The Decision: Boyd Leaving DMB

[ultravioletacro]

Originally Posted by TheLastPig

To me, carter's dynamics took a nosedive this past summer.

I agree with this somewhat but I have to wonder if it's his age more than ability. Following Rush and Neil Peart for 35 years and DMB and Carter for 25 years drumming has to take it's toll on the body. While Neil has chosen to walk away I think Carter may stay and prolly tone down his approach. They're both beasts when it come to playing but I want Carter to play as long as he wants.

[CrazyEasy354]

Originally Posted by ultravioletacro

I agree with this somewhat but I have to wonder if it's his age more than ability. Following Rush and Neil Peart for 35 years and DMB and Carter for 25 years drumming has to take it's toll on the body. While Neil has chosen to walk away I think Carter may stay and prolly tone down his approach. They're both beasts when it come to playing but I want Carter to play as long as he wants.

This is definitely a part of it, IMO. Notice how, in the past year, Carter isn't all smiles the whole show as usual. It's not because he isn't enjoying himself, I just think he needs to work a little harder and focus a little more to get the job done. He is still doing a fabulous job, though. Playing the way he does and being on the road for 25 years just takes it's toll.

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by ultravioletacro

I agree with this somewhat but I have to wonder if it's his age more than ability. Following Rush and Neil Peart for 35 years and DMB and Carter for 25 years drumming has to take it's toll on the body. While Neil has chosen to walk away I think Carter may stay and prolly tone down his approach. They're both beasts when it come to playing but I want Carter to play as long as he wants.

oh I think its certainly mostly due to that. Same reason Two Step barely gets played anymore.

Just sucks to see.

[KevinTH]

This thread has somehow turned from the Boyd discussion to Carter, so I will put a cap on my points before returning you all to puns and jokes about socks...

Instead of posting a paragraph detailing Carter's playing I probably could have posted this and walked...

Grey Street - Gorge 2002
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp3KWrn-VzU

Grey Street - Gorge 2018
https://youtu.be/b9pRTx43Vn8?t=10737

[snake911]

Originally Posted by tripeyedfish

This...i Love Boyd’s fills on so much of the band’s catalogue.

I wish those who don’t want Boyd back at all, or understand why others would look at it like this... if you could replace fonz with a more skilled bass player, would you? More talented for Dave? Does that make sense for any iconic band?
Replace original members with better players? I understand Boyd isn’t the best violinist, but he is Dmb too. Shouldn’t be thst hard to understand.

I get if some are totally against him from these allegations (although I think it is obvious there was a closeted relationship going on there) but as far as keeping Boyd out because of his performance in the past few years...no thanks

I dont think that is a fair comparison. Fonz plays his instrument at a very high level and hasn't had the degradation in playing ability that Boyd had. It also sounds from the Dave interviews like there was tension within the band around Boyd not committing to bringing the effort they felt was needed to the music. So.. I'm fine with them sending Boyd on his way and I would be very unhappy if they did the same to Fonz tomorrow.

[grilldanmo]

Originally Posted by snake911

I dont think that is a fair comparison. Fonz plays his instrument at a very high level and hasn't had the degradation in playing ability that Boyd had. It also sounds from the Dave interviews like there was tension within the band around Boyd not committing to bringing the effort they felt was needed to the music. So.. I'm fine with them sending Boyd on his way and I would be very unhappy if they did the same to Fonz tomorrow.

Fonz has only gotten better over the years. He can do more and his lines are an integral part of the rhythm and harmony of the songs. Boyd has not improved since the band started and (while never the model of consistency) had only gotten less consistent over the years. He still had his moments, even on the 2016 tour, but they were fewer and farther...

Jazz drummers have played well into their 80s, maybe a couple even beyond. Guys like Ellvin Jones (76) and Paul Motion (80) literally played as close to a month before they passed. They weren't playing like they did in the 30s or even 60s, but they stilled killed it on the kit.

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by KevinTH

This thread has somehow turned from the Boyd discussion to Carter, so I will put a cap on my points before returning you all to puns and jokes about socks...

Instead of posting a paragraph detailing Carter's playing I probably could have posted this and walked...

Grey Street - Gorge 2002
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp3KWrn-VzU

Grey Street - Gorge 2018
https://youtu.be/b9pRTx43Vn8?t=10737

Age, cymbal hits, and one was the second song of a show while the other is the closer right? He hasn't done that roll at the end of the '02 version in a long time.

[vailkid]

Originally Posted by KevinTH

This thread has somehow turned from the Boyd discussion to Carter, so I will put a cap on my points before returning you all to puns and jokes about socks...

Instead of posting a paragraph detailing Carter's playing I probably could have posted this and walked...

Grey Street - Gorge 2002
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp3KWrn-VzU

Grey Street - Gorge 2018
https://youtu.be/b9pRTx43Vn8?t=10737

First thing I noticed was how much better this song sounded with Roi. Damn I miss that dude/sound.

[grilldanmo]

Originally Posted by vailkid

First thing I noticed was how much better this song sounded with Roi. Damn I miss that dude/sound.

Infinitely more than I’ve missed Boyd. That said, I love Jeff, he’s just a differently unique player.

[Dankguitar]

Now that Piedmont is slowly going up on YouTube I’ve been watching these performances. This was an album I’ve never wanted to go back to. And now I know why. Who the fuck decided to mix Boyd so loud? Painful

[FeelingGood]

Originally Posted by vailkid

First thing I noticed was how much better this song sounded with Roi. Damn I miss that dude/sound.

Roi makes a huge difference.

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[Cross the ice]

Originally Posted by FeelingGood

Roi makes a huge difference.

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And no Tim on this song is a big improvement.

[dmbolp]

Originally Posted by Dankguitar

Now that Piedmont is slowly going up on YouTube I’ve been watching these performances. This was an album I’ve never wanted to go back to. And now I know why. Who the fuck decided to mix Boyd so loud? Painful

Wasn't this a show Boyd had to go back and re-record? Look at Ants, 0:30 second mark, Boyd is adjusting his amp thing, still getting violin sounds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoezrZ-DCJw

[willndmb]

Originally Posted by dmbolp

Wasn't this a show Boyd had to go back and re-record? Look at Ants, 0:30 second mark, Boyd is adjusting his amp thing, still getting violin sounds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoezrZ-DCJw

Busted, good catch

[tyler3440]

Originally Posted by Dankguitar

Now that Piedmont is slowly going up on YouTube I’ve been watching these performances. This was an album I’ve never wanted to go back to. And now I know why. Who the fuck decided to mix Boyd so loud? Painful

I hate 2007 as a year. Band sounded flat.

This versions of warehouse is really good tho

[crashintonickdm]

That version of ants is still better than anything ants the last 10 years

[ToySoldier#34]

I like the 5/7/16 version of Ants, they screwed up the outro but it's a fun version

[tyler3440]

Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

That version of ants is still better than anything ants the last 10 years

this is true unfortunately.

[tyler3440]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jz3kZDQcr4&t=20s

real ants! also WTF is Boyd wearing?

[willndmb]

Originally Posted by tyler3440

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jz3kZDQcr4&t=20s

real ants! also WTF is Boyd wearing?

Looks like a mesh football practice jersey with socks sown on the arms

[FeelingGood]

They just released Piedmont Two Step on YT. Hadn't seen it in awhile...God what a beautiful performance.

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[ToySoldier#34]

Are there bad versions of Two Step?

[Liquidprints]

When this whole boyd thing came about I was in quite the shock but going to 4 shows in 2018 I saw real quick it was a good decision...

[ultravioletacro]

Originally Posted by vailkid

First thing I noticed was how much better this song sounded with Roi. Damn I miss that dude/sound.

Sorry to get off track on the Boyd thing but man.... I 100% agree with vailkid, God I miss Roi also!

[CrazyEasy354]

So, did any DMB fans show up to Boyd's Mom's funeral or no? I don't remember seeing any posts from DMBFamily about it. Lord knows those would be the people to go.

[pbroderi86]

Originally Posted by CrazyEasy354

So, did any DMB fans show up to Boyd's Mom's funeral or no? I don't remember seeing any posts from DMBFamily about it. Lord knows those would be the people to go.

Lol I asked on the family page and a bunch of people jumped down my throat. Seriously there are a lot of losers over there that would suck a terd out of Dave’s ass if they had the chance. Anyways, I didn’t think there was anything wrong with being curious - and honestly feel a little strange that so many over there aren’t...

[Nick11dx]

Anyone read the article in GQ about muscians getting sober? Trey Anastasio was a part of it and this was a question that was asked to him:

When you see colleagues or peers who still get loaded, what do you think?

Anastasio: I know one guy right now who’s in trouble, who’s going to come crashing down soon, and everyone’s talking about it. I think sobriety had given me the lens to able to see that person—I can see the actual person in there. I don’t do anything—there’s nothing you can do. But I feel for them. I don’t demonize people, I sympathize. [laughs] But I also don’t want to work with them.



I automatically thought he was speaking of Boyd. Of course it could be anyone and especially in the Jam Band scene. However, he is close with Dave and are under the same management.

[crashintonickdm]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

I like the 5/7/16 version of Ants, they screwed up the outro but it's a fun version

Don’t think anyone ever accused the song as not fun. Not as good musically 100%

[canes101190]

Originally Posted by Nick11dx

Anyone read the article in GQ about muscians getting sober? Trey Anastasio was a part of it and this was a question that was asked to him:

When you see colleagues or peers who still get loaded, what do you think?

Anastasio: I know one guy right now who’s in trouble, who’s going to come crashing down soon, and everyone’s talking about it. I think sobriety had given me the lens to able to see that person—I can see the actual person in there. I don’t do anything—there’s nothing you can do. But I feel for them. I don’t demonize people, I sympathize. [laughs] But I also don’t want to work with them.



I automatically thought he was speaking of Boyd. Of course it could be anyone and especially in the Jam Band scene. However, he is close with Dave and are under the same management.

While that was a very strange comment by Trey, I wouldn't make the connection that he was referring to anyone in DMB based off of them having the same management. Still, I found him saying that very odd and don't think it's something GQ should've necessarily published.

[hmich176]

Originally Posted by Nick11dx

Anyone read the article in GQ about muscians getting sober? Trey Anastasio was a part of it and this was a question that was asked to him:

When you see colleagues or peers who still get loaded, what do you think?

Anastasio: I know one guy right now who’s in trouble, who’s going to come crashing down soon, and everyone’s talking about it. I think sobriety had given me the lens to able to see that person—I can see the actual person in there. I don’t do anything—there’s nothing you can do. But I feel for them. I don’t demonize people, I sympathize. [laughs] But I also don’t want to work with them.



I automatically thought he was speaking of Boyd. Of course it could be anyone and especially in the Jam Band scene. However, he is close with Dave and are under the same management.

It really could be anybody in the scene. Boyd's kind of already crashed as it stands.