General Discussion on Setlists as a Whole This Year

[rickyh24]

Pretending song quality is not a huge issue now is hilarious.

[kelchlsm]

Originally Posted by ExistenceNow

Have people been bitching about people discussing setlists on a discussion board since then as well?

https://antsmarching.org/forum/showt...t=2001+setlist

Not sure about the 90s,

But here is a thread created in 2003 with the OP bitching about people "discussing" setlists in 2003.

In 2003, maybe the best tour setlist wise from 2001-2018, and this issue seemed to be brought up

[ExistenceNow]

Originally Posted by kelchlsm

https://antsmarching.org/forum/showt...t=2001+setlist

Not sure about the 90s,

But here is a thread created in 2003 with the OP bitching about people "discussing" setlists in 2003.

In 2003, maybe the best tour setlist wise from 2001-2018, and this issue seemed to be brought up

Just cover up the time stamps/indicators and usernames and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between that thread and this one.

[rickyh24]

That thread has 14 total posts.

[tyler3440]

Some people have more post bitching about bitching in this thread then that entire thread. By far.

[kelchlsm]

Originally Posted by rickyh24

That thread has 14 total posts.

Do you really want me to keep looking for other threads about people bitching about the people discussing setlists that happened when this site just began?

It was a quick search and randomly pulled that one, but there are countless of threads from back then with people bitching about setlists, and in those threads people bitching about the other people bitching about the setlists still

Edit- heres another quick one for example

https://antsmarching.org/forum/showt...setlist&page=3

[rickyh24]

I really don’t care how much time you want to use searching for older threads. It’s not going to change anything.

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by tyler3440

Some people have more post bitching about bitching in this thread then that entire thread. By far.

People have been bitching about Ants closing shows since before you were born, now you can carry on the torch

[rickyh24]

At least people were arguing about which great songs were better then. Now we got shows full of half throw away songs. Those were the days.

[kelchlsm]

Originally Posted by rickyh24

I really don’t care how much time you want to use searching for older threads. It’s not going to change anything.

Youre right.

People will always bitch, and people will always complain about those bitching.

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by kelchlsm

Youre right.

People will always bitch, and people will always complain about those bitching.

My point before SPAC was that no matter what the band did people were going to complain, whether it went well or not, that's just reality

[kelchlsm]

Originally Posted by rickyh24

At least people were arguing about which great songs were better then. Now we got shows full of half throw away songs. Those were the days.

People were saying Two Step and Bartender could take a hike

[ExistenceNow]

Yea, but it came off as an excuse for mediocrity, which is a bad argument, IMO.

edit: ^^

[rickyh24]

Anyone notice a difference in regards to these two show flow screen shots from different years? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...896a7e4cb5.png

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...84dd3ce384.png

[kelchlsm]

Originally Posted by rickyh24

Anyone notice a difference in regards to these two show flow screen shots from different years? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...896a7e4cb5.png

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...84dd3ce384.png

Which is still proving, no matter how good setlists are- people are going to bitch

[rickyh24]

Originally Posted by kelchlsm

People were saying Two Step and Bartender could take a hike

Opinions man.

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by ExistenceNow

Yea, but it came off as an excuse for mediocrity, which is a bad argument, IMO.

edit: ^^

I wasn't arguing anything, there aren't two sides to it it's just a fact

[kelchlsm]

Just happy I got to see them in 2004

[rickyh24]

Originally Posted by kelchlsm

Which is still proving, no matter how good setlists are- people are going to bitch

Kind of proving something else too.

[rickyh24]

Originally Posted by kelchlsm

Just happy I got to see them in 2004

I think we all are. As the show flow screen shots show the shows are much shittier now. A watered down catalog will do that unfortunately.

[btpeters]

That's really fun what you're doing to try and sell your point. The show flow option/mentality didn't exist back in 2004. Most of those shows are being retroactively rated VS a tour that is being rated completely in the moment.

Hindsight is a neat thing. I'm sure people are a lot more friendly on their ratings of Crazy Easy, Hello Again, Sugar Will and Joyride in 2018 than they were during that time. Also, how many going back and rating those 2004 shows were around during that tour?

Not saying the 2018 tour is better than the 2004 one (Beauty is in the eye of the beholder), but that's not a fair way to compare them.

[Antiramie]

Originally Posted by rickyh24

I think we all are. As the show flow screen shots show the shows are much shittier now. A watered down catalog will do that unfortunately.

You can still have good setlists with a watered down catalog as long as the songs in between the weaker songs aren’t 95% radio hits, and you don’t set the tone of almost every show with buzzkill new songs.

[rickyh24]

Don’t really have to sell the “catalog is watered down” point much. If you don’t think those screen shots tell you anything then I’m not sure what to say.

[rickyh24]

Originally Posted by Antiramie

You can still have good setlists with a watered down catalog as long as the songs in between the weaker songs aren’t 95% radio hits, and you don’t set the tone of almost every show with buzzkill new songs.

Absolutely. See the new live trax. Just doesn’t happen often.

[btpeters]

Those screenshots tell me that a rating option on Ants.org (a place where everything that has happened in the past is always better) shows a tour that wasn't available to be rated with that system until many years after the fact is rated higher than the one currently going on (that are always complained about).

I'm not saying whether your watered down assessment is wrong or right, I'm saying using the show flow system to prove your point is a weak selling point.

[dontdrink36]

Originally Posted by rickyh24

Pretending song quality is not a huge issue now is hilarious.

It's the root cause issue. The songs from 2000 and earlier are just better as a whole as the songs 2001 to present. There are virtually no bad songs from thevesely career while there are more than a few subpar tunes since 2001. Sure, there are plenty of good/great newer tunes but it's not near the 100% average of the old songs.

I do think Dave does a pretty good job of mixing classic songs and newer in the sets. The issue is what stays in heavy rotation. The classics need to be swapped every couple years to keep things fresh.

[rickyh24]

Originally Posted by btpeters

Those screenshots tell me that a rating option on Ants.org (a place where everything that has happened in the past is always better) shows a tour that wasn't available to be rated with that system until many years after the fact is rated higher than the one currently going on (that are always complained about).



I'm not saying whether your watered down assessment is wrong or right, I'm saying using the show flow system to prove your point is a weak selling point.

Disagree.

[Bmwm3oz]

Yes, people will always bitch. That’s been known forever. If you don’t like it, you don’t have to partake in it.

Now, back to bitching. The main problem that I don’t think anyone really realizes yet is the new album. The songs are okay when you’re driving, but they’re just plain bad live. They bring very little energy and have no business opening shows.

When Do you Remember opens a concert, look/listen to the audience energy versus something like DDTW.

I’ve said it before but Chicago N1 was the lamest audience I’ve ever seen and it wasn’t their fault. The band played mostly CT songs and people sat down most of the show. The most energetic part of the whole night was sledgehammer.

Scratch these CT songs from opening and encore slots and I think we’d have a lot less complaining.

[RiotAct]

what the hell is "Show Flow", and why should I care?

[btpeters]

okay