Dave Matthews Band officially cuts ties with Boyd

[krobinson_3232]

https://consequenceofsound.net/2018/...ws-band-split/

Boyd is "no longer a member of this band"

[UrsadonDMB]

Looks like a nail in the coffin. Will hold on to the memories but can't defend those actions if the allegations are true.

[SBSFC91]

Originally Posted by UrsadonDMB

Looks like a nail in the coffin. Will hold on to the memories but can't defend those actions if the allegations are true.

It's sad all the way around. It has been painfully obvious that he hasn't been into the music since LeRoi passed away.. Then throw in the possibility that he has been abusing up and coming musicians (abusing power).. Absolutely despicable.. I really hope it isn't true.. But I fear there is at least a kernel of truth in the allegations

[crashintonickdm]

Listen to all of these tapes from all those great years

Is it tarnished?

[onetwothree]

Nothing to do now but move on, for the band is it easier said then done, yes, but do your best.

[Seek#41Up]

Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

Listen to all of these tapes from all those great years

Is it tarnished?

It is going to be really hard to jam out to a rockin LIOG solo anytime soon. Tarnished is a great word to describe the affect this news will have on their music. It is just sad really. When the band gets into the HOF, there will be 2 of the 5 original members not on stage. Tarnished...yes! I am not sure if it will stop at that the more this digests.

[bibby1044]

Let's pump the breaks on saying they're tarnished and assuming things we can't possibly know. We really need to see how it plays out and go from there. I honestly miss the violin but not Boyd himself. I think they should replace the sound with a new person so we can all move on and start looking ahead instead of behind. This gives them even more incentive to replace him now instead of leaving a hole in the lineup.

[drop2d]

It's going to be very hard to believe that they "were not previously aware" if Boyd is not on the new album. I thought it was odd that they were in the studio recently still recording horn parts, etc. Maybe they were replacing his parts...

[grilldanmo]

Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

Listen to all of these tapes from all those great years

Is it tarnished?

It's a tough one.

I grew up with Cosby doing Picture Pages on Sesame Street. Fat Albert (and the Brown Hornet)... His special Himself was HUGE with all of my friends and the Cosby Show was one of those few shows we watched as a family.

His comedy and work were very ingrained in me and part of regular references and jokes I'd make. Now I don't, but only after near instantaneous process of thinking about the joke, remembering the source, being sad and disgusted, and not making the reference. Cosby's work is something I can no longer enjoy.

That said, at this time we cannot and should not conflate Boyd and the allegations in this lawsuit with the allegations and latest verdict against Cosby or similar vile degenerates. At this time they are extremely different levels within the process as well as a massively different levels of impropriety and legality/illegality.

Even if Boyd's found guilty of this single situation (and I'd view a settlement as some level of admission of guilt), it's not the same as literal sexual assault and rape. I think he'd have a hard settling though, because of the doors it would open for more victims to come forward looking for a pay day.

Shitty situation all around. 'Fucks wrong with people?

[Lee3691]

Why is this a new thread?

[Chilly Nelson]

Originally Posted by grilldanmo

It's a tough one.



Even if Boyd's found guilty of this single situation (and I'd view a settlement as some level of admission of guilt), it's not the same as literal sexual assault and rape. I think he'd have a hard settling though, because of the doors it would open for more victims to come forward looking for a pay day.

It is literally sexual assault. People stop acting like there were no laws broken. He assaulted dude by touching in his sleep. He demanded sexual favors as a superior.

This all makes me so sad. We have the day LeRoi passed. And we have yesterday. Damn

I'm glad the band released a statement and took a definitive step. I feel for the victims, and I also feel for Boyd. His sex addiction brought his whole world down.

"Soon we will all find ourselves swept away..."

[ajk316]

The article says the statement was released by the band, where was this statement released?


EDIT: saw a rep for the band made a comment for RollingStone

[Seek#41Up]

Originally Posted by bibby1044

Let's pump the breaks on saying they're tarnished and assuming things we can't possibly know. We really need to see how it plays out and go from there. I honestly miss the violin but not Boyd himself. I think they should replace the sound with a new person so we can all move on and start looking ahead instead of behind. This gives them even more incentive to replace him now instead of leaving a hole in the lineup.

I didn't say they were tarnished and I don't think that was what the other guy meant either but how is the music not tarnished? If you read that article and are a real fan of this band how does that not information not pop into your head the minute you hear the violin in a song.

[YouNeverKnow25]

It’s pretty easy. But I never idealized the band members, or sports stars, or other famous people as good people in the first place so maybe it’s harder for people who do. Maybe this will help those people stop doing that?

[Hahninator]

Originally Posted by Lee3691

Why is this a new thread?

Because a new article confirms DMB just fired a band member. That's pretty huge news.

[dmbclstj2]

Well his bio is still on the home page... I'm sure they will probably erase him in any possible way, sans previous recordings of course.

[GoingToCA91]

Wow. DMB was very quick with this, which I was not expecting at all from them.

[YouNeverKnow25]

I’d say they were quick to confirm he had been kicked out of the band.

[ForkInFork]

I'm not sure this statement means hes permanently out of the band, they seem to be clarifying that he was already not an active member, not that something has recenently changed in the past day or so.

The full quote from Rolling Stone seems to make that clearer “Though Boyd is no longer a member of the band, we are shocked by these disturbing allegations and we were not previously aware of them.”

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by GoingToCA91

Wow. DMB was very quick with this, which I was not expecting at all from them.

Quick, as in, let Boyd announce his departure months ago and were completely silent on it until now.

This was not a shock to the band. I urge those that think it was a surprise to reconsider and look at everything we know.

[jmkratt]

Originally Posted by Chilly Nelson

It is literally sexual assault. People stop acting like there were no laws broken. He assaulted dude by touching in his sleep. He demanded sexual favors as a superior.

This all makes me so sad. We have the day LeRoi passed. And we have yesterday. Damn

I'm glad the band released a statement and took a definitive step. I feel for the victims, and I also feel for Boyd. His sex addiction brought his whole world down.

"Soon we will all find ourselves swept away..."

Yeah. Boyd was his boss, people. That is not ok.

[Trippin4136]

Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

Listen to all of these tapes from all those great years

Is it tarnished?

Nope.

Then again, I haven't really been invested in the band for years.

[grilldanmo]

Originally Posted by Chilly Nelson

It is literally sexual assault. People stop acting like there were no laws broken. He assaulted dude by touching in his sleep. He demanded sexual favors as a superior.

This all makes me so sad. We have the day LeRoi passed. And we have yesterday. Damn

I'm glad the band released a statement and took a definitive step. I feel for the victims, and I also feel for Boyd. His sex addiction brought his whole world down.

"Soon we will all find ourselves swept away..."

Apologies you're right at the letter of the definition, but it is not rape being a very specific type of sexual assault and the most egregious variant.

But we also can't act like these allegations are undoubtedly true. There is the evidence of lurid and creepy behavior based on the texts, but the claims made are just that at this point. We don't actually know if any laws were broken at this time, just accusations made against Boyd claiming assault.

It is sad either way (meaning whether it is true or whether they are proven false). Nothing good comes of this. Even those tangentially "involved" will suffer...again regardless of how everything plays out.

[YouNeverKnow25]

Originally Posted by ForkInFork

I'm not sure this statement means hes permanently out of the band, they seem to be clarifying that he was already not an active member, not that something has recenently changed in the past day or so.

The full quote from Rolling Stone seems to make that clearer “Though Boyd is no longer a member of the band, we are shocked by these disturbing allegations and we were not previously aware of them.”

You’re reading the word “active” into it, and that word isn’t there. I don’t think it can be any more clear than “no longer a member of the band” that he is kicked out forever.

[YouNeverKnow25]

Don’t really understand the “well it wasn’t illegal so I’m gonna withhold judgment for now” mindset.

[Trippin4136]

Though all this Boyd news really brings more perspective to Dave's Vulture interview for me. That was a pretty dark interview, and now I'm sure at least part of Dave's mood is related to this.

[scrock25]

Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow25

You’re reading the word “active” into it, and that word isn’t there. I don’t think it can be any more clear than “no longer a member of the band” that he is kicked out forever.

[ForkInFork]

Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow25

You’re reading the word “active” into it, and that word isn’t there. I don’t think it can be any more clear than “no longer a member of the band” that he is kicked out forever.

Originally Posted by scrock25

I think its likely that hes gone for good, I just don't think that statement by the band seals it. To me the "though" seems that they are reflecting on something that has already come to pass (him taking a break from the band) and then saying despite that having already happened, they are still shocked to hear about the allegations. I imagine they will make a more formal, official statement in a day or so, or just remove him from the band's website.

[YouNeverKnow25]

The entire point of the “though” sentence is to say “we don’t even think about this guy anymore since he isn’t in the band, but now that you brought it up, those things he did sucks.”

It’s meant to add more distance between Boyd and the band, not less.

[grilldanmo]

Originally Posted by jmkratt

Yeah. Boyd was his boss, people. That is not ok.

That's not what makes it sexual assault though...that's not about power, despite many powerful committing various acts of sexual assault on subordinates.

Unfortunately, there are people that willingly enter into relationships with superiors with the intent of leveraging that relationship into some sort of benefit. Further, they can (and some have) claimed being a victim when their plans failed. Arguably that might be an aspect of the leverage, e.g.: I do this and I get A, B, and C OR I tell people you forced me, and I get A, B, C, and more. Hell, sometimes it shared affection and sometimes that goes bad and people want something in return.

Sadly, this remains a possibility as it relates to this case. Although historically less likely than Boyd being the aggressor/harasser/assaulter, it is still potentiality. Barring a risky settlement, we will likely hear more details that will reveal some version of the real truth regardless of direction. In the end, Boyd's pretty much done from a career perspective given the recent shift in societal views...not something from which he's likely to recover even if he were exonerated.

It is, however, unfair to instantly assume these allegations are true. Just as unfair as if we were to dismiss them off-hand. An accusation has been made and there is a process set in motion that will determine the accuracy. Hopefully the outcome of said process is in fact accurate and just.