What would you want in the 25th Anniv. package of BTCS?

[misschung]

Didn't the UTTAD vinyl have a different version of Jimi Thing on it?

[misschung]

Also, I feel like what I'd like in an anniversary package of BTCS is another album as good as BTCS

[Robio]

When are these douche bags going to announce something?

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by misschung

Didn't the UTTAD vinyl have a different version of Jimi Thing on it?

It had an unfinished mix on it due to an incorrectly labeled tape.

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

UTTAD did get remastered for vinyl.

Well it was remastered for all formats as part of the 20th anniversary, not specifically for vinyl like the digital remastering for Red Rocks. You could buy the remastered UTTAD on CD. Odd the 24-bit option never showed up on places like HDTracks.

Originally Posted by dmbnut21

So, the other day I was pissed off because I wanted to listen to my record player and I wanted to listen to BTCS. I am not one of the few, the proud, that own that. I was seriously debating splurging to make it happen.

Just to confirm, I'm better off waiting (from a production stand point) for the 20XX version then buying the 1998 version.

Other question - will the 98 version go up in value, stay the same, or tank when the new version is released?

I don't own it either although I've previous had copies.

Yes you are better off saving your money for the reissue.

I think a sealed copy of the '98 version may well hold its value, but the market for it will shrink substantially.

[Cptn. Monkeyman]

doby, you seem certain this is still coming out at some point. Is this just a hunch, or are you sure it’s coming?

[dobyblue]

There will definitely be a new vinyl release of BTCS, I am fairly certain the release date is not yet set.

[drop2d]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

There will definitely be a new vinyl release of BTCS, I am fairly certain the release date is not yet set.

You think?

This place would be on fire if there was a release date. Even if it wasn't announced... someone around these parts would find out and this thread would be ablaze.

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

there will definitely be a new vinyl release of btcs, i am fairly certain the release date is not yet set.

2023....

[RSSR]

I would love to hear, as well as pretty much everyone here, why they couldn’t get this out on time in ‘18. They knew they were doing it after RTT, UTTAD, and Crash got vinyl releases. I think that would be an interesting read.

[TheLastPig]

remember when people were joking about this getting pushed back a couple years welp

[BTBaboon]

It is a shitty thing. I'm not saying we're "entitled" to it, because I'm sure it's only a matter of time before some make that claim, but to have hyped up "#BTCS20" and then do absolutely nothing to commemorate their best studio work AT ALL in the 20th anniversary year is pretty fucking bad. It furthers the narrative that the band/management can't do anything right, and it frustrates those who don't like what the band has become but would still be willing to drop money for a product like a 20th anniversary record.

If production issues aren't an issue, and there's no legal issue with Boyd stuff, then they're basically saying it wasn't that important to get this out for the 20th, and that they're fine having the 20th anniversary series end prior to their best album getting the remaster/reissue treatment. It's a weird stance to take, but it'd be the only one (outside of sheer incompetence) absent production/legal issues.

[TheLastPig]

Based on their track record, pretty safe to say its incompetence.

[RSSR]

I think I remember reading that the people here who hear things assure us the circumstances surrounding Boyd is NOT why this has been delayed. Beyond that, I'm confounded as to why or how unforeseen circumstances made them put off the release into '19. Are various levels of procrastination involved here?

[nick997k]

Originally Posted by dmbnut21

I've debated that... it is still "rare". But it was the only way to listen to BTCS on vinyl which made it really valuable. Now, it will be "rare" but I will be able to pick up a copy for $40 and listen to it. So then it is a rare copy of something widely available.

That being said, I don't know how Vinyl works. Maybe it will still be just as valuable just because it is the original?

To me (personally) it becomes worth less. I think it would be cool to have a 1998 copy but I would be willing to pay a lot less for it if there is a 20XX version readily available. Not everyone may feel that way though.

I think it depends on whether the anniversary production will be identical to the original, in terms of weight (grams), and packaging. If there are noticeable differences in both, I think that the original will hold some (not all) of its value.

[AlexK79]

Originally Posted by nick997k

I think it depends on whether the anniversary production will be identical to the original, in terms of weight (grams), and packaging. If there are noticeable differences in both, I think that the original will hold some (not all) of its value.

The original vinyl is just the CD master cut to vinyl. It isn't going to sound any better than the original CD version of the album that we all have. Its value lies in its rarity and as a collector's piece.

The reissue will presumably be, like Crash before it, remastered from the original analog tapes using a 100% analog chain and a much more dynamic mastering. It should, if done well and using the Crash vinyl as a benchmark, sound miles and miles better than the original vinyl.

The original would still have value as a collector's piece due to its rarity, but as Doby pointed out the demand will greatly lessen due to a sonically superior version being widely available at a far lower cost for those who are looking for the best sounding version of the album.

[nick997k]

Originally Posted by AlexK79

The original vinyl is just the CD master cut to vinyl. It isn't going to sound any better than the original CD version of the album that we all have. Its value lies in its rarity and as a collector's piece.

The reissue will presumably be, like Crash before it, remastered from the original analog tapes using a 100% analog chain and a much more dynamic mastering. It should, if done well and using the Crash vinyl as a benchmark, sound miles and miles better than the original vinyl.

The original would still have value as a collector's piece due to its rarity, but as Doby pointed out the demand will greatly lessen due to a sonically superior version being widely available at a far lower cost for those who are looking for the best sounding version of the album.

I'm just curious, how do you know the original vinyl is the CD master cut to vinyl and not from the analog tapes?

[bowa36]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

Fuck no, Pearl Jam vinyl is awful.

concept and content is something dmb needs to learn from

[RSSR]

Originally Posted by nick997k

I'm just curious, how do you know the original vinyl is the CD master cut to vinyl and not from the analog tapes?

Our ears to the inner workings of this band's decision makers are telling us this anniversary rerelease of BTCS on vinyl will blow the original BTCS vinyl out of the water.

[eggsrsweet]

Yeah, I've mentioned this in the thread before but I wonder how many people REALLY care about a really good vinyl that's remastered from the analog tapes. I would love it myself.

But I really do think more people, including me, are most looking forward to seeing what kind of extra goodies we get with this. The unheard studio cuts? '98 LT bundled w/ release? It would be disappointing if we got none of that especially after waiting all this time.

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by nick997k

I'm just curious, how do you know the original vinyl is the CD master cut to vinyl and not from the analog tapes?

It's part assumption, part listening observations. The assumption part has to do with it being a 1998 release (during the "dark days" of vinyl) and that era largely being digital for what little vinyl did come out. It was cut at Sterling, which I don't think was cutting from tape at the time, and Ted Jensen is the only mastering credit listed (I don't believe he cuts from tape).

It also does not sound as if it had been cut from tape.

Originally Posted by bowa36

concept and content is something dmb needs to learn from

The concept of throwing poor masters onto wax, having them pressed at bad plants, and throwing them out into the market? No thanks.

I think DMB does fine on content. We have 5 LTs, 4 DMB Live shows, 2 major releases, and studio work from R2T through Crash, plus some 7" here and there. There's offerings for DMB, D&T, and Dave Solo. I think the content part is more than fine for DMB.

Originally Posted by eggsrsweet

The unheard studio cuts? '98 LT bundled w/ release?

I'd love that too, but it just seems like a pipedream.

'98 live set, on the other hand, is more reasonable.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

If production issues aren't an issue, and there's no legal issue with Boyd stuff, then they're basically saying it wasn't that important to get this out for the 20th, and that they're fine having the 20th anniversary series end prior to their best album getting the remaster/reissue treatment. It's a weird stance to take, but it'd be the only one (outside of sheer incompetence) absent production/legal issues.

If we look at the Sony Legacy releases, they started with Remember Two Things on the 21st anniversary and the press release just noted (https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...278681471.html) it was the first time on vinyl, the PR for Red Rocks celebrated the 10th anniversary of RSD rather than the 20th anniversary of the release (https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300427044.html), Luther College was on the 18th anniversary and the official Sony press release for Crash called out the 25th anniversary of the band (https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300283726.html) not the 20th anniversary of the release. If all Sony releases to date had called out the 20th I think it would be a more valid complaint, currently I think it ignores signs that those releases were just coincidentally timed vs part of a grand plan to follow the original schedule 20 years later.

Originally Posted by nick997k

I'm just curious, how do you know the original vinyl is the CD master cut to vinyl and not from the analog tapes?

It's definitely not AAA because it was done at Sterling Sound in 1998 and doesn't have George Marino's sig on it, who was the only guy cutting from tape back then. The only assumption that makes sense is it was cut from the CD master as 24-bit digital was still very much in its infancy and barely anyone cared about vinyl.

[snake911]

Originally Posted by eggsrsweet

Yeah, I've mentioned this in the thread before but I wonder how many people REALLY care about a really good vinyl that's remastered from the analog tapes. I would love it myself.

But I really do think more people, including me, are most looking forward to seeing what kind of extra goodies we get with this. The unheard studio cuts? '98 LT bundled w/ release? It would be disappointing if we got none of that especially after waiting all this time.

That's the only part I care about. I want BTCS done exactly like Crash, black discs and everything. Other extras are fine, but for me more out takes and unused songs are that way for a reason, they arent as good. I might listen to them once or twice and then never again. Crash I play all the time, BTCS would be the same.

[bowa36]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

It's part assumption, part listening observations. The assumption part has to do with it being a 1998 release (during the "dark days" of vinyl) and that era largely being digital for what little vinyl did come out. It was cut at Sterling, which I don't think was cutting from tape at the time, and Ted Jensen is the only mastering credit listed (I don't believe he cuts from tape).

It also does not sound as if it had been cut from tape.



The concept of throwing poor masters onto wax, having them pressed at bad plants, and throwing them out into the market? No thanks.

I think DMB does fine on content. We have 5 LTs, 4 DMB Live shows, 2 major releases, and studio work from R2T through Crash, plus some 7" here and there. There's offerings for DMB, D&T, and Dave Solo. I think the content part is more than fine for DMB.



I'd love that too, but it just seems like a pipedream.

'98 live set, on the other hand, is more reasonable.

no. the principle concept of a good reissue. not the specific minute details of the example i was giving

[misschung]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

It is a shitty thing. I'm not saying we're "entitled" to it, because I'm sure it's only a matter of time before some make that claim, but to have hyped up "#BTCS20" and then do absolutely nothing to commemorate their best studio work AT ALL in the 20th anniversary year is pretty fucking bad. It furthers the narrative that the band/management can't do anything right, and it frustrates those who don't like what the band has become but would still be willing to drop money for a product like a 20th anniversary record.

If production issues aren't an issue, and there's no legal issue with Boyd stuff, then they're basically saying it wasn't that important to get this out for the 20th, and that they're fine having the 20th anniversary series end prior to their best album getting the remaster/reissue treatment. It's a weird stance to take, but it'd be the only one (outside of sheer incompetence) absent production/legal issues.

You're right - that is odd that they would advertise that and then just drop it. I agree with all of what you said.

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by bowa36

no. the principle concept of a good reissue. not the specific minute details of the example i was giving

I guess I'm confused. Pearl Jam's reissues are absolutely horrible.

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

The official Sony press release for Crash called out the 25th anniversary of the band

The hype sticker did specifically note the 20th anniversary though. I think UTTAD was also touted as a 20th anniversary as well.

I'm not saying they have to stick to 20th anniversaries for the studio albums. It just seemed odd for them to hype up #BTCS20 all over social media, and then just go silent on it and have nothing come of that. If they want to wait for the 25th, that's fine, but the promotion for the album's anniversary seemed to set up a release that has not (as of yet) materialized.

I had one source say production issues, but others say that isn't the case. I've heard that it was on order sheets as far back as Q2 of 2018 as well. But who knows. The bottom line is it just seems like this is a longer wait than most would have thought, and there's been radio silence about it since last spring from the band's social media, which would make me think we have a while to wait.

[bowa36]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

I guess I'm confused. Pearl Jam's reissues are absolutely horrible.

oh okay then, i liked them

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by bowa36

oh okay then, i liked them

I mean if availability is the goal, they're okay.

But looking at Ten as an example, the recent pressing is a digital remaster from 16-bit DAT. Run times are also WAY too long. Sound quality is horribly sacrificed on that one, but that's not unique to just Ten. It's an across the board issue in my experience with the few I've listened to (Ten - both the 2017 and 2014 versions, Vitalogy, Vs, and Yield).

We talk about Pearl Jam in the vinyl collectors thread as "loving the *idea* of vinyl" but not being so great on the execution part.

[snake911]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

The hype sticker did specifically note the 20th anniversary though. I think UTTAD was also touted as a 20th anniversary as well.

I'm not saying they have to stick to 20th anniversaries for the studio albums. It just seemed odd for them to hype up #BTCS20 all over social media, and then just go silent on it and have nothing come of that. If they want to wait for the 25th, that's fine, but the promotion for the album's anniversary seemed to set up a release that has not (as of yet) materialized.

I had one source say production issues, but others say that isn't the case. I've heard that it was on order sheets as far back as Q2 of 2018 as well. But who knows. The bottom line is it just seems like this is a longer wait than most would have thought, and there's been radio silence about it since last spring from the band's social media, which would make me think we have a while to wait.

I keep my social media to a minimum, did they really hype it up that much? I remember the #BTCS20 thing on IG, I think the day of the actual 20th anniversary, but I don't recall them implying that something was being done about it, just that BTCS had turned 20.

[TheStone91]

Originally Posted by snake911

I keep my social media to a minimum, did they really hype it up that much? I remember the #BTCS20 thing on IG, I think the day of the actual 20th anniversary, but I don't recall them implying that something was being done about it, just that BTCS had turned 20.

^This. I know they tweeted about MacHead and made a few more posts, but they weren’t doing the #BTCS20 thing too often from what I remember. You might be on to something in saying those posts were meant only to celebrate BTCS turning 20.