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Old 03-11-2019, 01:07 PM   #135331
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Yeah, Drakan is right. All of those are programs run on some level of socialism.

Which is fine! If it serves a public benefit, do that!
Wait, but what does the Constitution say about that?

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to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;
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    Paid family leave is terrible. Big government Republicanism
    What are you in favor of happening?
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    Old 03-11-2019, 01:08 PM   #135333
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    Paid family leave is terrible. Big government Republicanism
    Socialism?
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    Old 03-11-2019, 01:08 PM   #135334
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    Cutting medicare and medicaid is the right thing to do. Bad if you want to win re-election though. Americans love them some gubmint
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    What are you in favor of happening?
    Something something bootstraps?
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    Old 03-11-2019, 01:11 PM   #135336
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    Cutting medicare and medicaid is the right thing to do. Bad if you want to win re-election though. Americans love them some gubmint
    Trump promised everyone would get health insurance and he promised he wouldn't cut medicare and medicaid.
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    What are you in favor of happening?
    Nothing.
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    Old 03-11-2019, 01:16 PM   #135338
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    Nothing.
    And nobody will die due to lack of health insurance?
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    Old 03-11-2019, 01:16 PM   #135339
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    Nothing.
    So a family has a baby, the wife is expected to stay home and care for the baby with no money coming in from her job and no promise of the job when she is ready to work again?
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    Old 03-11-2019, 01:25 PM   #135340
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    So a family has a baby, the wife is expected to stay home and care for the baby with no money coming in from her job and no promise of the job when she is ready to work again?
    Adulting is hard
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    Old 03-11-2019, 01:36 PM   #135341
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    Adulting is hard
    Very thoughtful answer. Spoken like a single, millennial that doesn't have a clue about having a family, raising kids, etc. The "I got mine, fuck you" attitude.

    Let's go with your scenario:
    1. Why would any company hire females? They're just gonna have babies and the company will have to keep rehiring and retraining people. We can cut off the middle (wo)man and just hire men.
    2. It's discriminating against females.
    3. Do you think this would cause a decline in couples having babies?

    During pregnancy: Better take care of that baby in there and don't even think about having an abortion.
    After birth: Stay home and raise the baby, but hopefully you didn't like your job, cause guess what, it's gone. I hope your husband can make enough to support the three of you, and has great insurance that covers everything.

    You live in a sad little bubble devoid of empathy.
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    Old 03-11-2019, 01:38 PM   #135342
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    What are you in favor of happening?
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    Nothing.


    The most on-brand Shotgun response EVER.

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    Old 03-11-2019, 01:45 PM   #135343
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    "the market will take care of it"

    If you don't like that a company doesn't do x, don't shop there.
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    Old 03-11-2019, 01:47 PM   #135344
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    Nevermind the people who live on a shoestring budget so they can't as easily pick and choose where they get their stuff based on "soft" factors like whether a company offers paid time off.
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    Old 03-11-2019, 01:49 PM   #135345
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    Democratic, since we vote for our leaders and they control these things.
    That's not an answer to the question. "Democratic" isn't an economic system, it's a political one.

    Are you saying there's no such thing as socialized medicine in countries where the citizens elect their leaders through the democratic process?

    I think you're confused.

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    And in America, it's harder! Yay us!
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    Old 03-11-2019, 01:50 PM   #135346
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    Nevermind the people who live on a shoestring budget so they can't as easily pick and choose where they get their stuff based on "soft" factors like whether a company offers paid time off.
    Shotty's complete and utter disdain for poor/lower class people comes through my computer screen like a thick fog I could cut with a knife, so his answer to this will be apathy at best, bootstraps or don't have kids at worst.
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    Old 03-11-2019, 01:51 PM   #135347
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    Medicare for all has to be polling better than cutting Medicare, right?

    But again, no discussion of the extreme republican party.
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    Old 03-11-2019, 01:51 PM   #135348
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    You live in a sad little bubble devoid of empathy.
    sums up shotty pretty well.
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    Old 03-11-2019, 01:54 PM   #135349
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    He builds homes for charity!
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    Old 03-11-2019, 01:57 PM   #135350
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    That's not an answer to the question. "Democratic" isn't an economic system, it's a political one.

    Are you saying there's no such thing as socialized medicine in countries where the citizens elect their leaders through the democratic process?

    I think you're confused.



    And in America, it's harder! Yay us!
    Ask a question that doesn’t make sense and get an answer like the same.

    Guess what? Socialized medicine isn’t socialism either. Do the people own the hospitals and ambulance and doctors?

    I think we are suffering from a serious lack of common definitions in this discussion.
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    Old 03-11-2019, 01:57 PM   #135351
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    Pelosi comes out against impeaching President Trump:

    "I don’t think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he’s just not worth it." - WaPo
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    Guess what? Socialized medicine isn’t socialism either. Do the people own the hospitals and ambulance and doctors?
    In the quiet words of Sean Connery from the Celebrity Jeopardy skits when he mistook The Pen Is Mightier for The Penis Mightier, "I don't care what you call it, Trebek. I only care if it works."
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    Old 03-11-2019, 02:00 PM   #135353
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    Pelosi comes out against impeaching President Trump:

    "I don’t think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he’s just not worth it." - WaPo
    As has already been pointed out here and duly ridiculed by the chamber I’ll just add.
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    In the quiet words of Sean Connery from the Celebrity Jeopardy skits when he mistook The Pen Is Mightier for The Penis Mightier, "I don't care what you call it, Trebek. I only care if it works."
    Awesome skit.

    And it’s no secret I’m down with universal healthcare. Just not socialism.
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    Old 03-11-2019, 02:02 PM   #135355
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    "he's just not worth it." Perfect. Absolutely perfect.
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    Old 03-11-2019, 02:03 PM   #135356
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    1) As I’ve said before, Americans don’t truly appreciate the actual costs of these welfare programs because we don’t pay the taxes needed to actually pay for them. If some of the posters here who advocate for them so much suddenly had to pay 50-60% of their income in taxes for things they wouldn’t use much (like they do in some of the nordic countries) I have a feeling attitudes may change. Real easy to want more when the government can just pay for it on credit or you can convince yourself everything can be paid for by soaking billionaires in taxes.

    2) The whole “muh bootstraps” vs. “muh empathy” discussion is so tiring. Life is never that black and white. Are there people who have bad things happen to them that cause them to be poor? Yes. Are there also people who are poor because they’re lazy and make bad life choices? Yes, a lot of them.
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    As has already been pointed out here and duly ridiculed by the chamber I’ll just add.
    Fake News. Was not duly ridiculed. Half the reason the chamber gets the chamber nickname is because people lie about how much us libs agree on stuff.

    I have never thought Trump would be impeached, nor have I even wanted it to be approached unless there was some absolutely smoking gun about collusion or something.

    So I agree with Pelosi.

    EDIT: Cazzie agrees, as well, it seems.

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    Cutting medicare and medicaid is the right thing to do. Bad if you want to win re-election though. Americans love them some gubmint
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    2) The whole “muh bootstraps” vs. “muh empathy” discussion is so tiring. Life is never that black and white. Are there people who have bad things happen to them that cause them to be poor? Yes. Are there also people who are poor because they’re lazy and make bad life choices? Yes, a lot of them.
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    Fake News. Was not duly ridiculed. Half the reason the chamber gets the chamber nickname is because people lie about how much us libs agree on stuff.

    I have never thought Trump would be impeached, nor have I even wanted it to be approached unless there was some absolutely smoking gun about collusion or something.

    So I agree with Pelosi.

    EDIT: Cazzie agrees, as well, it seems.
    We didn’t exactly take a vote and I’m no BT that can scour old posts really quickly to find out. Perhaps you were simply silent on th matter when others were so gung ho. Let the record be reflected.

    I don’t consider Caz as part of the chamber.
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    Are Nordic countries mad/sad about their government?
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