New Can't Stop vs. Old Can't Stop

[drop2d]

Don't care much for Can't Stop but... I gotta say, that BOWA from that video sounds fucking amazing.

[jaymas9]

I think they both stink. But I always enjoy Carter, so gun to my head...I'll go with new.

[dre2142]

if it was JUST carter and everyone else was silent it would be ok

[BotheLaneFan]

Originally Posted by Tomacco

It doesn’t come after IOY on the album.

He didn’t say it did?

That said, IOY doesn’t come after it either.

[Cobo]

Terrible, always been that way. Lipstick on a pig and good lord, Ross is just awful for this band.

[Dannyyankou]

I like the effort to change the arrangement and bring more energy, but it sounds really forced.

[Mono]

Here's the thing about these kind of songs with simple, repetitive lyrics. These kind of songs work best when its just a dude and a guitar, almost in the way that folk songs work, or rootsy Americana music. Can't Stop, Smooth Rider, these work as campfire songs. Listen to Europe '07. That Can't Stop sounds great. Smooth Rider sounds great too. These kind of songs are actually "good" in that kind of setting. And when Dave writes them initially, that's what they are -- just dude and guitar songs -- and they inherently work delivered that way.

But when you try to incorporate a full band that's when the simple melodies and basic lyrics buckle under the pressure and the song folds into itself. Can't Stop full band is shit, no matter the version. Its simply not a song that can sustain a larger production. Some simple songs translate to full band (TGIY, Loving Wings) and some just don't. The trick is understanding which work and which don't and Dave doesn't seem to have a sense for this sometimes. Sister is a nice song, but it its nice because its what it should be. Now imagine Sister with a full band, horns, violin (rip), a complicated drumming pattern. It would be a shit show. Can't Stop became a bad song when it was forced to be something it isn't.

[BR#41]

Originally Posted by Mono

Here's the thing about these kind of songs with simple, repetitive lyrics. These kind of songs work best when its just a dude and a guitar, almost in the way that folk songs work, or rootsy Americana music. Can't Stop, Smooth Rider, these work as campfire songs. Listen to Europe '07. That Can't Stop sounds great. Smooth Rider sounds great too. These kind of songs are actually "good" in that kind of setting. And when Dave writes them initially, that's what they are -- just dude and guitar songs -- and they inherently work delivered that way.

But when you try to incorporate a full band that's when the simple melodies and basic lyrics buckle under the pressure and the song folds into itself. Can't Stop full band is shit, no matter the version. Its simply not a song that can sustain a larger production. Some simple songs translate to full band (TGIY, Loving Wings) and some just don't. The trick is understanding which work and which don't and Dave doesn't seem to have a sense for this sometimes. Sister is a nice song, but it its nice because its what it should be. Now imagine Sister with a full band, horns, violin (rip), a complicated drumming pattern. It would be a shit show. Can't Stop became a bad song when it was forced to be something it isn't.

I can be totally wrong, but given how bass-oriented this song is, it really feels like this was a Stefan's groove that turned into a full song. I know the song is credit to all five members + Batson, but someone had to come up with the riff, and it has a Stefanish quality to it - the approach to the riff holds some resemblance to Rapunzel and DT...

I completely agree with your point though, that many of what we consider "bad songs" are more "bad DMB songs" that translate very well when played solo.

[hmich176]

I liked this version of Can't Stop more than the past versions. I liked the horns and the added bridge, but I don't like the speed they played it at. Reminds me of when they play Shake Me too fast. Overall, I consider this live version a little bit better than the other versions of the song.

I anticipate there won't be as much of a horn presence on the studio version of Can't Stop.

[tim.ryan]

I loved the Fenway version, I kinda like this but the tempo is too fast

[RiotAct]

can’t believe it’s so lopsided in favor of the first two options. I thought it sounded too rushed last night, almost like someone put a 2006-2016 version on 2x speed setting.

[alec]

Originally Posted by Mono

Here's the thing about these kind of songs with simple, repetitive lyrics. These kind of songs work best when its just a dude and a guitar, almost in the way that folk songs work, or rootsy Americana music. Can't Stop, Smooth Rider, these work as campfire songs. Listen to Europe '07. That Can't Stop sounds great. Smooth Rider sounds great too. These kind of songs are actually "good" in that kind of setting. And when Dave writes them initially, that's what they are -- just dude and guitar songs -- and they inherently work delivered that way.

But when you try to incorporate a full band that's when the simple melodies and basic lyrics buckle under the pressure and the song folds into itself. Can't Stop full band is shit, no matter the version. Its simply not a song that can sustain a larger production. Some simple songs translate to full band (TGIY, Loving Wings) and some just don't. The trick is understanding which work and which don't and Dave doesn't seem to have a sense for this sometimes. Sister is a nice song, but it its nice because its what it should be. Now imagine Sister with a full band, horns, violin (rip), a complicated drumming pattern. It would be a shit show. Can't Stop became a bad song when it was forced to be something it isn't.

Stay Or Leave full band falls victim to this pretty strongly.

[dreamstree41]

The only thing CS had going for it was fun dynamics a la the Wrigley version. Now it's just a wall of sound

[bubba40]

I like this new version better. Props to the band for making it better

[KClaw]

Is the taper audio out yet for the new version of Can't Stop?

[culpn8r]

The only thing better about the new version is that it will occupy less time at shows.

[pogoslis]

not possible to be worse than the old one, considering its bottom 5 in their catalog. my vote is better

[pogoslis]

Originally Posted by culpn8r

The only thing better about the new version is that it will occupy less time at shows.

[Madnana]

I always secretly enjoyed this song. But, for me, what worked about the song was that it was a slow bluesy groove. Can't say I like the new version at all--just feels like they sucked the life out of it. I'll wait until I hear the album version to make my final judgment, but I definitely liked it better the way it was.

[chadizzy1]

Originally Posted by KClaw

Is the taper audio out yet for the new version of Can't Stop?

Here’s a rip of the taper stream:

https://www.antsmarching.org/forum/s...4&postcount=92

[KClaw]

Originally Posted by chadizzy1

Here’s a rip of the taper stream:

https://www.antsmarching.org/forum/s...4&postcount=92

Thanks Chad!

[yanks7533]

well the lyrics are still doodie/cheesie but if we had never heard this song ppl would think it's musically sound...definitely will sound great on the album

[adzack3441]

Originally Posted by Cobo

Terrible, always been that way. Lipstick on a pig and good lord, Ross is just awful for this band.

You listened to this and blamed Rashawn? Lol amazing. Carry on crazy

[Madnana]

Originally Posted by adzack3441

You listened to this and blamed Rashawn? Lol amazing. Carry on crazy

Some people will literally blame Rashawn for everything.

[beachball]

I love the new can’t stop.

The only version I liked was when he played it years ago solo on electric. It was amazing actually but I figured it was a one off kinda thing.. but this is basically a full band version of THAT solo version.


Never thought I’d say this but I am more than psyched this is on the album now.


Except for TGIY this album is shaping up to be at least pretty solid.

[gakm7]

Originally Posted by Mono

Here's the thing about these kind of songs with simple, repetitive lyrics. These kind of songs work best when its just a dude and a guitar, almost in the way that folk songs work, or rootsy Americana music. Can't Stop, Smooth Rider, these work as campfire songs. Listen to Europe '07. That Can't Stop sounds great. Smooth Rider sounds great too. These kind of songs are actually "good" in that kind of setting. And when Dave writes them initially, that's what they are -- just dude and guitar songs -- and they inherently work delivered that way.

Completely agree... Give Ray Wylie Hubbard a listen; he's the classic Americana "dude and a guitar" style musician, and he gets this groove like none other that you just can't help but enjoy, especially on his early 2000s and later work, but his 1990s work is really good too; just a different style.

[gakm7]

I voted "same as old" on the basis that I really enjoy both versions, although I will say that I do slightly prefer the slower bluesier version.

[Dodo36]

the new has an energy to it that the old one lacked. The old was cool for a run-through or two of the riff, but then it sort of just lumbered through until the end.

I'm hoping the album cut is the new version.

[alec]

Originally Posted by Dodo36

the new has an energy to it that the old one lacked. The old was cool for a run-through or two of the riff, but then it sort of just lumbered through until the end.

I'm hoping the album cut is the new version.

That would be some next level trolling. Add a song to the album that the vast majority of fans dislike, then bust out a new version of it that most people think is much better to get them excited, then put the old version on the album. PSYCH!

[Dodo36]

Originally Posted by alec

That would be some next level trolling. Add a song to the album that the vast majority of fans dislike, then bust out a new version of it that most people think is much better to get them excited, then put the old version on the album. PSYCH!

At this point, I put nothing past them... maybe they really have that And Kaufman sense of humor - as long as they find it funny. (I know they aren't actually approaching it like that, but YNK.)