Black Panther (2018)

[UCFish]

If it has a solid hold today it will have the second highest 4 day total ever behind Force Awakens....that is pretty amazing.

[Slackdoodle]

Originally Posted by neumdogg

I also love that they did not make the one white guy in the movie a bumbling idiot.

I do hope everyone appreciates the mercy and extended olive branch in that gesture. They could have made both white characters paper-thin cartoons who die in stupid ways, and nobody could say a word against it.

[Slackdoodle]

Originally Posted by UCFish

If it has a solid hold today it will have the second highest 4 day total ever behind Force Awakens....that is pretty amazing.

I really think it's just beginning. A week from now there will be more stories about how unprecedented its performance is.

[junior94]

Originally Posted by neumdogg

Are you taking about Andy Serkis as well? Wasn’t really counting him because he was a villain. Plus he wasn’t even an idiot...just a maniac.

Actually, taking the movie as a whole, I think I do consider both Andy Serkis (Klaw) and Killmonger villains, almost even equally. It's just split right down the middle. I mean what did Jordan have, like, one sequence in the entire first half of the film? So I look at it like Serkis was first half villain, Jordan was second half.

[VanHorneDog]

OK So i saw it, dont want to spoil.

I got tickets, enjoyed it. There was great acting, there was cool effects, great back story and terrific costuming.

I cant really nit pick much about it. I will gladly watch it again when i get it on Bluray.

But, i cant stop to think. Man, nothing was special about it? Nothing was, wow i cant believe they did that? I dunno, i guess once you have seen one super hero movie you have seen them all? Good guy wins, bad guy dies or gets jailed or is just Loki?

Maybe i'm growing bored of the super hero genre?

Because, there was so much cool MCU story line in there, the race issues, the politics, its fantastic.

Maybe a little, oh fake the good guys death and he comes back, only one purple flower left, guy who is an outsider comes in and saves the day. Seems all kinda par for the course story wise.

That said, was happy with my $20 i spent on me and my wife. So... can i complain?

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[VanHorneDog]

Originally Posted by Slackdoodle

Saw it earlier today, and the hype isn't just hype. It's really great. Michael B. Jordan almost steals the show from Chadwick Boseman. But moreover--all of the women in this movie are just poetry in motion. Danai Gurira in particular.

As far as the action/entertainment value, that's solid too. Especially one chase scene early in the film, which was just an awesome ride.

That is the thing that stood out the most to me, the female acting. PHENOMENAL

[WidespreadMule3]

Originally Posted by VanHorneDog

OK So i saw it, dont want to spoil.

I got tickets, enjoyed it. There was great acting, there was cool effects, great back story and terrific costuming.

I cant really nit pick much about it. I will gladly watch it again when i get it on Bluray.

But, i cant stop to think. Man, nothing was special about it? Nothing was, wow i cant believe they did that? I dunno, i guess once you have seen one super hero movie you have seen them all? Good guy wins, bad guy dies or gets jailed or is just Loki?

Maybe i'm growing bored of the super hero genre?

Because, there was so much cool MCU story line in there, the race issues, the politics, its fantastic.

Maybe a little, oh fake the good guys death and he comes back, only one purple flower left, guy who is an outsider comes in and saves the day. Seems all kinda par for the course story wise.

That said, was happy with my $20 i spent on me and my wife. So... can i complain?

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I think this is what I meant by calling it anticlimactic.

[VanHorneDog]

Originally Posted by WidespreadMule3

I think this is what I meant by calling it anticlimactic.

Like, you knew what was going to happen.

I think they should have destroyed all of the flowers and left T'Challa without the power of the Black Panther to fight Kilmonger, it would have been more interesting. And instead of a battle of super powered super suited hero villian, a group effort to get it done would have been great like almost happened. It also would have setup an interesting dynamic in Avengers Infinity. Like they are regrowing the flowers but it will take years or something.

Or the dude who was the Gorilla guy takes it and wins and becomes the Black Panther temporarily until the next flower is grown. Something like that would have been more interesting. And T'Challa survives his wounds through another method.

Also, they shouldn't have killed Klaw. Unnecessary, they could have brought him alive and he escapes during the battle or something. I love reacquiring bad guys.

But, I dont work for Marvel...

It was a fantastic version of a standard super hero movie.

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[rconverse]

Originally Posted by Slackdoodle

I do hope everyone appreciates the mercy and extended olive branch in that gesture. They could have made both white characters paper-thin cartoons who die in stupid ways, and nobody could say a word against it.

Uhm...It's a movie. It's an average movie.

Edit: So was TFA. There's nothing groundbreaking about sci/fi, superhero movies, folks.

[UCFish]

Originally Posted by rconverse

Uhm...It's a movie. It's an average movie.

Edit: So was TFA. There's nothing groundbreaking about sci/fi, superhero movies, folks.

Ooohhh it's one of the I am too cool for Superhero Movie guys!

Seems like what this movie did is completely groundbreaking from a Hollywood standpoint.

I will take Deadlines opinion with an article literally calling it Groundbreaking over yours sorry.

http://deadline.com/2018/02/black-pa...er-1202295646/

[Slackdoodle]

Originally Posted by rconverse

Uhm...It's a movie. It's an average movie.

It's culture. And anything that moves the needle on culture is significant. Look how many people are viewing it, taking it in. Look how much money is getting handed over to experience it.

It's a movie, yeah. Popular entertainment.

Incidentally, if we were going by popularity--actual public sentiment--we wouldn't have the gas-bag president we do.

[DMBZeppelin]

Originally Posted by Slackdoodle

I do hope everyone appreciates the mercy and extended olive branch in that gesture. They could have made both white characters paper-thin cartoons who die in stupid ways, and nobody could say a word against it.

I mean do we really think Disney/Marvel was out to get white people?

[Slackdoodle]

Originally Posted by DMBZeppelin

I mean do we really think Disney/Marvel was out to get white people?

No, but Disney/Marvel couldn't do much to constrain Ryan Coogler's vision. The outrage and backlash would have been massive. And if he had wanted to make the white character a lazy stereotype who died pointlessly, he could have scripted the story that way.

But Coogler chose to let Freeman's character have a selfless moment of heroism in this story, when he really didn't have to do anything effectual to the plot whatsoever. He could have been a pointless side character with very little screen time.

Granted, Freeman's a plot device in this movie. Don't get that wrong. He's a tool for the important characters to further the bigger conversation. But he's not placed there like an insult or an example of toxic whiteness, and that's very cool of Coogler, to go that route.


...is what I was getting at.

[DMBZeppelin]

Originally Posted by Slackdoodle

No, but Disney/Marvel couldn't do much to constrain Ryan Coogler's vision. The outrage and backlash would have been massive. And if he had wanted to make the white character a lazy stereotype who died pointlessly, he could have scripted the story that way.

But Coogler chose to let Freeman's character have a selfless moment of heroism in this story, when he really didn't have to do anything effectual to the plot whatsoever. He could have been a pointless side character with very little screen time.

Granted, Freeman's a plot device in this movie. Don't get that wrong. He's a tool for the important characters to further the bigger conversation. But he's not placed there like an insult or an example of toxic whiteness, and that's very cool of Coogler, to go that route.


...is what I was getting at.

Well originally Coogler wanted to use Kraven and was told no.

Ross was already introduced in Civil War, and he’s going to appear in more movies. We first saw Klaw in Ultron. It wouldn’t be weird if they acted completely different from their previous movie?

I don’t believe Coogler had the freedom to do whatever he wanted with the characters. Edgar Wright had trouble working within the constraints of the MCU on Ant-Man, and so did Patty Jenkins on Thor 2 (years later she’d give us Wonder Woman). Both of them got canned, but have been very successful since.

[DMBstandUP1984]

I liked it. It reminded me of Lion King at times but I thought it was great.

[mthawk07]

Saw it tonight, it kicked ass. Females stole the show. Jordan and Serkis were great villains, and Boseman was born to play Black Panther. Plenty of well-timed humor, but not overdone like Ragnarok (although I still loved that film). I'm also convinced my cats at home have vibranium claws, but that's neither here nor there.

[Slackdoodle]

It's making strides toward the billion dollar mark.

[JRS1386]

It will probably be on top next weekend too. What do people think will knock it off, maybe Tomb Raider just because it will be at the month mark?

[Jake]

not only did I think it wasn't very good, but there's no damn way T'challa should be king. Killmonger beat him straight up. he didn't properly challenge for the crown.


that being said Killmonger is now my favorite Marvel villain.

[junior94]

This'll probably be a very unpopular opinion... it's not that I didn't like Killmonger as a villain, looking at his overall story, he's definitely one of the better MCU villains (unfortunately not a high bar to clear). and I think Michael B Jordan is a very capable actor, what my complaint is I think comes down to the nuts and bolts of the writing. Because a fair amount of his dialog, I thought it sounded, just, I'm not even sure the right word, just sort of plain. It made him SOUND more one dimensional and on the nose, even though I know by the plot progression he was more complex. I think Jordan did the best he could do with some fairly trite sounding dialog.
But, I've only seen it once, maybe it'll sink in different on a repeat viewing.

[JRS1386]

Originally Posted by Jake

not only did I think it wasn't very good, but there's no damn way T'challa should be king. Killmonger beat him straight up. he didn't properly challenge for the crown.


that being said Killmonger is now my favorite Marvel villain.

The trial ends when someone yields or dies. T’Challa did neither of those and that’s the plot device they wanted to use. Not saying I agree with it but that’s why he is still the rightful king

[mthawk07]

Originally Posted by Jake

not only did I think it wasn't very good, but there's no damn way T'challa should be king. Killmonger beat him straight up. he didn't properly challenge for the crown.


that being said Killmonger is now my favorite Marvel villain.

Well Killmonger is dead now, soooooo........

[JRS1386]

Originally Posted by mthawk07

Well Killmonger is dead now, soooooo........

He could be brought back with an infinity stone

[Jake]

Originally Posted by JRS1386

The trial ends when someone yields or dies. T’Challa did neither of those and that’s the plot device they wanted to use. Not saying I agree with it but that’s why he is still the rightful king

I'd like to look at the handbook on that one. He got thrown off a fucking waterfall.

[scrock25]

Brighton High School represent!!

[JRS1386]

Originally Posted by Jake

I'd like to look at the handbook on that one. He got thrown off a fucking waterfall.

I can't argue with you there

[junior94]

Originally Posted by Jake

I'd like to look at the handbook on that one. He got thrown off a fucking waterfall.

:Bane voice:
Then bring me his body!

[WidespreadMule3]

Originally Posted by Jake

not only did I think it wasn't very good, but there's no damn way T'challa should be king. Killmonger beat him straight up. he didn't properly challenge for the crown.


that being said Killmonger is now my favorite Marvel villain.

FINALLY someone else who didn't like the movie.

Originally Posted by junior94

This'll probably be a very unpopular opinion... it's not that I didn't like Killmonger as a villain, looking at his overall story, he's definitely one of the better MCU villains (unfortunately not a high bar to clear). and I think Michael B Jordan is a very capable actor, what my complaint is I think comes down to the nuts and bolts of the writing. Because a fair amount of his dialog, I thought it sounded, just, I'm not even sure the right word, just sort of plain. It made him SOUND more one dimensional and on the nose, even though I know by the plot progression he was more complex. I think Jordan did the best he could do with some fairly trite sounding dialog.
But, I've only seen it once, maybe it'll sink in different on a repeat viewing.

I agree with this. I like that his character a rationale for being the villain besides world domination and he was one of the more rounded villains in the MCU but his dialog was awful. He just felt like he was acting the whole time.

[Slackdoodle]

Originally Posted by WidespreadMule3

I like that his character a rationale for being the villain besides world domination

Except... his rationale was world domination. That's why he was the villain of the tale, and why he was tragic.

Killmonger had the right idea--Wakanda had failed global black culture by keeping themselves hidden and hording their strength, and that needed to change. But his solution was to use genocide and subjugation, to mete out a bloody revenge.

That isn't making a better future, it's just flipping the problem over and continuing with the same violence and injustice.

[thebridge15]

that's what I hated too. the villain had a point to begin with, but then also had to be the biggest asshole imaginable so you can safely root for the hero again