Hold 'em poker

[UNC41]

You also don't post the 2/3s of the time you're in that same situation and you win.

[K3nTaKa0s]

If you guys want, I can put my hand histories into a zip file and you can go through them.

[UNC41]

I just don't understand the point of making this a bad beat thread.

[thehammer316]

Originally Posted by K3nTaKa0s

You'd think the play would get better as you go up in stakes.

Full Tilt Poker Game #18767110006: Tier Two $24+$2 Sit & Go (142472056), Table 1 - 80/160 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:47:47 ET - 2010/02/25
Seat 1: Sfantu_o (2,310)
Seat 2: K3nTaKa0s (1,436)
Seat 3: David9658 (4,799)
Seat 5: TripleEdge (4,955)
Sfantu_o posts the small blind of 80
K3nTaKa0s posts the big blind of 160
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to K3nTaKa0s [Ad Td]
David9658 raises to 320
TripleEdge folds
Sfantu_o folds
K3nTaKa0s has 15 seconds left to act
K3nTaKa0s raises to 1,436, and is all in
David9658 calls 1,116
K3nTaKa0s shows [Ad Td]
David9658 shows [As 4c]
K3nTaKa0s: please hold up
*** FLOP *** [5s Kh 9c]
*** TURN *** [5s Kh 9c] [Qd]
*** RIVER *** [5s Kh 9c Qd] [4d]
K3nTaKa0s shows Ace King high
David9658 shows a pair of Fours
David9658 wins the pot (2,952) with a pair of Fours
K3nTaKa0s: wow
*** SUMMARY ***

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nope, degenerates find a nut and move the stakes up. If someone raises A6 suited, they will do it for $5 or $100

[K3nTaKa0s]

Originally Posted by UNC41

I just don't understand the point of making this a bad beat thread.

What would you like to talk about?

[UNC41]

Originally Posted by K3nTaKa0s

What would you like to talk about?

I figure discussing things like the optimal way to play a hand, nice scores and picked off bluffs are much more interesting than "woe is me I got sucked out" posts over and over again.

[dre2142]

Originally Posted by K3nTaKa0s

What would you like to talk about?

every now and then you post up a TRUELY bad beat.......i dont mind those

[dre2142]

Originally Posted by K3nTaKa0s

I don't think I can find any hands where I jam it with the A4 up against the bigger ace.

4 handed when you are high stack? doubtful

what about the Aq vs Ak...why even post that? oh yeah, youve never done a move like that either.

You wont ever see a pro complaining about hands like the above....because it happens and its part of the game. Ya only remember when you get sucked out on, not when you suck out on others. People also seem to forget that those at the table cant see your hand....so calling with AQ isnt a bad move.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Originally Posted by dre2142

4 handed when you are high stack? doubtful

You must have me confused with the average online player. I don't even call raises with ace/four.. unless it's heads up.

[dre2142]

Originally Posted by K3nTaKa0s

You must have me confused with the average online player. I don't even call raises with ace/four.. unless it's heads up.

Ah, didnt realize I was talking to a pro. Whos your sponsor? Ill keep an eye out for your name on the lists for now on

you didnt answer why you posted the AK vs Aq hand.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Because I felt like it. You don't have to click Show Sponsor if you don't want to.

I never even said anything about the AK/AQ hand.

[UNC41]

Originally Posted by K3nTaKa0s

You must have me confused with the average online player. I don't even call raises with ace/four.. unless it's heads up.

If A-4 is absolutely outside your calling range three and four handed, you are playing way to nitty.

[thehammer316]

Four handed: A4 is pretty deelish

[K3nTaKa0s]

Originally Posted by UNC41

If A-4 is absolutely outside your calling range three and four handed, you are playing way to nitty.

Weak/tight. That's my game.

[UNC41]

Originally Posted by K3nTaKa0s

Weak/tight. That's my game.

A range that tight is essentially weakest and tightest. Any reason that is your strategy?

[K3nTaKa0s]

I just don't like to put myself in predictaments where I call a raise with a weak ace and it comes A/x/x. Then I have to make a decision for all of my chips with top pair with a weak kicker. I'd rather fold the A4 and wait on the JJ. Then when it comes 9/7/2 and they go nuts with the A9, I got 'em.

[dre2142]

Originally Posted by K3nTaKa0s

I just don't like to put myself in predictaments where I call a raise with a weak ace and it comes A/x/x. Then I have to make a decision for all of my chips with top pair with a weak kicker. I'd rather fold the A4 and wait on the JJ. Then when it comes 9/7/2 and they go nuts with the A9, I got 'em.

but 9/10 that A9 will beat your JJ because the law of percentages dont apply when youre in the hand j/k..just giving you a hard time. play your game

[jkrue22]

Playing my first tourney on PokerStars in 5 minutes ($4.40 NL Hold 'Em)... wish me luck!

How long do these typically take? There are 447 people registered right now... not that I'm planning on making the final table.

[jkrue22]

Ahh what a rush! Finished 400th out of about 2500 (top 288 got paid)... fought back from the brink, took a good lead at the table, hung on for awhile. Got my chips in with the best hand and the other guy picked it up on the turn... it happens.

[Rockhound18]

I've quit from online for awhile. I've just seen too many horrendous beats in insanely huge spots that just don't believe it anymore. There are way too many players that always seem to run well, whereas I find myself getting sucked out on late. When there's 70 out of 5000+ left in a field where first place is $265k and you lose with AA to KJ against a "good" online player... dude, screw that. That was months ago and I still haven't forgotten it.

Then the last FTOPS event I played in I folded 99 on the first hand because ppl started making crazy raises preflop. Second hand got QQ, flopped top set and got an all in call from JJ that went runner runner for quads... uhhhhhh... yeah ok. Screw online poker, seriously.

If there werent cheating scandals uncovered on other sites I'd probably still consider it ok, but I'm done accepting the fact that there are a lot of players out there making tons of money cashing 12% of the time, whereas I'm slightly negative cashing 16% of the time. If FT found a way to not screw me in the ass just once when I'm making a super deep run, I'd probably still be playing, but I've just been sucked out on in the last 100 ppl of big tournaments to even want to try anymore. It's just not fun anymore.

[UNC41]

I hate my line on this hand, but it worked out. Should have checkraised the flop.

PokerStars Game #40437860622: Tournament #286011196, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2010/02/27 23:30:48 CT [2010/02/28 0:30:48 ET]
Table '286011196 21' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: kcdiscgolfer (7773 in chips)
Seat 2: canaans (6185 in chips)
Seat 3: poker2be (6539 in chips)
Seat 4: sba55 (4412 in chips)
Seat 5: bengy3 (8355 in chips)
Seat 6: lenary (2657 in chips)
lenary: posts small blind 75
kcdiscgolfer: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bengy3 [Td Ah]
canaans: folds
poker2be: folds
sba55: folds
bengy3: raises 300 to 450
lenary: folds
bengy3 said, "that was the definition of bb special"
kcdiscgolfer: raises 300 to 750
bengy3: calls 300
*** FLOP *** [Tc 5s 6c]
kcdiscgolfer: bets 1000
bengy3: calls 1000
*** TURN *** [Tc 5s 6c] [7h]
kcdiscgolfer: bets 1800
bengy3: raises 4805 to 6605 and is all-in
kcdiscgolfer: folds
Uncalled bet (4805) returned to bengy3
kcdiscgolfer said, "really? 10s?"
bengy3 collected 7175 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7175 | Rake 0
Board [Tc 5s 6c 7h]
Seat 1: kcdiscgolfer (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 2: canaans folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: poker2be folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: sba55 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: bengy3 (button) collected (7175)
Seat 6: lenary (small blind) folded before Flop

[fullontilt87]

Originally Posted by UNC41

Should have checkraised the flop.

You're in position?

And I don't think there's anything too wrong with flatting flop and re-evaluating turn, although it may be kinda bad given stack sizes.

[jkrue22]

Played another tourney last night and did pretty well... I was 9 for 9 on showdowns and a couple spots from the money when I went all in with a full house (K's full of A's)... and lost to a dude with 4 K's. In hindsight I should have known he had the quads. That's gotta be the hardest thing to do in poker: fold a great hand with a big pot on the table, but if you have an inkling you might be beat, you probably are.

I at least should have played it safe until I got in the money.

[dre2142]

Originally Posted by jkrue22

Played another tourney last night and did pretty well... I was 9 for 9 on showdowns and a couple spots from the money when I went all in with a full house (K's full of A's)... and lost to a dude with 4 K's. In hindsight I should have known he had the quads. That's gotta be the hardest thing to do in poker: fold a great hand with a big pot on the table, but if you have an inkling you might be beat, you probably are.

I at least should have played it safe until I got in the money.

Howd this hand play out?

3 Ks on the board and you had pocket aces?

[jkrue22]

Close, I had 1 A and there was another on the river. That's the dumb part (on my part): I should have figured he had a K when he called my semi-bluff after the flop. He flopped the set but slow-played it... fooled me. On my final call I even thought: "He probably beat me, but it's late, I'm tired, and it's only a $2 game." That boat on the river was just too enticing.

*********** # 1 **************
PokerStars Game #40439883252: Tournament #286010027, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2010/02/28 2:07:01 ET
Table '286010027 15' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: fausto_478 (315 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: ptwob322 (11541 in chips)
Seat 3: NACHOS009 (2916 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: JimScrill925 (3453 in chips)
Seat 5: OneDollarTom (5505 in chips)
Seat 6: babymaker79 (22714 in chips)
Seat 7: robson58 (10203 in chips)
Seat 8: xaniox (3378 in chips)
Seat 9: MontVernon (6820 in chips)
fausto_478: posts the ante 25
ptwob322: posts the ante 25
NACHOS009: posts the ante 25
JimScrill925: posts the ante 25
OneDollarTom: posts the ante 25
babymaker79: posts the ante 25
robson58: posts the ante 25
xaniox: posts the ante 25
MontVernon: posts the ante 25
JimScrill925: posts small blind 150
OneDollarTom: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ptwob322 [8c Ah]
babymaker79: calls 300
robson58: folds
xaniox: folds
MontVernon: folds
fausto_478: folds
ptwob322: calls 300
NACHOS009: folds
JimScrill925: calls 150
OneDollarTom: checks
*** FLOP *** [5s Kc Kh]
JimScrill925: checks
OneDollarTom: checks
babymaker79: checks
ptwob322: bets 900
JimScrill925: folds
OneDollarTom: folds
babymaker79: calls 900
*** TURN *** [5s Kc Kh] [Kd]
babymaker79: checks
ptwob322: bets 900
babymaker79: calls 900
*** RIVER *** [5s Kc Kh Kd] [As]
babymaker79: checks
ptwob322: bets 1800
babymaker79: raises 10800 to 12600
ptwob322: calls 7616 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (3184) returned to babymaker79
*** SHOW DOWN ***
babymaker79: shows [Ks Qs] (four of a kind, Kings)
ptwob322: shows [8c Ah] (a full house, Kings full of Aces)
babymaker79 collected 23857 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 23857 | Rake 0
Board [5s Kc Kh Kd As]
Seat 1: fausto_478 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: ptwob322 showed [8c Ah] and lost with a full house, Kings full of Aces
Seat 3: NACHOS009 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: JimScrill925 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: OneDollarTom (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: babymaker79 showed [Ks Qs] and won (23857) with four of a kind, Kings
Seat 7: robson58 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: xaniox folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: MontVernon folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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[Rockhound18]

Originally Posted by jkrue22

Close, I had 1 A and there was another on the river. That's the dumb part (on my part): I should have figured he had a K when he called my semi-bluff after the flop. He flopped the set but slow-played it... fooled me. On my final call I even thought: "He probably beat me, but it's late, I'm tired, and it's only a $2 game." That boat on the river was just too enticing.

Yeah, you've gotta realize the value of your hand there is really nothing more than a pair of Aces. The fact you cant get outkicked is nice, and only the king beats you... but there are a lot of hands where a king will go to the flop, and there's no way someone with a king will leave after that flop. On top of that, I feel like most online players will try to trap with a K on that flop and take it slow.

What you said about the gut feeling is definitely true. You went 9/9 on showdowns leading to that point, probably bc you had a good gut feeling that yu were best, and you were. If you have a gut feeling you are beat, then fold, and you are still 9/9, and you save yourself a lot of chips and/or your tournament.

Making deep runs in large fields is all about stack management. A lot of that is getting the max you can out of your big hands. IMO, even more important is losing the least amount possible in other people's big spots.

Everyone is racing to get all the chips in play. Anything you can do to avoid helping other people accomplish that is obviously needed for you to succeed.

You should be happy with your play up to that point though. 9/9 on showdowns is solid

[K3nTaKa0s]

After cashing in the $32k last night, I guess I'll play the Double Deuce and $22 shootout in about an hour.

[Tiduwho]

Originally Posted by Rockhound18

Yeah, you've gotta realize the value of your hand there is really nothing more than a pair of Aces. The fact you cant get outkicked is nice, and only the king beats you... but there are a lot of hands where a king will go to the flop, and there's no way someone with a king will leave after that flop. On top of that, I feel like most online players will try to trap with a K on that flop and take it slow.

What you said about the gut feeling is definitely true. You went 9/9 on showdowns leading to that point, probably bc you had a good gut feeling that yu were best, and you were. If you have a gut feeling you are beat, then fold, and you are still 9/9, and you save yourself a lot of chips and/or your tournament.

Making deep runs in large fields is all about stack management. A lot of that is getting the max you can out of your big hands. IMO, even more important is losing the least amount possible in other people's big spots.

Everyone is racing to get all the chips in play. Anything you can do to avoid helping other people accomplish that is obviously needed for you to succeed.

You should be happy with your play up to that point though. 9/9 on showdowns is solid

I think my best run was 13 out of 16 wins at showdown....but...that's not what it was about. I played 46 hands, and out of those 46 times I took the pot down 42 times. 42/46 hands won. That was awesome.

[Tiduwho]

Well, finished in 11th in a 180 man S&G. That sucked. Oh well. I knew I was done when I raised all in with 88 and someone called. I was right, he had two overs KQ. Pretty much akin to an 80/20% in whoever is against me's favor.

[Tiduwho]

The only way to win is to get people to fold.