Is Ticketmaster Corrupt??

[Bmwm3oz]

Originally Posted by spoot388

If only double was all they charged. How about 5 times or more the face value like the prices REALLY are?

Yeah for the first 20 rows which you won't get off Tm anyways

[Bmwm3oz]

Originally Posted by On Bended Knees

life's unfair, everyone knows that, we dont need to be reminded of it constantly with incessant bitching.

[ant_marching41]

Originally Posted by cryfreedmb41

I wasn't gloating. I was just saying I've been on the other end of the stick. I've worked for many companies and we've all handled things in similar ways. I'm sure there's tons of other companies that do things different but in my perspective taking the mature route in life no matter how pissed you are and no matter who it is you're taking to, it'll always get you further.

Good, we agree on that.

You were gloating though. Maybe you didnt mean it that way, but with the way you worded it, you were being very smug about it. "Maybe its because" is a very smug choice of words, and I read it that way, and i dont see any other way to interpret that.

Bottom line, it doesnt matter how any of us choose to word our angry letters. Nothing will change.

[solfeggio4]

If you go to the tour forum, there are actually quite a few people who got seats (some trying again after noon even). I'm not saying there isn't corruption and it doesn't suck (I ended up empty handed at 11:00 on the dot), but there has to be some sort of method to TMs madness. I mean, there were probably thousands of people logging onto their servers at 11 (not counting the 2 or 3 other big concerts that went onsale today). There has to be some sort of system to avoid crashing their site. Maybe they release tickets every few minutes or something. I think we should probably try to understand how TM's website works exactly before we assume they are "screwing us."

As for scalpers and things, laws vary state to state. They have been around since the beginning of tickets, and they probably won't be going away anytime soon.

[On Bended Knees]

who ru quoting?

[ant_marching41]

Originally Posted by On Bended Knees

who ru quoting?

Spreading it around aren't ya?

[TheKramer26]

Originally Posted by Kevinbstbll9

The funny part is if the people who are bitching pulled good seats or seats at all they wouldn't be bitching...
Ticketmaster is all about timing and the Warehouse is all about luck.

There has to be a better way to run things. The two things that you have to bank on to get tickets to a show that you want to go to is Timing and Luck? That's FUCKING BULLSHIT!

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

I got screwed by warehouse and ticketmaster.

Hopefully my friends here on Ants or Ebay don't screw me.

I am going to this concert in NY no matter what

[thegreatr1]

I think that everyone who is claiming this should be illegal needs to take a good, hard look at what constitutes legal and not legal.

Each state governs its own ticketing laws differently. These people who are selling tickets for $7,000 are breaking no laws for multiple reasons. First and foremost, as someone mentioned, most ticket brokers are based out of offices in other counties for that very reason.

Go to the source, you say, and go after ticketmaster? For what, exactly, releasing tickets to the public and having an outrageous number of people try to get tickets at once? The only way any type of law suit could ever be brought against ticketmaster would be if someone was caught selling tickets prior to the published onsale date/time. Problem is, if that were the case, ticketmaster would take action, fire that individual, and claim no responsibility as a company, thus not allowing a lawsuit to be filed against them once again.

How do we get around this mess? Writing to congress or a senator or person of the sort? Highly doubtful, as matters such as this, even when added up comes to millions of dollars, is trivial when matters of healthcare, employment, and homeland security are on the table.

The bottom line is the individual bands, if they feel as strongly as their fans do, need to take a stand like Pearl Jam tried to do. They need to come up with a ticket selling system, pay for it, monitor it, and so on. Until someone does, and does so successfully, we can count on ridiculous posts such as these for any type of high profile event, DMB or otherwise.

[chr35919]

Originally Posted by thegreatr1

The bottom line is the individual bands, if they feel as strongly as their fans do, need to take a stand like Pearl Jam tried to do. They need to come up with a ticket selling system, pay for it, monitor it, and so on. Until someone does, and does so successfully, we can count on ridiculous posts such as these for any type of high profile event, DMB or otherwise.

right, so because dmb/management is stingy, the hardcore fans take in the butt.

[sir iggius]

Originally Posted by On Bended Knees

you guys are all retards. channel your frustration into something constructive. i found a couple sites selling tickets for 150 bucks to RCMH. stop fucking whining. 150 is double face value, get the fuck over it. i just paid 235 for a ticket in the first mezzanine. stop whining and buy a ticket.

My only question is that did you read my first post? If you did, then you might be the "fucking retard."

[Fisherman]

Is the Pope Catholic?

[cryfreedmb41]

Originally Posted by ant_marching41

Good, we agree on that.

You were gloating though. Maybe you didnt mean it that way, but with the way you worded it, you were being very smug about it. "Maybe its because" is a very smug choice of words, and I read it that way, and i dont see any other way to interpret that.

Bottom line, it doesnt matter how any of us choose to word our angry letters. Nothing will change.

Ahhh see it was supposed to be interpreted like "i dont know, maybe...." like uncertainty of why I feel it was inappropriate to write a little like that. Not smug at all

[hotniks160]

Originally Posted by BOTRNewmusic

ebay has about 40 auctions available right now....all scalpers.

how does an entire fanbase get shut out of a show, yet scalpers ALL have tickets...

because the warehouse really does not work that hard for the 45 we give them every year. Solution? INCREASE THE MONTHLY CHARGE it would cause people to drop their membership, but hey, if it guaranteed me tickets to everyshow i requested, I'd be down to pay extra membership fees. make it a first come first serve request thing too..whatduayll think?

[tedies]

Originally Posted by hotniks160

because the warehouse really does not work that hard for the 45 we give them every year. Solution? INCREASE THE MONTHLY CHARGE it would cause people to drop their membership, but hey, if it guaranteed me tickets to everyshow i requested, I'd be down to pay extra membership fees. make it a first come first serve request thing too..whatduayll think?

And its $35

[spoot388]

Originally Posted by hotniks160

because the warehouse really does not work that hard for the 45 we give them every year. Solution? INCREASE THE MONTHLY CHARGE it would cause people to drop their membership, but hey, if it guaranteed me tickets to everyshow i requested, I'd be down to pay extra membership fees. make it a first come first serve request thing too..whatduayll think?

The real solution would be to have all tickets picked up at the box office of the venue right before you walk in. Whether you get them through the WH or TM, all tickets picked up at the venue. That would get rid of ppl buying WH tickets and reselling them on ebay, and the ticket brokers wont be able to have the tickets either. For those who sell their tickets to fellow Ants, either meet at the venue, or call the venue to inform them of the change that someone else, who you are allowing to pick up the tickets, is taking them.

[HolyCow]

Originally Posted by BOTRNewmusic

ebay has about 40 auctions available right now....all scalpers.

how does an entire fanbase get shut out of a show, yet scalpers ALL have tickets...

I hate scalpers. Something is very, very wrong with the system.

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

It's like the scalpers work for ticketmaster... and they pretend to sell tickets for 40 bucks and then suddenly they're charging people 200 bucks through scalpers. And they probably work for the government

[DvMatthewsBnd]

so i think a lot of the problem is where the seats go before tm and the warehouse...i work for a company in MA and there are about 40 tickets or so available for purchase/give away for the dave and tim umass show, multiply that by lots of corporations and you get a large amount of tickets that go to people who are not warehouse members or ticketmaster hopefuls, the warehouse does the best they can and ticketmaster sells whats left, this really comes to a head when a show like dave and tim comes around where there are such a small amount...

i got shut out of all the d+t shows in '03 and bought a single on tm the morning of the show 20 rows from he stage...if you want to get into the show youll find a way

we're spoiled on the east coast with dave anyways

[cryfreedmb41]

Originally Posted by DvMatthewsBnd

so i think a lot of the problem is where the seats go before tm and the warehouse...i work for a company in MA and there are about 40 tickets or so available for purchase/give away for the dave and tim umass show, multiply that by lots of corporations and you get a large amount of tickets that go to people who are not warehouse members or ticketmaster hopefuls, the warehouse does the best they can and ticketmaster sells whats left, this really comes to a head when a show like dave and tim comes around where there are such a small amount...

i got shut out of all the d+t shows in '03 and bought a single on tm the morning of the show 20 rows from he stage...if you want to get into the show youll find a way

we're spoiled on the east coast with dave anyways

How does that happen? Are they tickets that are left over from a radio station giveaway lets say, or does TM hang on to some?

[Sami22782]

Originally Posted by JonnyJoyRidin

IT'S A DISGRACE AND EVERYONE TURNS A BLIND EYE TO THE BIGGER PICTURE GOING ON HERE!!! YOU KNOW THESE FORMER TICKETMASTER EMPLOYEES & SCALPERS HAVE WAYS TO GET INTO THE SYSTEM BEFORE US. THEY THEN GOBBLE THEM UP AND SELL THEM FOR ASTRONOMICAL PRICES THAT THE EVERYDAY FAN CAN'T AFFORD!!! MAYBE IF MY DADDY WAS RICH HE COULD BUY ME TICKETS FOR 7G'S EACH!!! OR MAYBE IF I WORKED FOR CORPORATE AMERICA AND SAT ON MY ASS ALL DAY AND DID COKE WHILE I CHEATED AMERICA I COULD GET A PAIR WITHOUT THE CLICK OF A MOUSE!! THIS IS JUST UNFAIR!!!!

TWO BIG FUCKING THUMBS DOWN FOR DMB TO ASSOCIATE THEMSELVE'S WITH THIS CORPORATE CORRUPTION!!!!


Congrats to those who got them!! I hope to see you there if I can get a true fan to sell them to me for the right price.

Here in Australia, buying and reselling tix on ebay was recently outlawed. A lot of people had their tickets cancelled for the Ashes Test (cricket) last year. Perhaps the government needs to look at the problem, and change some laws.

And yes, congrats on those who got them! Have a good time.

[DTRM30]

Originally Posted by tmorry326 http://antsmarching.org/forum/images...s/viewpost.gif
How does Stub Hub do this legally? I'm sure it's been explained before but I've never heard.

And, yes, ticketmaster is the suckbox.

Originally Posted by dmb41carter36

Laws about Re-selling tickets are generally regulated by each state. For example, in PA, it's illegal to re-sell or buy any ticket online for more that 2x the face value.

Places like stub hub and other brokers get around the scalping / re-selling rules by charging face value for the ticket - and the rest of the charges are "handling" fees so technically - the ticket isn't being sold over face value.
People who sell privately off of e-bay are another story. But again, can get around the issue if on the invoice they do the same thing as the brokers do ... give a breakdown of the costs - stating face value for the ticket and the rest are convenience / handling / shipping fees.

[Jpikr005]

join the warehouse

[DTRM30]

Originally Posted by spoot388

I really don't care how "professional" I am. They want to hear my opinion, they're gonna get my opinion. They're screwing us over, they deserve a real punsihment. You don't like the bus? How about castrating them with a table saw? I'd settle for that.

Just FYI for those who don't know - stub hub isn't a direct broker - they are just a third party selling site - similar to e-bay - only not an auction. People list the tickets for sale on the site and the people who actually have the tickets set the price - not stub hub. Stub hub takes a commission on the final selling price and arranges the shipping. So you can't bitch to stub hub about the prices because they aren't setting the prices ...
but, there are a lot of actual "brokers" who I'm sure use stub hub to market their tickets - since stub hub is well known.

[yanks13142]

im in the WH and got declined and tried on TM too. I assumed i wouldnt get them on TM so im not that upset that i didnt get them, but i do agree that the scalpers are ridiculous. I do wish that DMB could do something like a presale other than the WH lottery. For example, Incubus just toured and played all small venues. If u bought their new album, u got a code for a presale on ticketmaster. I got tickets that way. then when they went onsale to the public they were impossible just like these. I'll keep tryin for D+T but not get my hopes up haha.

[spoot388]

Originally Posted by yanks13142

im in the WH and got declined and tried on TM too. I assumed i wouldnt get them on TM so im not that upset that i didnt get them, but i do agree that the scalpers are ridiculous. I do wish that DMB could do something like a presale other than the WH lottery. For example, Incubus just toured and played all small venues. If u bought their new album, u got a code for a presale on ticketmaster. I got tickets that way. then when they went onsale to the public they were impossible just like these. I'll keep tryin for D+T but not get my hopes up haha.

But at least it was their actual fans that got the tickets. And the prices weren't jacked up to the point where normal people couldnt afford them. The radio stations and companies that get them, I bet most people that get tickets through there barely even know who DMB is. Anything outside of Ants and Crash they have no clue about.

[DvMatthewsBnd]

Originally Posted by cryfreedmb41

How does that happen? Are they tickets that are left over from a radio station giveaway lets say, or does TM hang on to some?

there are just a certain amount that are allotted to us for most every concert, and i assume there are the same everywhere...i think they are direct from the venue, its like a corporate sponsorship type thing, kind of the same way companies have sporting event tickets

[DTRM30]

someone on here mentioned a good point that a lot of us don't seem to think about - and it's not so much that the brokers have deals with TM - because I'm sure they do, but ... so do a lot of LARGE corporations as well as radio stations and such - that I'm sure TM and the venues both have contracts for seating. That adds up to a lot of tickets that are "pre-sold" via contracts with venues. Sucks for those of us who are just trying to get a ticket ...

[Sniper15]

FUCK YOU TICKETMASTER! Seriously though some people should write to congress and make some noise on this issue because TM and scalpers seriously screw over fans of every major sports team, every musician, etc. It is a flawed system that needs to be fixed. There has to be a way to makes the current system better. I don't beleive in any of this corporate bullshit eiether, fuck the people who work for the sponsors, if they want to get a ticket they can get one just like the rest of us.

[hotniks160]

Originally Posted by tedies

And its $35

ok so you wOULD NOT PAY more money to guarantee tix to RCMH?

Originally Posted by spoot388

The real solution would be to have all tickets picked up at the box office of the venue right before you walk in. Whether you get them through the WH or TM, all tickets picked up at the venue. That would get rid of ppl buying WH tickets and reselling them on ebay, and the ticket brokers wont be able to have the tickets either. For those who sell their tickets to fellow Ants, either meet at the venue, or call the venue to inform them of the change that someone else, who you are allowing to pick up the tickets, is taking them.

now that is true, but you still have the problem of forgery. also, Not everyone uses their own credit card to buy tickets. TAKE Benco for example, his mom buys his tickets