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Yes -- Big 4 --BTCS, Crash, UTTAD, AFTW 156 41.82%
No -- Big 3 always and forever 182 48.79%
No -- Big 5 -- BW was 4, AFTW is 5 22 5.90%
Yes -- Big 4 -- BTCS, Crash, UTTAD, BWGGK 13 3.49%
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Old 05-14-2014, 03:19 PM   #61
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I remember many people saying that with BW it was a Big 4.....we see how that turned out.

It is too soon but I'm going to say in the long run the consensus will definitely be no. Lyrically most of the songs just aren't there (except for ones like Snow Outside, Drunken Soldier). Also there are just too many middle of the road songs: Belly Full, Mercy and some will argue Sweet, Gaucho and If Only.

Still a very good album, but the Big 3 is intact for now.
Glad to see my initial instinct was spot on.
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    Re: Big 4?

    BTCS
    Crash
    UTTAD

    Busted Stuff
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    Old 07-25-2014, 10:18 PM   #63
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    My ranking:

    BTCS

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    LWS
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    BS

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    Old 07-25-2014, 11:29 PM   #64
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    Re: Big 4?

    I've posted this before, but it's worth repeating:

    Before These Crowded Streets
    Crash/UTTAD
    Busted Stuff

    Away From The World
    Everyday

    Big Whiskey And The Groogrux King



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    BTCS+Crash+UTTAD = Big 3

    Busted Stuff+AFTW+Everyday = Medium 3

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    Old 10-30-2014, 03:27 AM   #65
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    LWS is just as good as the big 3.
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    Old 10-30-2014, 08:13 AM   #66
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    I would love to see these poll results if it were taken today as opposed to so close to when the album first came out.
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    I would love to see these poll results if it were taken today as opposed to so close to when the album first came out.
    same here...
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    BS
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    I like em all though. The songs on Crash are great, the album is a mess though.
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    Old 02-05-2015, 08:32 AM   #70
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    Song arrangement, or... ?

    I love Crash, LYD is the only insta-skip for me.
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    Stand Up

    I like em all though. The songs on Crash are great, the album is a mess though.
    Jesus Bo, just fuck off. Nobody cares about your dumb "flow" argument!
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    BTCS
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    Jesus Bo, just fuck off. Nobody cares about your dumb "flow" argument!
    I've got something for ya that will flow right into your eyes, buddy.
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    Song arrangement, or... ?

    I love Crash, LYD is the only insta-skip for me.
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    Before These Crowded Streets
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    LWS is just as good as the big 3.
    Yep. If not better imo. Amazing music and lyrics start to finish. Itís dark and perfect.
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    This is #4, but there's a big gap between 3 & 4.. so I don't consider it part of the 'Big' albums... just #4.
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    If those songs had gotten finished and released by Lillywhite.. absolutely... it'd be Big 4.
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    without rating the albums cause my order can vary based on my mood, even though stand up is generally regarded as the worst, that weekend from the rocks box set doesnt make me hate the songs on the record. roi did alot of great stuff with them on that release. based on live setting, that boxset inparticular, i dig dreamgirl, old dirt hill, the new standup with the shotgun bit with buddy, abi, american baby meh, smooth rider is tolerable on the album but not the ten minute rashawn borefest live, everybody wake up was tolerable live, out of my hands has its moments if placed in the right spot, hello again rocks, bayou with randolph is a joy, stolen away is great with roi, probably one of the most underrated dmb songs, ymdt had been great since 08 when tim started shredding on it, steady as we go i always thought was a wonderful song that never got the appreciation it was due, especially the version from the vh-1 special i believe it was when the album dropped. hftgl is give or take, but for three minutes at a show id take it over satellite for the millionth time or play it and cut three minutes off a 20 minute two step, or a list of other things. busted stuff id definately say is underrated in general, have listened to that and prefer the tunes over a good chunk of crash or uttad just because after being a fan since 94, i have heard all those songs so often, not to say they arent great songs, but id rather hear other things. at this point, and im in the minority, but i still love aftw. alot probably matters on when you got into the band and what was going on in yer life when albums came out. on paper, come tomorrow isnt some fantastic album, but alot of the songs hold a special place in my heart cuz me and my fiancee got engaged around the time it dropped, and last year was her first show, so come on come on and here on out are special for their own special reasons
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    I hit DMB burnout at the time of this album's release and never really gave it multiple or close listens until the past few weeks. I love it now- But I still rank it 6th.

    DMB Album Rankings:

    Before These Crowded Streets- Perfection

    The Lillywhite Sessions- Ahh- LimeWire. Got the proper mix years later and a copy lives in my car. But the songs that didn't make it BS are still some of my favorites. See username.

    Table/Crash - tossup between these 2. Crash might technically be a tad better, but the songs on Table are still so strong.

    Busted Stuff- KKJ got massacred on this record. Boo. Other than that- I got married right before this came out & it will always be a sentimental favorite. Plus, it was nice to get official versions of LWS before the better mix came out. The 2 new songs on it still kickass and The Gorge box will always be a special part of this era as well.

    Away From The World- Love driving to this album or smoking a joint for a listen. The vibe is definitely "New Classic". I'd love to hear the mixes Dave preferred. I'd love more LT 2012-2013 releases, no bullshit. Beginning with The Riff, the 2nd half of the album really hits its' stride & helps me zone out. The soundscapes are reminiscent of the Big 3. Brilliant tones on this album.

    Big Whiskey/Little Red Bird EP- Return to Form in regard to studio output. This album could've been an awesome Double LP. So much live output from this period is probably what led me to being burnt I think? I actually felt like the time between this album and AFTW was too short! Tim helps bring the Mojo back to the studio and straight up co-owns this album. As someone who's also into some Guitar driven rock, this album scratches that itch. Lying In The Hands Of God has always been my favorite song on it, but the run from Spaceman until the end is amazing. It's a great tribute to LeRoi and the Album Blanket hangs in my music room.

    Batson Sessions (mix I made featuring 21 songs that actually plays like a "classic double" album (82 minutes). It has a nice flow and I included the 5 songs released elsewhere) Thanks to this, I no longer despise Batson's involvement with DMB, lol.

    1.There Are Ghosts
    2.Kill The King
    3.Bullets And Rum
    4.Idea Of You
    5.Break Free
    6.Red Glare
    7.Early Home
    8.#27
    9.Corn Bread
    10.Situation
    11.Fonz
    12.Ask
    13.Shotgun
    14.Come On
    15.Blackjack
    16.Drive Me Away
    17.Sister
    18.Celebrate
    19.Can't Stop
    20.Break For It
    21.Scream Into The Grave

    I know these are rough sketches and basically unfinished but there's a pleasant flow to this mix. Maybe it's just a case of "The Lillywhite Sessions Deja Vu" ? I do quite enjoy this mix. And to be completely frank, I'm trying to save the true Deja Vu vibes in case the original AFTW mixes ever leak. Break For It has become one of my favorite songs thanks to Live 25 and I'm glad there's a studio recording. I do still loathe those trademark Batson drum machines on some of these. Which is why I mixed it down. You have Carter frickin' Beauford. Now that Neil Peart's retired, he is the single greatest drummer on the planet.

    Come Tomorrow - Eclectic, adventurous mix, & the good stuff here really does shine the more I listen to it. IE- Do You Remember, That Girl Is You, She, Virginia In The Rain. Still think some other songs should've made it on here- Bismarck? Kill The King? Blackjack? Maybe next time? But this album will always be the one where we lost Boyd.

    Remember Two Things - Interesting mix but not one I return to that often. Special occasions & throwback listening.

    Everyday- love these songs live- especially on Folsom Field but the album's just too glossy and is more like a Dave Solo album. Carter even said that in the Rolling Stone article at the time. But in the right mood, this album sounds great for what it is - Mainstream Radio DMB. I used to hear Space Between being played at every mall & Starbuck's I visited between 2001-2003. But, it does have a really great flow to it and Dave knocked these songs out with the quickness. But seriously- how weird was it seeing him with an electric guitar at first?

    Stand Up- What the actual fuck? I don't understand the recording methods employed or why some of the best songs from this period were abandoned altogether. Joy Ride was put as a lead b-side and bumped in favor of other songs? Seriously?? As with Everyday, I prefer the live stuff all the way. Weekend On The Rocks & LT 25 in particular. Unlike Everday, this album doesn't really have a flow, it feels like it's just thrown together haphazardly. 2004 was a glorious live year and the hype for the material was high. Then this album being the end result just compounded the frustration at the time. I honestly thought they were done as a studio band at this point. BW redeemed that in a big way.

    Some Devil ranks right with BW really. But I wanted to keep the band stuff separate. Best thing about DMB & Dave & Tim is some of the mixes on the live stuff is so damn good that shows can actually sub for albums, depending on my moods.
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    I hit DMB burnout at the time of this album's release and never really gave it multiple or close listens until the past few weeks. I love it now- But I still rank it 6th.

    DMB Album Rankings:

    Before These Crowded Streets- Perfection

    The Lillywhite Sessions- Ahh- LimeWire. Got the proper mix years later and a copy lives in my car. But the songs that didn't make it BS are still some of my favorites. See username.

    Table/Crash - tossup between these 2. Crash might technically be a tad better, but the songs on Table are still so strong.

    Busted Stuff- KKJ got massacred on this record. Boo. Other than that- I got married right before this came out & it will always be a sentimental favorite. Plus, it was nice to get official versions of LWS before the better mix came out. The 2 new songs on it still kickass and The Gorge box will always be a special part of this era as well.

    Away From The World- Love driving to this album or smoking a joint for a listen. The vibe is definitely "New Classic". I'd love to hear the mixes Dave preferred. I'd love more LT 2012-2013 releases, no bullshit. Beginning with The Riff, the 2nd half of the album really hits its' stride & helps me zone out. The soundscapes are reminiscent of the Big 3. Brilliant tones on this album.

    Big Whiskey/Little Red Bird EP- Return to Form in regard to studio output. This album could've been an awesome Double LP. So much live output from this period is probably what led me to being burnt I think? I actually felt like the time between this album and AFTW was too short! Tim helps bring the Mojo back to the studio and straight up co-owns this album. As someone who's also into some Guitar driven rock, this album scratches that itch. Lying In The Hands Of God has always been my favorite song on it, but the run from Spaceman until the end is amazing. It's a great tribute to LeRoi and the Album Blanket hangs in my music room.

    Batson Sessions (mix I made featuring 18 songs). It has a nice flow and I included the 3 songs released elsewhere) Thanks to this, I no longer despise Batson's involvement with DMB, lol.

    1.There Are Ghosts
    2.Kill The King
    3.Bullets And Rum
    4.Idea Of You
    5.Break Free
    6.Red Glare
    7.Early Home
    8.Situation
    9.Fonz
    10.Ask
    11.Shotgun
    12.Come On
    13.Blackjack
    14.Drive Me Away
    15.Sister
    16.Celebrate
    17.Can't Stop
    18.Break For It
    21.Scream Into The Grave

    I know these are rough sketches and basically unfinished but there's a pleasant flow to this mix. Maybe it's just a case of "The Lillywhite Sessions Deja Vu" ? I do quite enjoy this mix. And to be completely frank, I'm trying to save the true Deja Vu vibes in case the original AFTW mixes ever leak. Break For It has become one of my favorite songs thanks to Live 25 and I'm glad there's a studio recording. I do still loathe those trademark Batson drum machines on some of these. Which is why I mixed it down. You have Carter frickin' Beauford. Now that Neil Peart's retired, he is the single greatest drummer on the planet.

    Come Tomorrow - Eclectic, adventurous mix, & the good stuff here really does shine the more I listen to it. IE- Do You Remember, That Girl Is You, She, Virginia In The Rain. Still think some other songs should've made it on here- Bismarck? Kill The King? Blackjack? Maybe next time? But this album will always be the one where we lost Boyd.

    Remember Two Things - Interesting mix but not one I return to that often. Special occasions & throwback listening.

    Everyday- love these songs live- especially on Folsom Field but the album's just too glossy and is more like a Dave Solo album. Carter even said that in the Rolling Stone article at the time. But in the right mood, this album sounds great for what it is - Mainstream Radio DMB. I used to hear Space Between being played at every mall & Starbuck's I visited between 2001-2003. But, it does have a really great flow to it and Dave knocked these songs out with the quickness. But seriously- how weird was it seeing him with an electric guitar at first?

    Stand Up- What the actual fuck? I don't understand the recording methods employed or why some of the best songs from this period were abandoned altogether. Joy Ride was put as a lead b-side and bumped in favor of other songs? Seriously?? As with Everyday, I prefer the live stuff all the way. Weekend On The Rocks & LT 25 in particular. Unlike Everday, this album doesn't really have a flow, it feels like it's just thrown together haphazardly. 2004 was a glorious live year and the hype for the material was high. Then this album being the end result just compounded the frustration at the time. I honestly thought they were done as a studio band at this point. BW redeemed that in a big way.

    Some Devil ranks right with BW really. But I wanted to keep the band stuff separate. Best thing about DMB & Dave & Tim is some of the mixes on the live stuff is so damn good that shows can actually sub for albums, depending on my moods.
    EDIT: I took #27 and Corn Bread off my Batson Sessions mix and it now fits on 1 disc and flows a little better.

    Official Album Rankings:

    1.BTCS
    2.Crash
    3.UTTAD
    4.BS
    5.AFTW
    6.BW
    7.CT
    8.RTT
    9.Everday
    10.SU

    Also made a Studio Sessions mix with LRB & other bonus tracks:
    1.#27
    2.Beach Ball
    3.Little Red Bird
    4.Write A Song
    5.Corn Bread
    6.Eh Hee
    7.Joy Ride
    8.Trouble With You
    9.Help Myself
    10.Granny
    11.Song That Jane Likes (acoustic)
    12.Dancing Nancies (acoustic)
    13.Typical Situation (Flat Five Studios)
    14.Pay For What You Get (Flat Five Studios)

    I had the studio recording of #40 (Always) but lost the cd and my laptop crashed. :/ I miss that song & my Dave Matthews & Friends Live @ Bonnaroo June 11, 2004 show immensely.
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