Dates are 10/1 and 10/2. Late in year. Will be interesting if it continues at Fiddlers or moves to pepsi center since it is October. I didn't see anything that said a venue.
I just wanted to check what the consensus on this song was so I could decide how I feel. I can't remember if we hate it or not because I didn't pay attention when it was more relevant. Sorry.
Walk to outside merch get your stuff and take it back to the room. Plenty of restaurants and the light rail there as well. Usually full of several other DMB fans. Spacious rooms too.
I'll be there for N2. We'll see on N1. The last two times at Fiddlers they mail it in N1 and drop all the goodies on N2. Last year I skipped N1 to go see Joe Rogan stand up at the Bellco theater. Well worth it.
Hoping the rarities continue for us at Fiddlers. Last year was my favorite opening run of tunes I've seen in person.
Why I Am
Grace is Gone ->
Warehouse
Sam Cop
Kill the Preacher (tease) ->
Dont Drink the Water
Spoon (!!!!)
The Best of Whats Around (!!!)
Sam Cop is a big wet fart to me, but aside from that, I'd take that opening run at every show.
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They'll play red rocks again once they can't draw 15k in one night. And then it will become a destination expensive show which will also suck for locals.
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It's not called the Great Depression because it was an awesome fucking time.
They'll play red rocks again once they can't draw 15k in one night. And then it will become a destination expensive show which will also suck for locals.
i am very into this. it will have been 8 long years since i've seen them at that point. i expect to have a really really good time, which i wasn't when i was setlist bitching half the time because i had seen them like 4 times already that summer and the year before...etc...
They do still sell out Fiddlers twice every time they come though
If they had come through Denver with two stops for the last 10 years do you think it would be all sell outs? I think the band and the local promoter in Denver have strategically held back DMB in Denver to drive demand.
They skipped us in 2020. So what the new date says to me is they were coming back in 2021 anyway, which again means they skipped us purposefully this year.
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RR is tiny, but i had no idea it was a venue where once you hit a certain crowd number you just say fuck it. I've seen some bands there who could easily sell out amphitheaters, and have. interesting.
Two nights is a standard move for the big acts at RR. Sometimes 3 nights.
Tom Petty easily could have sold out Fiddlers or Pepsi on his 40th anniversary tour but he instead did 2 red rocks shows. And they were magic.
I've also heard the load in logistics for RR is a chore and a half. But ya know... Whatever? It obviously doesn't stop many major acts from playing there.
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It's not called the Great Depression because it was an awesome fucking time.
If they had come through Denver with two stops for the last 10 years do you think it would be all sell outs? I think the band and the local promoter in Denver have strategically held back DMB in Denver to drive demand.
They skipped us in 2020. So what the new date says to me is they were coming back in 2021 anyway, which again means they skipped us purposefully this year.
I agree it's a strategy thing and I don't like it Not sure I agree with it either as they have always done well in Colorado though. That being said would they sell out every year? I don't know.
Heard that. It would be dope if they did back to back 3 night stands for Red Rocks and the Gorge. Thursday-Sat at RR the weekend before labor day and then the traditional 3 night stand over labor day for the Gorge.
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It's not called the Great Depression because it was an awesome fucking time.
Two nights is a standard move for the big acts at RR. Sometimes 3 nights.
Tom Petty easily could have sold out Fiddlers or Pepsi on his 40th anniversary tour but he instead did 2 red rocks shows. And they were magic.
I've also heard the load in logistics for RR is a chore and a half. But ya know... Whatever? It obviously doesn't stop many major acts from playing there.
It's not so much of a logistical issue that they couldn't possibly do 3-4 nights there every couple of years. Even if it meant having a scaled back stage/lighting rig.
Oh, you mean each one of them may not be able to take their own 50 ft tour bus to the venue?? Tragic.
From my understanding it's actually more of a crew thing than the band having their private buses next to the venue.
This is an old article about the Allman Brothers playing there in 2003.
Red Rocks - Heaven for Audiences, Hell for Stage Crews
Posted by: Lana on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 09:43 PM
The Allman Brothers Band appears in concert at Red Rocks Sept. 19
By: G Brown
For the Denver Post
8/29/2003
Red Rocks Amphitheatre is one of the planet's most awesome natural outdoor venues, internationally renowned for its incredible beauty and natural acoustic quality.
Fans come to revel in the grand setting, but it also blows away performers from all musical genres. They're pumped when they hit the stage, seeing the front rows of the audience close to the stage. Without fail, Red Rocks creates what's known in the business as the "magic bubble of entertainment."
That is, unless you're on a production crew in charge of getting equipment up to that stage. To those hard-working roadies, a Red Rocks date is the worst possible stop on an already grueling schedule.
Rick Wurpel was the production manager for every gig at Red Rocks from 1974 to 1987, and he produced shows there as recently as 1997.
"I've worked in the majority of facilities across the country, some out of the country, some just 'Here's a plot of land where we're doing a concert, figure it out.' And from an operational standpoint, Red Rocks is probably the hardest facility in the world to get a bus and truck show into," Wurpel said. "On a scale of 1 to 10, it's like 'Spinal Tap' - it's an 11 or a 12."
The record for the most dates played at Red Rocks, reportedly 25, belongs to the Grateful Dead. The band considered Red Rocks "a sacred place," likening it to Stonehenge and the pyramids of Egypt. But according to longtime associate Dennis McNally, the crew had a different take: "It's called a (expletive) load-in."
It will be even more of an issue on Saturday when the Coors Light Mountain Jam comes to Red Rocks, with nearly a dozen acts - from rapper 50 Cent to classic rockers the Doors 21st Century to nu-metalheads Korn - that don't share production.
"It's a cool event, and a lot of time and money was spent on it," said Tommy Hauser, local production manager for Clear Channel Entertainment. "But it's a lot of different bands, and it's challenging to make the show run smoothly and successfully in that sense. Dressing room space is limited. Getting the gear up and down the hill is going to be a test. Some of these bands have other commitments, and they need to be able to get back out of the venue before the end of the night when we have to load out."
Smooth move most places
On the road, acts play an average of four to six shows a week, anywhere from 100 to 200 shows in a tour run. Their production crews get accustomed to facilities in other markets, which are usually built much like Denver's Pepsi Center and Fiddler's Green Amphitheatre. They can back their six or so semi tractor-trailers simultaneously as close and as level to the stage area as possible. Mechanical equipment and labor are available to get the huge amounts of equipment - lighting fixtures, speakers, dimmer racks, smoke machines, sound-mixing consoles, stage set-pieces, even bicycles and cases of wine - out of the semi onto the stage very quickly. It's usually done in an enclosed, weather-protected environment.
Not at Red Rocks.
The semis have to park down by the trading post. They can't get up the back road to the stage area. So crews start the day by backing up a flatbed truck and unloading the equipment, a tenth to a quarter of the semi at a time, and then shuttling it up the steep hill. The back road is about 200 yards long and rises at about a 30-degree incline. No one seems to have measured, because they don't want to know. Otherwise, it would be like the "5280 feet above sea level" signs that Denver sports teams post in visitors' dressing rooms, ostensibly to induce altitude poisoning in opponents.
"You have to make sure everything is tied in carefully. Things have come out of the back and rolled back down that hill," Wurpel said. "And, of course, it's usually the most expensive piece of gear they have."
The back loading dock area is also very unforgiving. The flatbed trucks have to turn around and back up to a ramp at the stage left entrance. The gear is rolled off the truck onto another ramp, and then it has to be pushed uphill one more level to get on the main performance area.
Longer, harder job
So a Red Rocks load-in takes two to three hours more than a normal one, and the cost of adding more equipment and labor is roughly a third more. Truck loading is a backbreaking, somewhat dangerous job in the first place. At Red Rocks, crews have to do it twice.
And while it's usually clear by the time the show rolls around, there's more often than not an afternoon rain shower between 3 and 7 p.m.
"You just hope it's a beautiful day," Wurpel said. "Inclement weather really makes it a hassle."
When Wurpel first started his job, there was no stage covering of any kind at Red Rocks.
"We did many a show with me holding an umbrella over the artist as we took the show acoustic." Now there's a permanent roof, and once crews get the gear on the main stage area, it's business as usual, with riggers pulling the lights and sound up.
But Red Rocks limits what a promoter can bring into the space. Some large shows and theatrical events leave production people scratching their heads, wondering what sound and lights of a traveling company can fit into the space with the least amount of damage to their personnel.
But if a crew is unhappy, the artists are not. Last month, Boston's stage show was something to behold. It resembled a toxic urban wasteland, and the band brought out its big guns with the giant "phantom" pipe organ player and a lighting rig that lowered and turned into a guitar spaceship with smoke and afterburners.
But singer Brad Delp didn't care if it all made it to the stage or not. "Why bring anything? The place itself is so stunning," he said with a shrug.
Problems never cease
There are other unique problems at Red Rocks. The mix position - where the sound engineer sets up a few rows into the crowd - is out in the open, vulnerable to inclement weather. And the underground tunnel to access it from backstage, while cleaned up considerably from the days when a rattlesnake could be found lurking behind a rock, remains a challenging place to run cables.
No doubt, there can be tensions, and workers can get a little disgruntled, understandable when their normal workload is multiplied to make a show happen on the Rocks. Guys like Hauser and Wurpel, as affable and professional as they come, excel at making it as easy a process as possible, but it's exceptionally daunting to begin with.
Yet the beauty of Red Rocks trumps everything.
"The whole reason we're here is for those 5,000 to 9,000 people who are sitting out there, to do whatever we can to make a unique event happen," Wurpel said.
Band manager Mark Bliesener agrees.
"You have crews working at that altitude that may have come from sea level the day before. Every day at 5:30 it's going to spit on you a bit. There's the expense of the extra labor," he said. "But still, Red Rocks is where the artist wants to be. It's the must-play venue. And God made it that way."
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It's not called the Great Depression because it was an awesome fucking time.
They'll play red rocks again once they can't draw 15k in one night. And then it will become a destination expensive show which will also suck for locals.
I’d say Dave and Tim play there before the full band easy. Although, 2017 was the perfect opportunity and it didn’t happen.
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