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Old 10-14-2021, 07:52 AM   #10081
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2021 has been a better overall tour than 2019 bc of the consistency of better songs being played more often.

Don’t need to wait any more years to figure that out for myself.

Listened to nearly every show and dissected them in 2019, and have done the same this year. 2021 wins in band performance/sound and set lists.
Nailed it.

Pig was a mainstay every 2-3 shows it felt like, multiple Stone and What You Are plays.

Bummer Ants and Two Step (not surprised) were rarities this tour. Overall, fantastic tour IMO.
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    2021 has been a better overall tour than 2019 bc of the consistency of better songs being played more often.

    Don’t need to wait any more years to figure that out for myself.

    Listened to nearly every show and dissected them in 2019, and have done the same this year. 2021 wins in band performance/sound and set lists.
    Bruce is correct.

    Song selection and song frequency are key, and 2021 tops 2019 in that aspect.

    But, the band also is having a blast, and there's a lot of energy, which makes a big difference as well.

    But 2021 is doing quite well, I look forward to a good LT from this year next year.
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    Old 10-14-2021, 12:45 PM   #10083
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    Telling people that years down the road our feelings about shows will be different is something


    Yeah Bartender has always been your favorite song and you got it at SPAC but just wait three years, you'll see, it's less enjoyable when there's a Shake Me closer three hours later!

    Sadly, been around long enough to see certain people be elated about shows and eras they now bash pretty easily here.
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    Old 10-14-2021, 12:45 PM   #10084
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    Interested what shows up in Columbus after the break. Banger set list or nice and easy nothing fancy to get back? Halloween on 11.5?
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    Dang, was in top 10 all tour and these last shows killed me, bringing me to 16.
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    Old 10-14-2021, 01:24 PM   #10086
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    I saw 10 shows in 2019 and 11 in 2021... I liked 2021 better even though I got a ton of songs I wanted in 2019 as well. Buddy is just bringing it now... he sounds so good on the violin parts. Big fan.

    It's a shame only 6 shows are left, I wish they'd add like 10 more arena dates. The live shows are phenomenal right now.
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    Old 10-14-2021, 11:16 PM   #10087
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    I wish they’d add a show this fall at the new arena in Seattle, especially since the PNW didn’t get an actual full band show on this tour.
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    Old 10-15-2021, 04:26 AM   #10088
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    Everyone put your tin foil hats on, but the only free Fri/Sat weekend at JPJ is NYE
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    Everyone put your tin foil hats on, but the only free Fri/Sat weekend at JPJ is NYE
    Tour ends after MSG. They looked at additional dates but decided against it. Don't see them coming back till Spring/ early Summer.
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    You had a realistic shot of hearing everything on the big 4 this summer, with the exception of

    Let You Down
    Cry Freedom
    The Last Stop
    Spoon
    Dreaming Tree
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    Kit Kat Jam
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    and despite what people think, all those songs SHOULD be rare. There is something very cool when a Dreaming Tree or a Spoon pop up every few years. The setlist nerd in me loves rarity.

    That's not that much when you think about it.
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    Old 10-16-2021, 10:09 AM   #10091
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    You had a realistic shot of hearing everything on the big 4 this summer, with the exception of

    Let You Down
    Cry Freedom
    The Last Stop
    Spoon
    Dreaming Tree
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    Kit Kat Jam
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    and despite what people think, all those songs SHOULD be rare. There is something very cool when a Dreaming Tree or a Spoon pop up every few years. The setlist nerd in me loves rarity.

    That's not that much when you think about it.
    Completely disagree on the "SHOULD be rare" part. Following along every setlist? Sure, it's cool when a rare gem pops up.

    But if I'm going to SPAC and they play Dreaming Tree, PFWYG, Spoon and Let You Down -- I will not enjoy those songs even .000001% less just because they had already played them 10 times at other venues on that tour. The band playing gems at shows that I'm not at will never make me enjoy those songs less when they're played at shows I am at. Such a strange take, IMO.
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    Completely disagree on the "SHOULD be rare" part. Following along every setlist? Sure, it's cool when a rare gem pops up.

    But if I'm going to SPAC and they play Dreaming Tree, PFWYG, Spoon and Let You Down -- I will not enjoy those songs even .000001% less just because they had already played them 10 times at other venues on that tour. The band playing gems at shows that I'm not at will never make me enjoy those songs less when they're played at shows I am at. Such a strange take, IMO.


    I believe a small niche part of their catalogue should be rare...that doesn't mean I would complain about them being played 10 times. Those are all great songs. I'm just acknowledging that a very small part of their audience wants those songs.
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    No song should be rare. When you’re a professional musician, there’s no excuse
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    No song should be rare. When you’re a professional musician, there’s no excuse
    Cmon Nick. They have close to a 200 song catalogue. Every touring band on earth has rare live songs. DMB is far from perfect, but they do a great job IMO playing a diverse collection of their discography.
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    Old 10-16-2021, 08:04 PM   #10095
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    No song should be rare. When you’re a professional musician, there’s no excuse

    There's probably 25 or more songs that you and most other people here would prefer to be rare
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    There are great rare songs as well as pretty bad rare songs.

    Be Yourself and Plastic Girl would be rare liberations
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    No song should be rare!!


    Longs for all of their worst songs
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    Old 10-17-2021, 08:24 AM   #10098
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    Rarity doesn't matter too much. Good to see at least a few people admitting that they give songs bonus points because of rarity. That is a common ants denial that 100% happens.

    What we really need is a large enough song selection to have great sets that don't all end up looking the same to make each show a unique experience. The one variable we can't quite tie down is Dave's decision to continue to write sets that look the same like he has in '21
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    Can't quite tie down why Dave writes sets full of great songs, very frustrating to see great songs repeated at shows we are not at, ruins it in person
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    Old 10-17-2021, 12:20 PM   #10100
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    They have enough great songs to switch it up and keep doing what they are doing... part of the enjoyment of a dmb show is you don't know whats being played next. For the setlist watchers and live stream watchers nothing takes you out of a show quite like when you know what's coming because you've seen it several times already this tour.

    What Toysolider is saying is fine if you go to one show a year and don't look at a single setlist or watch a stream of a show. I would be willing to bet a small % of this site hasn't done either of those things in addition to the shows they go to.
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    Old 10-17-2021, 12:27 PM   #10101
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    What Toysolider is saying is fine if you go to one show a year and don't look at a single setlist or watch a stream of a show. I would be willing to bet a small % of this site hasn't done either of those things in addition to the shows they go to.
    I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said here but in the last bit, this website is a small minority of the total fan base who in large part probably don’t really follow sets closely every night like the regular posters in this thread. Which is why I don’t think Dave cares as much. Does that justify it? I dunno but the fact that 90% of the venue leaves satisfied no matter what I think explains it.
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    Old 10-17-2021, 05:56 PM   #10102
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    I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said here but in the last bit, this website is a small minority of the total fan base who in large part probably don’t really follow sets closely every night like the regular posters in this thread. Which is why I don’t think Dave cares as much. Does that justify it? I dunno but the fact that 90% of the venue leaves satisfied no matter what I think explains it.
    Yeah thats the bottom line is ultimately most people are happy. However I also believe Dave is aware of the hard-core fan base exists and it would be so easy to throw us a bone too. Something as small as doing a segue different, different songs in different slots, etc would still add cool stuff to make a show unique for hard-core fans and the mainstream fan base is none the wiser.
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    If I had gone to Deer Creek, Tampa, WPB and Gorge in addition to SPAC N2 I'd be very happy this year.
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    Went to 10 shows this year. Irvine N2, both SPAC shows and Denver both shows were fantastic (minus the awful run in n2 Colorado).

    Also, PNC is arguably the worst show set wise I have ever been to.
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    If I had gone to Deer Creek, Tampa, WPB and Gorge in addition to SPAC N2 I'd be very happy this year.
    You'd have seen Tripping Billies as the opener multiple times, stay as the set closer multiple times, Sister & Singing from the Windows E1 3 times each, AATW/Shake me/DDTW would have comprised 5 of the encores, Bayou/Everyday were the song before set closer 5 times... The predictability goes on.

    I did Deer Creek and ended up adding Milwaukee. When they started Everyday and I said in my head "okay now they maybe play another song then Grey Street closer" and sure enough that's what happened... That is just one additional stop (no other context from tour needed) AND in the same region as said two night stand and uses the same setlist formula.

    But hey different strokes for different folks. Some people go and see bands that play the same set everynight... DMB is scarily close to being one of those bands...
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    Just playing Warehouse way too many times at shows we aren't at these days
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    The active users on Ants make up and extremely small percentage of an extremely small percentage of the DMB fanbase. Dave doesn't cater to us nor should he. The sets this year have been really good for the most part. I was extremely satisfied with my 3 shows to start the tour. Sure the setlist game or chatting in the tour thread during shows might not be as exciting as we want it to be or as it perhaps once was but that isn't why the band plays shows.

    Current DMB isn't for every hardcore old fan and that is okay. I still very much enjoy my shows and checking the set the next morning to see if anything interesting popped up that is worthy of me listening to the tape.
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    Just playing Warehouse way too many times at shows we aren't at these days
    This would be a perfect song to switch up into different slots more. A song I'd take literally every show I go to. If you gonna try to strawman me at least respond to the proper argument I'm making. # of plays has NOTHING to do with the point I'm making.

    http://dmbalmanac.com/SongChecklist.aspx?tid=8164

    Check out these three things on the almanac song chart:

    1 - Tripping Billies - this is an example of a song that has been rotated well. Lots of different spots it can pop up. Keeps the set exciting.

    2 - Grey Street/Singing from the Windows - These two are exactly what's wrong. If you are seeing Singing from the Windows there is a 90% chance you are watching a Dave solo E1. First strum of Grey Street towards end of set and you pretty much know it's the set closer. Yikes.

    3 - Warehouse - This song could be played the exact same number of times as it is now. If it popped up in a few more different slots rather than consistently midset then we are golden.

    You find 10 classic DMB songs that have already been played this tour anyways and rotate them and none would have been played in same slot more than 3-4 times at this point in tour.
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    .... for you, not for me, not for the majority of the audience
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    Old 10-18-2021, 11:39 AM   #10110
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    When we are wondering where the stagnation came from and how we got there hopefully we remember to look here for the answers.
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