An honest opinion: DMB not even close to the same band without Voyd

[dreamer689]

As crucial as Boyd was to DMB in the 90s and early 00s maybe, I think it's been a decade - or more - since Boyd's been all that integral to more than a few songs per night.

I think they sound better without him live. I do miss his energetic solos a bit but they make up for it with the improved musicianship to me. Buddy, Jeff, Tim, and Rashawn are all much better musicians and soloists than Boyd.

[snake911]

Originally Posted by dreamer689

As crucial as Boyd was to DMB in the 90s and early 00s maybe, I think it's been a decade - or more - since Boyd's been all that integral to more than a few songs per night.

I think they sound better without him live. I do miss his energetic solos a bit but they make up for it with the improved musicianship to me. Buddy, Jeff, Tim, and Rashawn are all much better musicians and soloists than Boyd.

I'm with you on that. At Tahoe the sound of Ants without the violin in the breakdown towards the end threw me off, but I kept listening and Rashawn/Jeff/Tim/Buddy kept taking turns soloing that built up into a big group free jazz-ish jam and it was so great that I turned to my wife and said "well fuck it, if its going to be like this I don't really miss Boyd". He was great, if pretty formulaic, on some classic songs (LIOG, Billies, etc...). but overall, I think they sound better, Tim/Rashawn/Jeff aren't overplaying as much, and the jams/solos are better with the current line-up. I know its currently en-vouge to hate on Jimi Thing around here, but Jimi thing at Tahoe was excellent with masterful solos all around.

[corpse41]

Over 50 shows since 97 and I didn’t go to my hometown show this year. (Riverbend in Cincy) I heard it was bad. My brother said Warehouse without Boyd was just wrong. Boyd just cannot be replaced. He’s a one of a kind. I see dmb dissolving into mostly Dave and Tim in years to come sadly. They had a hell off a run though. I heard a concert on Sirius and it sounded awful.

[ExistenceNow]

Originally Posted by corpse41

Over 50 shows since 97 and I didn’t go to my hometown show this year. (Riverbend in Cincy) I heard it was bad. My brother said Warehouse without Boyd was just wrong. Boyd just cannot be replaced. He’s a one of a kind. I see dmb dissolving into mostly Dave and Tim in years to come sadly. They had a hell off a run though. I heard a concert on Sirius and it sounded awful.

Boyd cannot be replaced by an organ.



I think a competent violin player would replace him quite nicely.

[TwoStep2888]

Originally Posted by dreamer689

As crucial as Boyd was to DMB in the 90s and early 00s maybe, I think it's been a decade - or more - since Boyd's been all that integral to more than a few songs per night.

I think they sound better without him live. I do miss his energetic solos a bit but they make up for it with the improved musicianship to me. Buddy, Jeff, Tim, and Rashawn are all much better musicians and soloists than Boyd.

[bigstogs]

Originally Posted by corpse41

Over 50 shows since 97 and I didn’t go to my hometown show this year. (Riverbend in Cincy) I heard it was bad. My brother said Warehouse without Boyd was just wrong. Boyd just cannot be replaced. He’s a one of a kind. I see dmb dissolving into mostly Dave and Tim in years to come sadly. They had a hell off a run though. I heard a concert on Sirius and it sounded awful.

Well first off Boyd is not one of a kind. He is a mediocre fiddle/violin player to begin with. Most of his playing is extremely repetitive and didn’t really add mush more than what was recorded on the studio track. Perhaps if he did more improv solos I could be with you there.

Most the concerts sounded horrible on Sirius because of the feed we got. Just the soundboard with no mastering or producing is a tough listen. You just get every on stage at nearly the same levels. Not even close to how the sound love in the venues. Many of the tapers got better quality recordings and it shows after listening.

With the way the way they used a lot of old material on CT, I think they are going to come out with a few albums in the next couple of years.


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[DC Greg]

100% agree that the band's sound is severely lacking without the violin. I don't think they sound "great" or "the best they have in years". Even with Boyd's flaws, the sound was better with that instrument.

I don't think Buddy's style on the keys is a great fit with DMB to be honest. He's a great singer, and the keys are nice on some songs, but Butch's piano fit in much better with this band in my opinion.

I'm also probably done making trips to see the full band. I'm much more excited about more D&T tours in the future. I hope they go that direction.

[dewke]

Originally Posted by DC Greg

100% agree that the band's sound is severely lacking without the violin. I don't think they sound "great" or "the best they have in years". Even with Boyd's flaws, the sound was better with that instrument.

I think the rest of the band sounds great. Yes, they need a violin, but I am glad that they've toned Tim down substantially this year.

Originally Posted by DC Greg

I don't think Buddy's style on the keys is a great fit with DMB to be honest. He's a great singer, and the keys are nice on some songs, but Butch's piano fit in much better with this band in my opinion.

I liked Buddy and thought he grew into the role. His playing at the Gorge fit better than the show at Bristow. I'll give him another year before I make a final decision, but I'm still surprised they didn't go out with Butch. He would have fit in much faster.

Originally Posted by DC Greg

I'm also probably done making trips to see the full band. I'm much more excited about more D&T tours in the future. I hope they go that direction.

I'm not travelling to see them in any incarnation in the near future. The furthest I'm willing to go is C'ville and maybe VA Beach if our friends in Richmond decide to go.

[kelchlsm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBkGBHp8iuk

Didn't know where else to put this but ill put this here.

Get rid of Tim Reynolds completely in this band.

[ToySoldier#34]

I'm glad they are not even close to the same band they were with Voyd

[Hilly]

Originally Posted by kelchlsm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBkGBHp8iuk

Didn't know where else to put this but ill put this here.

Get rid of Tim Reynolds completely in this band.

This has nothing to do with Tim.

[pbroderi86]

Originally Posted by kelchlsm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBkGBHp8iuk

Didn't know where else to put this but ill put this here.

Get rid of Tim Reynolds completely in this band.

Oh now I can see how they took major risks at this show. Incredible intro to why I am!!

[tripeyedfish]

Originally Posted by edskin

And yes I do miss Boyd on certain songs. But the Ants I saw in Denver was probably the most I’ve enjoyed that song in 20 years. SO much better without Boyd.

I was there and enjoyed that ants too... however, I don’t see how an ants in 2018 could possibly be better than any previous years. Sounds empty. And honestly imo, Jeff and Rashawn sound like a trainwreck playing over each other

[wrhslax1996]

Originally Posted by ExistenceNow

Boyd cannot be replaced by an organ.



I think a competent violin player would replace him quite nicely.

I'm a little late, but I do agree with this completely.

[bigstogs]

I have been listening to the Live at The Gorge from 2002... after the first night of songs, I can truly say this band really isn’t missing anything with Boyd except for a few songs.

The biggest loss in sound is not having LeRoi anymore. He brought that mellow jazzy feel to each and every track. So soulful and giving just enough to not play over the others on stage.

Jeff is not a great fit for this band and he may be a bigger reason the sound has changed since LeRoi passed. They won’t ever be the same band moving forward, but perhaps a different sax player should be their starting point?


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[ExistenceNow]

Don't really agree with any of that except for that they'll never be the same band.

[DC Greg]

Broken record here: DMB needs a violin. The voyd was painfully evident in last night's show. They really haven't figured out how to fill it in. Not sure why they can't go get a violin player to at least do some of the classic fills. He/she doesn't have to be "the newest member of our family" the way they've immediately christened Buddy for whatever reason... just get a competent musician up there to do a few layers on a few songs that really need it.

Nancies, Warehouse, and Seek Up REALLY suffer without it. Rashawn was using this new mute to try and cover part of the violin line in Nancies: it sounded comically bad. Buddy's organ doesn't work to cover the fills or solos at all. Tim actually had a cool solo on Nancies that worked well, but a violin solo would still have been better.

Everyday and Grey street suffered to a lesser extent without it, and YNK would be stronger with a fiddle.

[pzamps210]

Originally Posted by bigstogs

I have been listening to the Live at The Gorge from 2002... after the first night of songs, I can truly say this band really isn’t missing anything with Boyd except for a few songs.

The biggest loss in sound is not having LeRoi anymore. He brought that mellow jazzy feel to each and every track. So soulful and giving just enough to not play over the others on stage.

Jeff is not a great fit for this band and he may be a bigger reason the sound has changed since LeRoi passed. They won’t ever be the same band moving forward, but perhaps a different sax player should be their starting point?


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I agree with your last paragraph. I’ve been saying it for year and years. It was beautiful with just Roi on a sax. Now they are a horn section playing sheet music. HUGE difference

[chadizzy1]

Voyd still not filled. #sad

[Dave&Tim41]

Buddy is amazing and a really positive addition to the band, as I think this is the tightest the band has been in years. That being said, they would sound their best since '04 if they added a really good violinist. Imagine a LIOG violin solo with a violinist who knew how to play more than 5 notes in a solo?

[dontdrink36]

Originally Posted by pzamps210

I agree with your last paragraph. I’ve been saying it for year and years. It was beautiful with just Roi on a sax. Now they are a horn section playing sheet music. HUGE difference

Jeff is phenomenal and we are lucky to have him carry on Roi's music. I can agree about the horn section to a degree though I like it for the most part. Jeff absolutely isnt the any part of any problem the band might have. If anything Jeff is criminally underutilized.

[grdfreak]

for those who dont know who Karen Briggs is check her out. Nasty violinist. Would love to see her with dmb even in a guest starring role, if Boyd never comes back. Shes already even performed with Carter and Jeff. Theres probably youtube videos of it from last year. (lets get a petition!!!lol jk but not really)

[grdfreak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyRf6xPgQWQ

Carter and Jeff killing it as well! (along with others)

[misschung]

Not a fan of the current lineup. The issues I had prior to the voyd were just exacerbated by it.

[acedmb]

Out of the 23 shows I’ve been to, I can honestly say some of my favorite shows were in 2018. I don’t really miss Boyd that much. I do think that a superior violin player along with Buddy would bring this band to some new heights though..