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Old 07-17-2014, 01:31 PM   #361
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@SLessard travel all over & it's upsetting when you go to a show Friday in 1 place & then to a Saturday in another and hear 50% repeat
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    Luke Mangiapanello ‏@dmb1everyday 15m
    @SLessard travel all over & it's upsetting when you go to a show Friday in 1 place & then to a Saturday in another and hear 50% repeat
    If you go to two one-nighters in a row in different cities, you shouldn't be surprised or upset about hearing 50% repeats, imo. What evidence in the past 20 years of this band would make you think that this wouldn't happen?
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    Old 07-17-2014, 01:49 PM   #363
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    Did people complain in 2004 when the same 4 songs showed up at damn near every single show that whole tour? Because it's such a revered tour 10 years later. I realize they didn't have Stand Up, BW, or AFTW to draw from, but damn. Did people also complain when there were multiple repeats on a two or three night stand every tour up until 2010?

    I mean, I realize the irony of asking if people were complaining on this site, but it's a question that needs asking.
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    Old 07-17-2014, 01:50 PM   #364
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    I think everyone on this site forgets just a few years ago they had repeats at 2/3 night stands in the same city. They're not going to not play repeats in different cities.
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    Old 07-17-2014, 01:51 PM   #365
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    my reply to his tweet:

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    @SLessard Don't forget your older catalog. Most of the band's best stuff barely gets played. (Typical, BOWA, Pig, Stone, etc).
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    Old 07-17-2014, 01:53 PM   #366
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    @SLessard Don't forget your older catalog. Most of the band's best stuff barely gets played. (Typical, BOWA, Pig, Stone, etc).
    Most is stretch. Some is more accurate bc a lot of their best stuff is still played (ants, 2 step, 41, crush, rhyme, drive in, billies, recently etc)
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    Old 07-17-2014, 01:54 PM   #367
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    Most is stretch. Some is more accurate bc a lot of their best stuff is still played (ants, 2 step, 41, crush, rhyme, drive in, billies, recently etc)
    yeah, but you know what i'm getting at.
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    Old 07-17-2014, 01:59 PM   #368
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    cant believe how much he spends on clash of clans.. TWO INFERNO TOWERS?!?!?!?!
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    Old 07-17-2014, 02:00 PM   #369
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    Most is stretch. Some is more accurate bc a lot of their best stuff is still played (ants, 2 step, 41, crush, rhyme, drive in, billies, recently etc)
    but then again, there is a lot of their best stuff that isn't played/isn't played often and should be played MUCH more

    #40
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    Did people complain in 2004 when the same 4 songs showed up at damn near every single show that whole tour? Because it's such a revered tour 10 years later. I realize they didn't have Stand Up, BW, or AFTW to draw from, but damn. Did people also complain when there were multiple repeats on a two or three night stand every tour up until 2010?

    I mean, I realize the irony of asking if people were complaining on this site, but it's a question that needs asking.
    Not really, but that's because it was exciting to see those songs develop over the course of the summer. That was back when they would road test songs before they made it onto albums, so new songs would show up here and there, evolve for a little bit, then either stick around or disappear. Like Kill the Preacher last year.

    As for your second question, the repeats thing seems to have bubbled up recently, too. Probably as a result of the caravans, where they demonstrated the ability to do 3 nights with no repeats.
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    yeah, but you know what i'm getting at.
    Yeah I get it. I think most of our problem is the songs being repeated. Hardly anyone here would bitch if ants, 2 step, wwys, BOWA and ddtw were played every single stop on the tour. It's the songs like you & meh, save meh, seven, if only etc that get old night in and night out
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    Old 07-17-2014, 02:01 PM   #372
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    If you go to two one-nighters in a row in different cities, you shouldn't be surprised or upset about hearing 50% repeats, imo. What evidence in the past 20 years of this band would make you think that this wouldn't happen?
    When the shows are <3 hour drive apart, it's a very fair assumption you should not see the same show. Especially for a 'jamband'.
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    Old 07-17-2014, 02:03 PM   #373
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    but then again, there is a lot of their best stuff that isn't played/isn't played often and should be played MUCH more

    Beach Ball
    BOWA
    Broken Things
    Busted Stuff
    Captain
    Christmas Song
    Cry Freedom
    Pig
    Dreaming Tree
    Drunken Soldier
    Grace Is Gone
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    Idea of You
    JTR
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    Kit Kat Jam
    Last Stop
    Raven
    Rhyme & Reason
    Say Goodbye
    Shotgun
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    Stone
    Sweet Up and Down
    Typical Situation
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    No doubt the songs above should get 5-10 plays a summer(I edited a few out that would be buzzkill just like if only and some I don't particularly care for)
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    Old 07-17-2014, 02:16 PM   #374
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    When the shows are <3 hour drive apart, it's a very fair assumption you should not see the same show. Especially for a 'jamband'.
    I wasn't happy with 6 repeats from Blossom> Burgettstown back to back nights. Especially considering Burgettstown is used to getting 2 night stands. That's a bit too much. 2-3 songs I can understand.

    But with that said, Burgettstown was the best of the 4 shows I saw this summer including Chicago. That set had the best flow. Too many this year have had highs and low lows. I think of Chicago N2 bottoming out with Can't Stop with the LL
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    Old 07-17-2014, 02:22 PM   #375
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    When the shows are <3 hour drive apart, it's a very fair assumption you should not see the same show. Especially for a 'jamband'.
    No it's not. Not for this band. All the evidence suggests that there will be half a dozen repeats or more.
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    Old 07-17-2014, 02:35 PM   #376
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    No it's not. Not for this band. All the evidence suggests that there will be half a dozen repeats or more.
    I guess that sucks for everyone that goes to more than 2 shows a year. It wasn't like that always.
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    Old 07-17-2014, 02:43 PM   #377
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    In Dave's defense, Tampa only had 2 repeats from last year. Ants (in a new acoustic format) and Granny. I think it would be very difficult to avoid repeats from the previous night and the previous year at the same venue.
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    Old 07-17-2014, 02:50 PM   #378
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    I guess that sucks for everyone that goes to more than 2 shows a year. It wasn't like that always.

    Hence why people are no longer going to multiple shows a year. I certainly will not.
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    Old 07-17-2014, 02:54 PM   #379
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    In Dave's defense, Tampa only had 2 repeats from last year. Ants (in a new acoustic format) and Granny. I think it would be very difficult to avoid repeats from the previous night and the previous year at the same venue.
    previous night was ~25 songs. Previous year was ~20. That's 45 songs, and they've released some ~120. Leaves 75 songs that haven't been played the previous year or the previous night. Even if we allow a pass for the 5-10 that aren't bad repeats (#41, Ants, Two Step...) we're looking at 85 songs that could be played and still leave everybody happy.
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    Old 07-17-2014, 03:09 PM   #380
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    but then again, there is a lot of their best stuff that isn't played/isn't played often and should be played MUCH more

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    Broken Things
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    Crazy Easy
    Cry Freedom
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    Dreaming Tree
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    Fool To Think
    Grace Is Gone
    Halloween
    Hello Again
    Help Myself
    Idea of You
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    I've seen every one of those but KKJ and the majority are in the 1-3 seen range. Sickening
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    cant believe how much he spends on clash of clans.. TWO INFERNO TOWERS?!?!?!?!
    He definitely spends money on the game. He's only one level ahead of me, but his village is so much better than mine. Then again, what's $20 on gems to a millionaire?
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    Not really, but that's because it was exciting to see those songs develop over the course of the summer. That was back when they would road test songs before they made it onto albums, so new songs would show up here and there, evolve for a little bit, then either stick around or disappear. Like Kill the Preacher last year...
    Let's not act like Kill the Preacher spent anytime being evolved. Same with Blackjack before it. It doesn't seem like they're "road testing" anything anymore, just playing unfinished, incomplete pieces
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    Old 07-17-2014, 04:35 PM   #384
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    "I don't mind criticizing, wanting, critique, hopes, desires, it's all human emotion, and I like freedom, Go on and say what you please.."
    Overall this has sort of been a small section of a very large trend that has of course started decades ago and has continued through the increase in connectivity.
    Many musical artists and other artists have tended to use the internet including its social side as a way to promote and sometimes answer questions and so this became the norm.

    This has unfortunately put artists and the communities that form in response to their art in a very peculiar place of separation. We are all human and there are many ways in which we can all understand eachother, share, and embrace differences. It is just difficult for most artists because there are so many people in the communities and only a few of them! It is an intellectual and emotional endeavor to communicate with even one person who may be a stranger to you, about the art or about anything. Part of what makes it difficult of course is that for most artists it happens so infrequently, so there is less experience and ironing out of confusion for "both sides".

    Yet, it is still a very big missed opportunity and seemingly quite unintentional; I don't feel that musical artists ever set out to have as much distance from their communities as ended up happening. It will just take a bit more time.
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    Did people complain in 2004 when the same 4 songs showed up at damn near every single show that whole tour? Because it's such a revered tour 10 years later. I realize they didn't have Stand Up, BW, or AFTW to draw from, but damn. Did people also complain when there were multiple repeats on a two or three night stand every tour up until 2010?

    I mean, I realize the irony of asking if people were complaining on this site, but it's a question that needs asking.
    I loved it

    But in 2004 the band was 1000x better than they are now.
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    your thoughts on last nights show?
    If it were my only show I wouldn't have been upset but I wouldn't have wanted to see another show. The acoustic set wasn't as acoustic as the night before, if that makes sense. Boyd overall was not good, was great on Ants but out of tune and screeched most of the night. Both Dave and Boyd turned what could have been an amazing SeeK Up into a shit show. Minarets was cool acoustic, much better the night before though, electric. So Right was great as was Granny. I enjoyed drunken soldier and was excited to hear it, but musically it was missing something and they didn't jam it. Jeff was turned down most of the night as was Rashawn. Loved I'll back you up, and recently. And the repeat if Snow Outside I enjoyed. Out of my 39 shows it was definitely a bottom 5, if I hadn't seen the show the night before probably bottom 12.
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    Did people complain in 2004 when the same 4 songs showed up at damn near every single show that whole tour? Because it's such a revered tour 10 years later. I realize they didn't have Stand Up, BW, or AFTW to draw from, but damn. Did people also complain when there were multiple repeats on a two or three night stand every tour up until 2010?

    I mean, I realize the irony of asking if people were complaining on this site, but it's a question that needs asking.
    Yes, a lot of people did, myself included.
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    Eh I disagree on the Tampa show performance wise. Was a ton better than what I saw of the webcast. Dave's voice was fine (was terrible on Tuesday). Boyd was good enough.

    Middle of the road but much better than what I was expecting after the depressing webcast Tuesday...
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    As someone who saw both Jax and Tampa, setlist variety aside, which would you say was the better performance?
    Jacksonville, because they knew they were on TV. And it wasn't that great even then, but Dave's voice started to fail and they had to do damage control.

    Tampa: They phoned it in. And I was there.

    Dave needs vocal rest badly.

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