donít understand how anyone can complain about how they sound this year. I went to both shows this past weekend and they sounded great. They donít seem to be rushing through songs at all, very deliberate notes.
    Bluewater21 is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 06-05-2018, 12:46 PM   #5
    Matt
     
    Matt's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Dec 2001
    Posts: 11,203

    Shows Seen: 76

    Re: Ants Podcast 91: It's That Time Again and Again - Episode Discussion

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dankguitar View Post
    Matt, you seem really down on the band these days and I donít really blame you necessarily. That being said Iím surprised youíre not happy with how the band sounds. Is the violin missed greatly? Sure. But has the violin really been a part of their live sound in recent years? Nope. Aside from a few songs such as Ants where it just doesnít work, I think the band is playing with much more finesse/dynamics than they have since Rashawn and Tim joined.
    Yeah, they just sound empty to me. Look at it this way: how many bands out there are guitar(s), drums, bass and piano? Quite a few. Now you've got sax/trumpet but my feelings on the execution of that are well known; Jeff Coffin is absolutely neutered up there by the current setup and they're a glorified horn section. Boring stuff and way beneath their talent levels. It's a strong example of the sum being less than the parts. The violin, poor as it's been in recent years, was still a unique dynamic, and a good chunk of their classic songs absolutely rely on it. What you feel is finesse and dynamic, I find to be canned and unimaginative with regards to Jeff/Rashawn.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bluewater21 View Post
    I really donít understand how anyone can complain about how they sound this year. I went to both shows this past weekend and they sounded great. They donít seem to be rushing through songs at all, very deliberate notes.
    Well that's the thing about opinions, we can have different ones. Hey, don't get me wrong. I'm super happy you got to hit some shows and you enjoyed yourself. We all want that. I just don't think this current iteration of the band is all that interesting. Throw in predictable and safe setlists, and you've got someone who's been to 75 shows (me) who just isn't all that excited about seeing number 76.
    Matt is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 06-05-2018, 12:53 PM   #6
    DMBCardinal
     
    DMBCardinal's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Feb 2009
    Location: Muncie, Indiana
    Posts: 3,042

    Shows Seen: 10

    Re: Ants Podcast 91: It's That Time Again and Again - Episode Discussion

    I think the band sounds better than they have in years. Big fan of Buddy.
    DMBCardinal is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 06-05-2018, 12:58 PM   #7
    Bmwm3oz
     
    Bmwm3oz's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Aug 2004
    Location: Seattle
    Posts: 5,747

    Shows Seen: 36

    Re: Ants Podcast 91: It's That Time Again and Again - Episode Discussion

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Matt View Post
    Throw in predictable and safe setlists, and you've got someone who's been to 75 shows (me) who just isn't all that excited about seeing number 76.
    They've played what, nine shows? They lost Boyd and brought in Buddy..that's a big adjustment to make. Also, they aren't playing at any exciting venues yet.

    Then again, I've never understood the setlist obsession. I like good music. Right now the band is playing really well and there is a new energy we haven't seen in a while. If they throw in Let you down or #40, are the shows suddenly something to be excited for?
    Bmwm3oz is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 06-05-2018, 12:59 PM   #8
    DMBCardinal
     
    DMBCardinal's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Feb 2009
    Location: Muncie, Indiana
    Posts: 3,042

    Shows Seen: 10

    Re: Ants Podcast 91: It's That Time Again and Again - Episode Discussion

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bmwm3oz View Post
    They've played what, nine shows? They lost Boyd and brought in Buddy..that's a big adjustment to make. Also, they aren't playing at any exciting venues yet.

    Then again, I've never understood the setlist obsession. I like good music. Right now the band is playing really well and there is a new energy we haven't seen in a while. If they throw in Let you down or #40, are the shows suddenly something to be excited for?
    If you go to multiple shows I could understand the concern. Iím going to one show, so the repetition doesnít bother me.
    DMBCardinal is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 06-05-2018, 01:00 PM   #9
    Bmwm3oz
     
    Bmwm3oz's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Aug 2004
    Location: Seattle
    Posts: 5,747

    Shows Seen: 36

    Re: Ants Podcast 91: It's That Time Again and Again - Episode Discussion

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DMBCardinal View Post
    If you go to multiple shows I could understand the concern. Iím going to one show, so the repetition doesnít bother me.
    Ah, yeah, should have thought of that.
    Bmwm3oz is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 06-05-2018, 01:22 PM   #10
    skiddiet
    Oak-town!
     
    skiddiet's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Jul 2005
    Posts: 6,102

    Shows Seen: 24

    Re: Ants Podcast 91: It's That Time Again and Again - Episode Discussion

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Matt View Post
    Yeah, they just sound empty to me. Look at it this way: how many bands out there are guitar(s), drums, bass and piano? Quite a few. Now you've got sax/trumpet but my feelings on the execution of that are well known; Jeff Coffin is absolutely neutered up there by the current setup and they're a glorified horn section. Boring stuff and way beneath their talent levels. It's a strong example of the sum being less than the parts. The violin, poor as it's been in recent years, was still a unique dynamic, and a good chunk of their classic songs absolutely rely on it. What you feel is finesse and dynamic, I find to be canned and unimaginative with regards to Jeff/Rashawn.
    This is my biggest concern/thought/critique of the band. It's a total waste of Jeff (and Rashawn's) talent to reserve them for 30seconds at the end of the song for a rehearsed "horn part". I wonder if Jeff will bounce one day (soon). Although, I'm sure the paychecks are incredible.
    __________________
    -Brendan

    Shotgun, Irvine, CA 2006 "...maybe we should go dancing?"
    skiddiet is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 06-05-2018, 01:26 PM   #11
    KClaw
     
    KClaw's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Jun 2003
    Posts: 194

    Shows Seen: 44

    Re: Ants Podcast 91: It's That Time Again and Again - Episode Discussion

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Matt View Post
    Yeah, they just sound empty to me. Look at it this way: how many bands out there are guitar(s), drums, bass and piano? Quite a few. Now you've got sax/trumpet but my feelings on the execution of that are well known; Jeff Coffin is absolutely neutered up there by the current setup and they're a glorified horn section. Boring stuff and way beneath their talent levels. It's a strong example of the sum being less than the parts. The violin, poor as it's been in recent years, was still a unique dynamic, and a good chunk of their classic songs absolutely rely on it. What you feel is finesse and dynamic, I find to be canned and unimaginative with regards to Jeff/Rashawn.



    Well that's the thing about opinions, we can have different ones. Hey, don't get me wrong. I'm super happy you got to hit some shows and you enjoyed yourself. We all want that. I just don't think this current iteration of the band is all that interesting. Throw in predictable and safe setlists, and you've got someone who's been to 75 shows (me) who just isn't all that excited about seeing number 76.
    The band sounded great Saturday. I seem to be in the rarity in thinking that the band sounds great on Ants this year. I don't miss the violin on that song - other songs maybe but not that one. I don't know, Jeff and Rashawn seem like more than a glorified horn section to me. You are selling them short. Rashawn was doing some great stuff on the solos and Boyd parts at Blossom. He was the MVP last Saturday night IMO. Sure the violin and sax make them a little more unique than a lot of bands but the most unique sound/aspect to me is and always will be Dave himself. I don't miss the violin as it hasn't been consistently great the last few tours and this version of the band is tight.
    KClaw is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 06-05-2018, 01:26 PM   #12
    KClaw
     
    KClaw's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Jun 2003
    Posts: 194

    Shows Seen: 44

    Re: Ants Podcast 91: It's That Time Again and Again - Episode Discussion

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DMBCardinal View Post
    I think the band sounds better than they have in years. Big fan of Buddy.
    In agreement.
    KClaw is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 06-05-2018, 01:40 PM   #13
    Bmwm3oz
     
    Bmwm3oz's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Aug 2004
    Location: Seattle
    Posts: 5,747

    Shows Seen: 36

    Re: Ants Podcast 91: It's That Time Again and Again - Episode Discussion

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KClaw View Post
    The band sounded great Saturday. I seem to be in the rarity in thinking that the band sounds great on Ants this year. I don't miss the violin on that song - other songs maybe but not that one. I don't know, Jeff and Rashawn seem like more than a glorified horn section to me. You are selling them short. Rashawn was doing some great stuff on the solos and Boyd parts at Blossom. He was the MVP last Saturday night IMO. Sure the violin and sax make them a little more unique than a lot of bands but the most unique sound/aspect to me is and always will be Dave himself. I don't miss the violin as it hasn't been consistently great the last few tours and this version of the band is tight.
    Youíre not alone. Most of us think the band sounds great
    Bmwm3oz is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 06-05-2018, 08:23 PM   #14
    birdsfan09
    O's/Ravens/Caps/Terps
     
    Join Date: Jun 2010
    Location: Westminster, MD
    Posts: 234

    Shows Seen: 25

    Re: Ants Podcast 91: It's That Time Again and Again - Episode Discussion

    What did Joe mean when saying there’s rumors about what this tour may bring???
    birdsfan09 is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 06-05-2018, 08:40 PM   #15
    BruceW
     
    BruceW's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Apr 2005
    Location: FLA
    Posts: 26,454

    Shows Seen: 44

    Re: Ants Podcast 91: It's That Time Again and Again - Episode Discussion

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by birdsfan09 View Post
    What did Joe mean when saying thereís rumors about what this tour may bring???


    Rumors of a violinist guesting at some point
    BruceW is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 06-06-2018, 02:06 PM   #16
    DaveCrave41
    red glare
     
    DaveCrave41's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Feb 2003
    Location: Atlanta, GA
    Posts: 553

    Shows Seen: 23

    Re: Ants Podcast 91: It's That Time Again and Again - Episode Discussion

    WTWE sounded awesome with Buddy. I'm not a huge fan of WTWE, but he brought the funky!
    __________________
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jake
    ask a music question
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Carson31 View Post
    Maybe we'll get more news come tomorrow? A new single soon? Come On!

    Awesome that fans had the opportunity to ask Mark about DMB. Hopefully he didn't catch the red glare of anyone else involved.

    livewithdeath.com
    DaveCrave41 is offline   Reply With Quote
    Old 06-06-2018, 02:58 PM   #17
    kev87lads
    Well, hello.
     
    kev87lads's Avatar
     
    Join Date: Jan 2002
    Location: Bux Cty, PA
    Posts: 8,834

    Shows Seen: 72

    Re: Ants Podcast 91: It's That Time Again and Again - Episode Discussion

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Matt View Post
    In our new album penultimate podcast, we discuss the latest song drop of Again and Again (ed: Bob Law), along with the album track times and the last 5 live shows.*We take a data driven look at each of the topics and in each case it tells us something different than the general feel.*Do you agree with the data or the feel?*Plus a lightning-round recap of the setlist game results.*Give it a listen and then join us this Sunday night for a LIVE podcast discussion on the new album.
    Hey Matt. I'll be that guy that asks again because I didn't see an answer anywhere. Have you and Joe just not been able to line up schedules with Jake for these more recent podcasts or has Jake just taken a step back from some of the stuff on Ants? Maybe I missed something.

    Either way. Good listen again. Thanks for doing these.
    __________________
    Still Kev

    Click the "Show Spoiler" Button to reveal hidden text.

    whew!, 72!
    kev87lads is offline   Reply With Quote
    Reply

    Thread Tools
    Display Modes

    Posting Rules
    You may not post new threads
    You may not post replies
    You may not post attachments
    You may not edit your posts

    BB code is On
    Smilies are On
    [IMG] code is Off
    HTML code is Off

    Forum Jump


    Want to hide all ads on Ants? Click here

    All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:05 AM.


    Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
    Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.


       
    Site LinksAbout AntsAnts MobileTweet Tweet
    Home
    Ants+
    Tour Central
    Search bar
    RSS Feeds
    About Us
    Contact Us
    The Ants Blog
    Advertise on Ants
    Privacy Policy
    Ants on your cell phone
    iAnts
    mobile news
    mobile setlists
    antslive!
    Ants' Twitter
    DMBLive Twitter
    Ants Facebook
    Ants Instagram
    Matt's Twitter
    Joe's Twitter