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Old 07-19-2018, 06:56 AM   #121
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It's not so much that True Reflections flopped. It's that Dave's solo album (released the same year) did so much better than his. Then Dave went off with another band and played those songs for a bit while Boyd was left at home staring at the wall.

When DMB came back in 2004, they played 4-5 new songs during that tour. Boyd barely played on any of them. I think you're right. After that, Boyd just didn't give a fuck.
Crazy Easy and Joyride both feature Boyd.
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    you are really, reeeaaallllly reaching if you think that true reflections "flopping" caused some kind of problems for boyd.

    true reflections never gets made unless boyd is in DMB. allowing him to record it and then sell it on the DMB website is literally just handing boyd money he never would have seen otherwise. it's a hugely positive gesture and favor to him.
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    Old 07-19-2018, 07:06 AM   #123
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    It probably didn't help that Dave dropped Some Devil like 2 months after True Reflections.
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    it literally makes no difference at all
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    there is literally nobody in the world who thought "i'd like to buy boyd tinsley's album, but since dave's came out, I won't"
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    "http://www.glidemagazine.com/articles/46245/boyd-tinsley.html. Retrieved 2009-03-08. Die-hard Dave Matthews Band fans will find this recording to be an admirable way of learning more about this maestro of the violin, while most others may be better off waiting for Dave Matthew’s first solo album to arrive later this summer."
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    Crazy Easy and Joyride both feature Boyd.
    "Feature", perhaps. I feel like most of his part on Joyride is basically doubling the guitar part though.
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    "http://www.glidemagazine.com/articles/46245/boyd-tinsley.html. Retrieved 2009-03-08. Die-hard Dave Matthews Band fans will find this recording to be an admirable way of learning more about this maestro of the violin, while most others may be better off waiting for Dave Matthew’s first solo album to arrive later this summer."
    is anybody actually reading a review to decide whether to buy the violinist's solo album. I guarantee you that every person that bought True Reflections was either boyd tinsley's friend/family member or someone who buys every bit of music anybody in DMB puts out.
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    This revelation has actually made me think more highly of Dave. I always used to think that Dave didn't really give a shit about anything with the band, and he was content with anything. This was a wake up call for me that I was totally wrong -- Dave actually does care about the sound and the performance of each band member. Nice to see.
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    Here's one thing nobody's mentioned (at least I haven't seen mentioned)...

    Who's probably the most popular violin player right now? Lindsey Stirling. She's on tour with Evanescence right now, so they can't bring her on. YET.

    A WOMAN in DMB? It might just be the change they're after.
    I saw Shooter Jennings play last year. He had a lady fiddle player in his band; Aubrey Richmond. She was excellent and had a great stage presence. She’d be great in DMB IMO.
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    Crazy Easy and Joyride both feature Boyd.
    He also plays throughout Sugar Will, even if he’s just finger picking and doubling the guitar.
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    shouldn't be a surprise that dave didn't like Boyd's playing. His body language on stage was obvious. Boyd had his volume turned down by the mixing crew during a show. No way they do this without Dave approval. Boyd was awful latey. He's also mentally unstable given his texts that are bizarre. The post show meet ups, the faces in the mirror hotel rants. All combined was crushing DMB energy. Great to see him gone.
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    "http://www.glidemagazine.com/articles/46245/boyd-tinsley.html. Retrieved 2009-03-08. Die-hard Dave Matthews Band fans will find this recording to be an admirable way of learning more about this maestro of the violin, while most others may be better off waiting for Dave Matthew’s first solo album to arrive later this summer."
    I think that’s just a round about way of that reviewer saying that only die hard fans will buy Boyd’s album (because they’re die hards), but it really is not that great and Dave’s album is undoubtably going to be a lot better.

    I highly doubt anyone would have not bought True Reflections if it were a great album just because Some Devil came out soon after.
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    I think that’s just a round about way of that reviewer saying that only die hard fans will buy Boyd’s album (because they’re die hards), but it really is not that great and Dave’s album is undoubtably going to be a lot better.



    I highly doubt anyone would have not bought True Reflections if it were a great album just because Some Devil came out soon after.


    Yeah. I was joking for the most part


    But I do own True Reflections lol
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    Yeah. I was joking for the most part


    But I do own True Reflections lol
    So you're the one
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    This revelation has actually made me think more highly of Dave. I always used to think that Dave didn't really give a shit about anything with the band, and he was content with anything. This was a wake up call for me that I was totally wrong -- Dave actually does care about the sound and the performance of each band member. Nice to see.
    In all fairness, I'm pretty sure there was a time when Dave really didn't give a shit. There were probably little things that bothered him but he didn't want to make a big issue out of it. It wasn't until after Roi told Dave to take charge and "lead" this band that Dave started to speak up more instead of letting things build up and fester. I know a lot of fans will argue that it has become Dave Matthews' Band, and they may be right. The real question is, is it better to be Dave Matthews' Band or for DMB to have broken up in 2007 like they almost did? Because if Dave hadn't taken charge, I'm pretty sure there would be no Dave Matthews Band today.

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    Sigh. I own it too. I even got Boyd to autograph it when he came to Portland in 2013 to promote his crappy movie. He seemed surprised that anyone still had a copy.
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    So you're the one
    There’s two of us actually...

    Wait, three of us.

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    Fantastic podcast

    Dave is such a business man
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    I think I have True Reflections somewhere. I only listen to his shitty cover of Cinnamin Girl only because it’s in a cover songs playlist on my iTunes
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    I think we all got the sense this is how it went down. Boyd was holding them back.
    Dave's going to blame 15 years of shitty songwriting on Boyd now? Pffft.
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    Fantastic podcast

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    He's not a businessman. He's a business, man.
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    Dave's going to blame 15 years of shitty songwriting on Boyd now? Pffft.
    I think this is a fair point. And it's not like the songs on Come Tomorrow are light years ahead of what they've been putting out the last decade.

    2004 songs are still the best thing this band has done since Busted Stuff. Boyd was there for that.

    Dave "demanding" more out of Boyd is completely fair. Boyd has been complacent. No way around it. But so has Dave. He needs to hold himself to higher standards than he does the rest of his band. It's unfair to throw Boyd under the bus while simultaneously playing stale, shitty setlist night after night. Or writing less-than-inspired lyrics album after album.

    I'm the last one to defend Boyd. I totally get where Dave is coming from in all this. You could just see it on stage. But let's not pretend like Dave has been really great the last decade either.
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    Some Devil, BW, AFtW, CT...this is where we have to agree to disagree, or (better yet) that you're wrong.

    There's also another 10 plus songs that haven't been official released yet from this time period that are quite good.

    I'll give everyone their gripes about SU, none of which will be louder than mine. But the songs the band have been writing, crafting, and arranging for the last 15 have for the most part been great. Obviously this is just one person's opinion in this post, but I know a lot of folks in Ants, the WH and other DMB dedicated websites agree with me.

    Boyd's contributions to a lot of this music has been solid, but a lot has not. Boyd was the perfect violinist for this band for a long time, but he was also the least creative member of the band. Roi used to help him out and the stuff most of love most from him was apparently heavily influenced/massaged by Lillywhite. And if you can't look back and objectively see and hear that Boyd was/has been the only wildly inconsistent musician in this band you're wearing blinders/Boyd-tinted glasses.

    The band and almost all of its players have been evolving and improving over the years, except for Boyd. Arguing that fact is a waste of everyone's time.
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    The band and almost all of its players have been evolving and improving over the years, except for Boyd. Arguing that fact is a waste of everyone's time.
    Pretty sure we're all in agreement that Boyd has been complacent for years.

    Arguing that all of the band, mainly Dave, has improved over the years, however, is a little ridiculous. Dave's best songwriting is still from 1991-2000. He certainly hasn't improved on that since then.
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    I think this is a fair point. And it's not like the songs on Come Tomorrow are light years ahead of what they've been putting out the last decade.

    2004 songs are still the best thing this band has done since Busted Stuff. Boyd was there for that.

    Dave "demanding" more out of Boyd is completely fair. Boyd has been complacent. No way around it. But so has Dave. He needs to hold himself to higher standards than he does the rest of his band. It's unfair to throw Boyd under the bus while simultaneously playing stale, shitty setlist night after night. Or writing less-than-inspired lyrics album after album.

    I'm the last one to defend Boyd. I totally get where Dave is coming from in all this. You could just see it on stage. But let's not pretend like Dave has been really great the last decade either.
    This is all either highly subjective or not seeing the big picture. This tour seems in line with a fair amount of their album tours as far as set list variety, with the added element of adding a new instrument/musician while simultaneously subtracting an old instrument//musician. This makes working up songs more involved as new arrangements need to be created/worked out.

    Dave keeps creating and putting it out there every night. He writes a new song and for the better part of the last decade gives them a trial by fire in front an audience of tens of thousands. He doesn't expect everything to be seen as great, but he's laying out there time and time again.

    And lyrics are one of the most subjective aspects of songwriting. I have far less issues with them than many do. The music is the most important thing for me and there's been vastly more very good to excellent songs written in the last decade and half then there has been bad songs.

    Boyd's been playing the same stuff for decades and often having trouble maintaining the ability to do so with anything even approaching consistency. I've always loved his recorded parts and enjoyed quite a few his live performances, but he's been coasting for ages. The rest of the band has been busting their asses from day one.
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    Pretty sure we're all in agreement that Boyd has been complacent for years.

    Arguing that all of the band, mainly Dave, has improved over the years, however, is a little ridiculous. Dave's best songwriting is still from 1991-2000. He certainly hasn't improved on that since then.
    I respect your opinion, but disagree. Some Devil is one of my favorite albums featuring Dave. I love the new album. BW and AFtW continue to bring me nothing but pleasure. I'm not locked into the idea that their best work is nearly (and at least) two decades old. I don't hear it that way, I'll listen to almost anything from R2T through CT (including the LWS) at random, never wishing I were listening to a different album or thinking about how much better the older stuff is supposed to be.

    That said, the almost above relates to how ED and SU are pretty much depressingly low points for this band. Butch didn't add anything I wanted to hear in the band in a live setting. Stadiums were horrible venues for this band. They should be releasing albums more regularly.

    That said, I love a ton of other bands as much as DMB, so I'm not invested in them as exclusively or as extensively as many here. Similarly, these other artists haven't always been perfect or giving 100%. It's an ebb and flow, but eventually they get back in sync. Boyd has not done this for DMB in ages.
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    Cover of Busted Stuff says it all. Boyd's face on a poster with BUSTED in all caps.
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    The band is definitely in need of a replacement violin but they need to replace him with someone that actually knows how to play. Hopefully they learned their lesson from when they replaced Leroi with someone that just makes random sax noises that don't sound any good.
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    The band is definitely in need of a replacement violin but they need to replace him with someone that actually knows how to play. Hopefully they learned their lesson from when they replaced Leroi with someone that just makes random sax noises that don't sound any good.
    Come on now, Jeff is great. No one will ever have the beautiful subtlety of Leroi
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    The band is definitely in need of a replacement violin but they need to replace him with someone that actually knows how to play. Hopefully they learned their lesson from when they replaced Leroi with someone that just makes random sax noises that don't sound any good.
    Implying that Jeff isn't a good sax player is funny. He's absolutely filthy at what he does. Does he fit in with DMB as well as Roi did? Absolutely not but nobody could.
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