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Old 06-06-2019, 10:25 AM   #151831
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I make no claims at being anything close to an expert in psychology, but the materials I've read indicate that rehabilitation for pedophiles is essentially impossible and that the goal is suppression/risk-reduction
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    Other states allow castration too. Should be standard, imo
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    Old 06-06-2019, 10:32 AM   #151833
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    If they're in prison for life, how does castration really impact anything? Like they're not able to jerk off in jail?
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    Old 06-06-2019, 10:38 AM   #151834
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    Pedophiles dont deserve to be in our society anymore, but the state should never have the right to mutilate people regardless of what they have done.
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    Old 06-06-2019, 10:39 AM   #151835
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    I could maybe be convinced for people who are repeat offenders but I don’t know, def seems like cruel and unusual punishment
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    Old 06-06-2019, 10:40 AM   #151836
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    I make no claims at being anything close to an expert in psychology, but the materials I've read indicate that rehabilitation for pedophiles is essentially impossible and that the goal is suppression/risk-reduction
    The scientific community is slowly moving towards it not being a choice insofar as that homosexuality isn’t a choice. It’s just hardwired and who these people are attracted to.

    Problem is that in one case you’re talking about something that’s taking place between consenting adults and no harm is being caused and the other, well...

    Sheena has been to a few seminars/training events where some accredited experts spoke about this very thing. It’s just hard for people to wrap their heads around that it’s like a non-controllable thing.
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    Old 06-06-2019, 10:40 AM   #151837
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    This is some "let's cut off the thief's hands" medieval shit and I'm not about it.
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    Old 06-06-2019, 10:40 AM   #151838
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    Pedophiles dont deserve to be in our society anymore, but the state should never have the right to mutilate people regardless of what they have done.
    Thats silly. Their dick is a weapon and pedophiles are always a danger to society as long as they’re able to use their dick.
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    Old 06-06-2019, 10:42 AM   #151839
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    Thats silly. Their dick is a weapon and pedophiles are always a danger to society as long as they’re able to use their dick.
    Yeah, except you know, when they're in prison for life...
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    Old 06-06-2019, 10:43 AM   #151840
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    Also, I'm pretty sure pedophiles don't need their dick to do harm.
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    Old 06-06-2019, 10:46 AM   #151841
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    Yeah, except you know, when they're in prison for life...
    They’re not always in jail for life? Why would people ha e to register as sex offenders if theyre not a threat?
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    Old 06-06-2019, 10:48 AM   #151842
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    Also, I'm pretty sure pedophiles don't need their dick to do harm.
    Don't even need to have a dick
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    Old 06-06-2019, 10:51 AM   #151843
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    They’re not always in jail for life? Why would people ha e to register as sex offenders if theyre not a threat?
    sex offender =/= convicted pedo


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    Old 06-06-2019, 10:51 AM   #151844
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    This is some "let's cut off the thief's hands" medieval shit and I'm not about it.
    I guessed this argument was coming and I disagree to an extent.

    I just think there's certain crimes that if you decide to be an animal and purposefully utterly strip someone of their humanity, you don't deserve yours. And yes, I fully understand that this is barbaric and against things we stand for, yada yada, but at a point I don't really care. I really just don't.

    And yes, there's obviously going to be nuance in cases like anything else, but just for the sake of argument, things like rape, pedophilia, premeditated murder, those are all things beyond deserving even an ounce of humanity back, IMO.

    Like I hate drunk drivers with a fiery passion, and could probably easily argue that was a choice and they deserve something bad too, but the humanity in me does also understand it was an unintended accident, so the normal course of action suits me. But something done on purpose, like certain instances of the above...fuck you, you don't deserve jail.

    I'm not an eye for an eye for every crime, like theft. So that's a bad slippery slope argument. These are people completely and utterly ruining people's lives. They don't deserve to be treated one iota better.
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    Old 06-06-2019, 11:00 AM   #151845
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    I guessed this argument was coming and I disagree to an extent.

    I just think there's certain crimes that if you decide to be an animal and purposefully utterly strip someone of their humanity, you don't deserve yours. And yes, I fully understand that this is barbaric and against things we stand for, yada yada, but at a point I don't really care. I really just don't.

    And yes, there's obviously going to be nuance in cases like anything else, but just for the sake of argument, things like rape, pedophilia, premeditated murder, those are all things beyond deserving even an ounce of humanity back, IMO.

    Like I hate drunk drivers with a fiery passion, and could probably easily argue that was a choice and they deserve something bad too, but the humanity in me does also understand it was an unintended accident, so the normal course of action suits me. But something done on purpose, like certain instances of the above...fuck you, you don't deserve jail.

    I'm not an eye for an eye for every crime, like theft. So that's a bad slippery slope argument. These are people completely and utterly ruining people's lives. They don't deserve to be treated one iota better.
    I think it's hypocritical.

    If what they did was awful, what does that make us as a society if we're willing to do brutal things to them?

    It's an argument I make against capital punishment — "Murder is wrong and to prove how wrong it is we're going to kill you."
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    Does castration take away sexual urges? Can castrated people still be sexually/mentally satisfied in some way without reaching orgasm?

    Does castration solve the problem of stopping pedophiles from raping children?
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    Old 06-06-2019, 11:05 AM   #151847
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    I think the goal should be stopping pedophiles from committing pedophiliac acts. Not sure castration is the best way to do that and is also likely a cruel and unusual punishment.
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    Old 06-06-2019, 11:09 AM   #151848
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    I think it's hypocritical.

    If what they did was awful, what does that make us as a society if we're willing to do brutal things to them?

    It's an argument I make against capital punishment — "Murder is wrong and to prove how wrong it is we're going to kill you."
    In theory I'm not really going to disagree with you, but it won't change my mind for some specific cases.

    But also, I don't think it's any more or less hypocritical than the argument that shitting on bigots is itself bigoted. There's a level of sheer apathy towards another human life that is beyond simple criminal justice.
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    Old 06-06-2019, 11:40 AM   #151849
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    Okay, so I think we need to back up a bit and deep dive on this a bit and understand what chemcial castration is. I personally don't not have a great understanding of it, so I looked it up, and it seems as though there's a lot of misconceptions.

    From Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_castration

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    Chemical castration is castration via anaphrodisiac drugs, whether to reduce libido and sexual activity, to treat cancer, or otherwise. Unlike surgical castration, where the gonads are removed through an incision in the body,[1] chemical castration does not remove organs, nor is it a form of sterilization.[2] Chemical castration is generally considered reversible when treatment is discontinued, although permanent effects in body chemistry can sometimes be seen, as in the case of bone density loss increasing with length of use of DMPA.

    In May 2016, The New York Times reported that a number of countries use chemical castration on sex offenders, often in return for reduced sentences
    So it appears A) it is reversible B) is certainly not mutilation of any kind C) reduces libido but does not sterilize D) is used elsewhere in the world in exchange for reduced prison.

    Not sure that changes minds, but it's definitely different than what the word "castration" conjures in one's head.
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    Old 06-06-2019, 11:45 AM   #151850
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    So its not some Theon Greyjoy type stuff?
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    Old 06-06-2019, 11:54 AM   #151851
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    Wait, did people think the bill was chopping dicks off?

    I assumed people knew at the very least chemical castration wasn't that...
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    I didn't necessarily know it was reversible but then again, teasing that out, did I think it was just like you swallow a pill then your nuts shrivel up and fall off? apparently I did I guess
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    So its not some Theon Greyjoy type stuff?
    Really stepping on a few people's happy that it's not.

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    Does castration take away sexual urges? Can castrated people still be sexually/mentally satisfied in some way without reaching orgasm?

    Does castration solve the problem of stopping pedophiles from raping children?
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    I think the goal should be stopping pedophiles from committing pedophiliac acts. Not sure castration is the best way to do that and is also likely a cruel and unusual punishment.


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    Wait, did people think the bill was chopping dicks off?

    I assumed people knew at the very least chemical castration wasn't that...
    I didn't think it was about separting willy from the wonkas, but I didn't know everything that BTB posted, particularly about it being (somewhat) reversible.
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    Okay, so I think we need to back up a bit and deep dive on this a bit and understand what chemcial castration is. I personally don't not have a great understanding of it, so I looked it up, and it seems as though there's a lot of misconceptions.

    From Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_castration



    So it appears A) it is reversible B) is certainly not mutilation of any kind C) reduces libido but does not sterilize D) is used elsewhere in the world in exchange for reduced prison.

    Not sure that changes minds, but it's definitely different than what the word "castration" conjures in one's head.
    Egg on my face. I had no idea.

    Honestly thought it was using chemicals to disfigure the genitals. I'm so dumb.
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    Wait, did people think the bill was chopping dicks off?

    I assumed people knew at the very least chemical castration wasn't that...
    My assumption was that it was, in effect, sterilization that also had effects on libido. But that doesn't appear to be the case.
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    Old 06-06-2019, 12:01 PM   #151856
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    I think I might be pro if what baboon posted is what is proposed
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    Old 06-06-2019, 12:02 PM   #151857
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    My assumption was that it was, in effect, sterilization that also had effects on libido. But that doesn't appear to be the case.
    Ok, yea, that's basically where I as at...essentially sterilization or lessened drive via drugs

    Didn't realize it was reversible. But just making sure people didn't think it was lopping some body parts off
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    In our defense, the name does sort of indicate it would be way more than just a libido suppression
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    Old 06-06-2019, 12:18 PM   #151859
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    I still don't love it? But I'm a lot less THIS IS AN OUTRAGE than I was.
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    Old 06-06-2019, 12:20 PM   #151860
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    Example: https://nypost.com/2019/06/06/monste...-his-daughter/

    Life in jail is not enough for this fuck.
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