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[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by Timebomb07

He’s must see if you appreciate pitching dominance.

It’s must watch sports every 5th day

Another year or two at this level and he will solidify his HOF candidacy

[Dannyyankou]

Cole vs Bieber tonight. Should be a great matchup.

[Timebomb07]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

It’s must watch sports every 5th day

Another year or two at this level and he will solidify his HOF candidacy

For sure. Mets at Padres for 4 games in early June... gotta think one of those is Degrom, I hope. Whichever game he throws I’m springing for the good seats. Actually have to spend money nowadays.

[Timebomb07]

Tatis looking prettyyyyy okay.

[dmbfd15]

I know he’s obviously not DeGrom tier but I used to never miss a Darvish start. Back during his second season with Rangers he was unstoppable. Dude almost had a perfect game in his first start in 2013 and that set the tone for the season. My dad and I went to at least 4-5 of his starts in Arlington that year. Favorite was Cinco De Mayo against Red Sox. Darvish gave up a two run homer against Big Papi in the 1st inning but finished game with 14 strikeouts including one that almost made Ortiz fall down after strike three. Would love to fly out and see him in San Diego.

[scrock25]

Tagus covering his eye and doing that dumbass Bauer strut last night was hilarious

[scrock25]

MLB gon’ change the rules to make games 7-innings then a no-hitter thrown during one of those games is a no-hitter.

Well done MadBum!!

[ToySoldier#34]

7 inning games are awesome

[scrock25]

I’m not a fan at all but if it’s defined as a regulation game then that’s a regulation no-hitter.

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by scrock25

I’m not a fan at all but if it’s defined as a regulation game then that’s a regulation no-hitter.

Correct about the no-hitter

[smokew11]

def counts as a no-no to me.

[Balor3012]

Braves managed 1 hit in the 14 innings they played today

[swordo84]

This SD/LA game has been so much fun.

[Balor3012]

Also the Dodgers/Padres game has been awesome

[swordo84]

Terrible strike 3 call on Mookie just now. Woof.

[daveshookme]

God I really like Mookie.

Def wasn't a strike but it wasn't the worst call I've seen even today.

[neumdogg]

This series is absurd. It's like the fucking playoffs.

[swordo84]

Originally Posted by neumdogg

This series is absurd. It's like the fucking playoffs.

They should only play each other for the rest of the season. Sign me the f up for that.

[neumdogg]

Originally Posted by swordo84

They should only play each other for the rest of the season. Sign me the f up for that.

I am going to tomorrow's game and they are playing the Reds. Won't come close to this energy.

[neumdogg]

Up 7-1. Lose 7-8. Fuck.

[mr. testaverde]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

It’s must watch sports every 5th day

Another year or two at this level and he will solidify his HOF candidacy

some guy on reddit said he's the best pitcher in the history of the game.

dude is filthy no doubt but let's not jump the gun here

[K270]

Originally Posted by neumdogg

Up 7-1. Lose 7-8. Fuck.

God I love it!

[dmbfd15]

Bought myself a ticket to see Shohei pitch tonight. First time seeing the Rangers since they closed out the Ballpark in Arlington.

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by mr. testaverde

some guy on reddit said he's the best pitcher in the history of the game.

dude is filthy no doubt but let's not jump the gun here

It's just near-impossible to even begin comparing a pitcher in 2021 to those of past eras. I mean, we have the dead-ball era to contend with; then the pre/post lowering of the mound. The steroid era. And now the pitch-count/launch-angle era.

deGrom's peak from 2018 to now is about as good as anyone has had in the modern era. Another year and it will rival what Koufax did. But deGrom got a late start to his career, and the pitch count stuff really limits pitchers from going the distance; so A) his career counting stats will never be that high (and the shortened 2020 season didn't help), and B) the job of a pitcher today is much different than it was in the 70s-early 00's.

Personally, I think deGrom has already made his case for Cooperstown. He's been the best pitcher in the game since 2018 and I don't think it's particularly close. He single-handedly destroyed "pitcher wins" as a meaningful statistic (which is a good thing), and he's been the 2nd best player in baseball by WAR behind only Trout.

His dominance draws very few parallels. late-60s Gibson, 70s Seaver, Koufax's run, '99/'00 Pedro, Kershaw.

If he can continue to pitch into his late 30s and continue to re-tool when his velocity dips, he'll start building his case for inner-circle HOF. But for now, he's clearly the best and on his way to locking up a plaque at the shrine, so enjoy it while we can and worry about his exact spot amongst the greats at a later date.

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

His dominance draws very few parallels. late-60s Gibson, 70s Seaver, Koufax's run, '99/'00 Pedro, Kershaw.

I don't have anything against him but kind of feel like Kershaw doesn't belong in this tier

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

I don't have anything against him but kind of feel like Kershaw doesn't belong in this tier

Kershaw's run from 2013-2016 was unbelievable.

2013: 1.83 ERA, 232K, 0.913 WHIP
2014: 1.77 ERA, 239K, 0.857 WHIP
2015: 2.13 ERA, 301K, 0.881 WHIP
2016: 1.69 ERA, 172K, 0.725 WHIP

His career ERA, despite the past few years having injury-related drop-offs, is still just 2.44 (lower than Koufax, deGrom, and Seaver). He's a 3 time Cy Young award winner, has an MVP, has a ring. That run above is pretty much the modern day equivalent to what Koufax did in '63-'66; the difference is innings based.

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

Kershaw's run from 2013-2016 was unbelievable.

2013: 1.83 ERA, 232K, 0.913 WHIP
2014: 1.77 ERA, 239K, 0.857 WHIP
2015: 2.13 ERA, 301K, 0.881 WHIP
2016: 1.69 ERA, 172K, 0.725 WHIP

His career ERA, despite the past few years having injury-related drop-offs, is still just 2.44 (lower than Koufax, deGrom, and Seaver). He's a 3 time Cy Young award winner, has an MVP, has a ring. That run above is pretty much the modern day equivalent to what Koufax did in '63-'66; the difference is innings based.

Yeah that doesn't change anything about what I said

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

Yeah that doesn't change anything about what I said

I mean, what would be the argument against him belonging?

What tier would you put him in?

[sbuzzz]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

I mean, what would be the argument against him belonging?

What tier would you put him in?

Because he only ever saw him pitch in the playoffs.

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

I mean, what would be the argument against him belonging?

What tier would you put him in?

The others weren't choking dogs in the playoffs throughout the vast majority of their careers, it's what separates very good and great, compiling regular season stats vs being all-time great