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Old 04-12-2005, 02:02 PM   #91
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Can anybody break this down for me? I don't understand the whole order of flats/order of sharps thing. Also, what is an octave?

also...
Think of an octave like this...

do ra me fa so la ti do

the second "do" is one octave higher than the first.

you will experience the same effect as you play a scale on your guitar.

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    Re: Guitar Theory

    Question for you all...

    Lets say I'm using a common major key chord progression (ex. C Am F G just for an example)

    can I substitute an add9, add11, 7th, 9th, 11th, sus, etc... for any of those chords or are thier "rules" for using chords like that.

    I ask because I've been learning to play a lot of maj7th and add9 and other cool chords and I really like their sound but I'm not sure how they fit with other chords.
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    Old 04-27-2005, 11:42 PM   #93
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    Re: Guitar Theory

    They should be diatonic to the key you're playing.

    I covered a lot of this on page 2 of this thread......see if I answer your questions there.
    If not, maybe you could come back with a more specific question..........nothing against the one you already asked......but it could take me 30 minutes to type a lesson on that subject. (and I think I already have a couple times in this thread)

    check it out and let me know....
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    Old 04-28-2005, 12:48 AM   #94
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    Yeah I don't think page 2 answers my question I should have been a little more specific, so here goes...

    I've been playing around with a lot of add9 and add11 chords lately trying to figure out some good progressions that go well together. I'm wondering what the rules (I know music has no set rules really) are to mix and match add9, add11, etc. chords into the same progression. Do they all have to be add9 in the progression, or can just one of them be?

    example: For a major key the V chord resolves to a I very well (I vi IV V I progression), and so on, but do these "rules" apply when you change the V chord to a Vadd9 or a Vmaj9 or etc...(I know I can use my ears and listen, but I'm wondering if there is a technical way about this)

    Please don't think you need to sit down and write a whole lesson on this, if it's a too deep, theory wise, to get into I'll understand, but otherwise I'm just curious.

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    Old 05-04-2005, 02:39 AM   #95
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    This is amazing...just getting ready to start learning and I feel like I already know something... Thanks for the lessons. Honestly one of the best tips I've gotten yet.
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    i never really dug the CAGED system......it seems like its too advanced for people just starting out.......i teach basic guitar to some people, and i tried the CAGED system with one of them and it was just too confusing......i had them instead play every C A G E and D from lowest to highest or vice versa, and the students that played the notes by recognizing their octaves without me having to say anything are the ones that arent gonna be such a headache, haha....but i had them show me 5 different ways to play a maj chord, then use a word synonomous with arpeggiate(they come in already knowing that as a musical term so they get a little nervous hearing it), so after they actually do it tell them what theyre doing and it gives them a little more confidence.....not a lot, haha......but i found it alot easier for people to start with a single note.....F on the low E, then an F on the D, then an on the B, then explain that an F on the B is also the first fret on the high E, then they get how there are really only seven notes on a guitar.....it just helps make it a little more closed, but without all the rhetoric of the CAGED.....but, again, thats just for beginning guitar players
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    Yeah I don't think page 2 answers my question I should have been a little more specific, so here goes...

    I've been playing around with a lot of add9 and add11 chords lately trying to figure out some good progressions that go well together. I'm wondering what the rules (I know music has no set rules really) are to mix and match add9, add11, etc. chords into the same progression. Do they all have to be add9 in the progression, or can just one of them be?

    example: For a major key the V chord resolves to a I very well (I vi IV V I progression), and so on, but do these "rules" apply when you change the V chord to a Vadd9 or a Vmaj9 or etc...(I know I can use my ears and listen, but I'm wondering if there is a technical way about this)

    Please don't think you need to sit down and write a whole lesson on this, if it's a too deep, theory wise, to get into I'll understand, but otherwise I'm just curious.

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    well the basis of all diatonic harmony is based on the tonic (I), mediant (III), and dominant (V) notes, that's how major chords are formed. if you really want to get technical, its because of the ratio of frequencies for each note.
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    Re: Guitar Theory

    Does anyone have the book "Theory for the Contemporary Guitarist" by Guy Capuzzo?

    It's put out by the National Guitar Workshop.

    Drop me a PM or a note in here if you have it.
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    Old 12-26-2005, 12:33 PM   #99
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    Re: Guitar Theory

    hey, i'm a bass player and this is my 1st time in this sticky.. i didnt read everything yet.. it would take forever..

    but..

    do you have a good area specifially to benefit bass players knowledge of scales and theory? i'm know a fair share of theory and have been playing for 2 years now.. but i want to learn more.. where is a good spot to do that?

    is that another good website for bass theory?
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    Old 01-01-2006, 10:33 AM   #100
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    hmm...I'm not really sure of a good bass theory website....

    I'll check with some guys I know and post back if I find anything worthwhile.
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    Old 02-13-2006, 04:35 PM   #101
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    Re: Guitar Theory

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    Yeah I don't think page 2 answers my question I should have been a little more specific, so here goes...

    I've been playing around with a lot of add9 and add11 chords lately trying to figure out some good progressions that go well together. I'm wondering what the rules (I know music has no set rules really) are to mix and match add9, add11, etc. chords into the same progression. Do they all have to be add9 in the progression, or can just one of them be?

    example: For a major key the V chord resolves to a I very well (I vi IV V I progression), and so on, but do these "rules" apply when you change the V chord to a Vadd9 or a Vmaj9 or etc...(I know I can use my ears and listen, but I'm wondering if there is a technical way about this)

    Please don't think you need to sit down and write a whole lesson on this, if it's a too deep, theory wise, to get into I'll understand, but otherwise I'm just curious.

    -Dave
    the V>I "rule" never changes. That cadence sounds good because of the first, third, and fifth notes of each chord, which don't change when you add extensions (like 7ths or ninths).

    For writing chord progressions with extensions, you have to make sure the notes are diatonic to the key you're in (in the same key). For example:

    Say you're writing in E, which is E F# G# A B C# D#.

    If you were to harmonize this in ninths, you'd have...

    E maj 9 - E G# B D# F#
    F#m9 - F# A C# E G# (NOT a major ninth, a major ninth would have an F, a major seventh interval, this is just a seventh here)
    G#m9 - G# B D# F# A
    A maj 9 - A C# E G# B
    B9 - B D# F# A C#
    C#m9 - C# E G# B D#
    D#m9 dim. - D# F# A C# E

    You don't have to make everything a ninth chord, that was just an example. If you wanted to make the A and add 4 chord, you would just add the fourth tone from A, which would be A C# D# E.

    These aren't techinical rules, but guidelines. They can be broken. In blues, for example, you normally won't find a maj7 for the IV chord (here, A), you'd find a regular dominant 7th - A C# E G. The G is a flatted third in E, and a flatted seventh in the A chord. Flatted thirds, fifths, and sevenths give the blues that distinct sound.
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    Old 02-14-2006, 08:45 PM   #102
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    hey, i'm a bass player and this is my 1st time in this sticky.. i didnt read everything yet.. it would take forever..

    but..

    do you have a good area specifially to benefit bass players knowledge of scales and theory? i'm know a fair share of theory and have been playing for 2 years now.. but i want to learn more.. where is a good spot to do that?

    is that another good website for bass theory?

    I don't play bass but check out www.cyberfretbass.com
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    Old 02-15-2006, 04:27 AM   #103
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    your by far the coolest person i have ever come across. I have been trying to learn this but havent really figured it out until your messages. i still do have some questions, but i'll ask them to you after i try to figure them out a bit more. And if you wouldnt mind e-mailing me this document that'd be great. Once again, I really appreciate it. monkeymike1@yahoo.com
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    Old 02-18-2006, 01:00 PM   #104
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    pipsqueak,

    your by far the coolest person i have ever come across. I have been trying to learn this but havent really figured it out until your messages. i still do have some questions, but i'll ask them to you after i try to figure them out a bit more. And if you wouldnt mind e-mailing me this document that'd be great. Once again, I really appreciate it. monkeymike1@yahoo.com
    Well thanks.....but the real "thank you" is to the people I learned from....because that's where the information I posted came from.

    good luck!
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    Old 02-18-2006, 07:50 PM   #105
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    I know (from reading) that you have heard it a thousand times, but thank you so much adam for just typing all of this out. I just spent 3 hours reading most of this thread and playing along to learn. Its so nice to get the equivalent to a lesson finally after about a year of trying to teach myself everything. I've been able to work hard enough to learn a lot on my own, but there's only so much one can do. This is really gonna help me move on a lot faster.

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    Old 05-23-2006, 07:12 PM   #106
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    I dont really understand theory and am getting pretty serious with my guitar playing, can anyone reccomend a book or maybe a movie that can help teach me theory over the summer. Thanks
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    Old 07-26-2006, 01:52 AM   #108
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    I dont really understand theory and am getting pretty serious with my guitar playing, can anyone reccomend a book or maybe a movie that can help teach me theory over the summer. Thanks
    Hey check out the jazz theory book by mark levine. it starts easy but it covers sooo much. it is one of the most useful books i've ever seen. a bit expensive but worth every cent. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/188...lance&n=283155
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    If I'm listening to a song, how can I tell if its in A minor natural or C major. The two keys have the same exact notes in their scale...
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    Old 09-25-2006, 06:30 PM   #110
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    great idea for a thread, i'm gonna start using it!
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    So......all you good people get all the theory down?



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    Old 12-24-2006, 11:47 AM   #113
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    I have heard somewhere that learning to play with electoguitar more simle than with acoustic one. Is it true?
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    Hey, I just wanted to say that was a cool first post to this thread. I'm just starting to play guitar myself, inspired by Dave for sure.

    You know when you see them live, and it's just like.. how does he do that at the same time as sing?

    There aren't that many other players like that.

    Lately I've totally been getting into Cas Lucas, and wow, he is a sick guitar player. (http://myspace.com/caslucas) I don't know what he's playing, but it's pretty cool. Check it out.

    OK. Just saying hey.

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    New to Ants,
    I play blues harp as a hobby, mostly in 2nd position. Can anyone tell me keys to play in 2nd possition for a few of DMB songs.

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    I have the very basic skill in guitar (barely though) and is it possible for me to just learn dave songs? or do i need to go thoruhg all the lessons to learn about chords? ex. learn how to play a certain song with out knowing the chords.. is that possible and easy?
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    you guys can edit it if you want, i've at least got the ball moving

    download: http://www.itypical.com/john/guitartheory.doc

    *right click, save target as. you need microsoft word 97 or higher
    Hi, Does anyone have the word doc mentioned above? The link no longer works.

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    So I'm working on finding keys and key changes and my teacher forgot to write down anything about them before telling me to analyze. I know that these are what I need to use:

    Major minor minor Major Major minor minor
    Major minor minor Major Dominant minor Diminished

    and maybe there's one for minor keys but I really have no clue. I get it for most songs but these with 7ths and stuff are screwing me up. Here is the chord progression:

    Am7 D7 Gmaj7 Cmaj7 F# B7 Em7 Am7 D7 Gmaj7 Cmaj7 F# B7 Em7
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    So I'm working on finding keys and key changes and my teacher forgot to write down anything about them before telling me to analyze. I know that these are what I need to use:

    Major minor minor Major Major minor minor
    Major minor minor Major Dominant minor Diminished

    and maybe there's one for minor keys but I really have no clue. I get it for most songs but these with 7ths and stuff are screwing me up. Here is the chord progression:

    Am7 D7 Gmaj7 Cmaj7 F# B7 Em7 Am7 D7 Gmaj7 Cmaj7 F# B7 Em7
    is this a progression for a song? i'm not sure what your assignment was asking for. When you add a seventh to your chord, you end up with a new set of tonalities. Instead of just major, minor, diminished, and augmented chords, you get major-minor combinations (major-major, major-minor, minor-minor, and my favorite - minor-major)... as well as your dominant diminished chords (full diminished and half diminished). Are these what you're working on?
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    is this a progression for a song? i'm not sure what your assignment was asking for. When you add a seventh to your chord, you end up with a new set of tonalities. Instead of just major, minor, diminished, and augmented chords, you get major-minor combinations (major-major, major-minor, minor-minor, and my favorite - minor-major)... as well as your dominant diminished chords (full diminished and half diminished). Are these what you're working on?
    Yeah it's a progression for a song. The assignment is to identify the key changes and state what the keys are and in what position of the key they're in(1, 2, 5, etc). I'm not familiar with (major-minor, minor-minor, etc) so I don't think that's it.

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