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Old 06-16-2016, 10:29 AM   #40801
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His all-around game has grown leaps and bounds, particularly in the last 2-3 seasons. Maybe the Blackhawks have such a spoil of riches on the blueline that it's hard to notice his talent, but he could be a #1 defenseman on just about any other team in the league. He's got the shot, size, skating ability, instincts... just about everything you could want. Maybe one of the top 10 d-men in the league. Easily Top 250. I would give up mucho to see him in an Avs sweater.
I think they expect Keith and he's not that. Most aren't. He's solid and most teams would take him in a second. If you expect everyone to put up Keith numbers you are gonna be disappointed every time.
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    I think they expect Keith and he's not that. Most aren't. He's solid and most teams would take him in a second. If you expect everyone to put up Keith numbers you are gonna be disappointed every time.
    Exactly. And since I know the Avalanche could never land a Keith, I would be over the moon to get Seabrook. Great, great player.
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    Old 06-16-2016, 11:34 AM   #40803
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    the worst move the Hawks have made recently was giving up Daley for Scuderi

    and i get the whole "Daley wasn't seeing the ice." "Daley wasn't a good fit" etc etc but man, you gotta get more in return than Scuds and his contract bad trade for the Hawks
    Yeah, I bet Bowman is regretting that one but with the way he was playing in Chicago dumping his contract and the 3.3mil cap hit made sense to me. Just as shipping Scuderi back to LA with his million dollar cap hit made sense.

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    His all-around game has grown leaps and bounds, particularly in the last 2-3 seasons. Maybe the Blackhawks have such a spoil of riches on the blueline that it's hard to notice his talent, but he could be a #1 defenseman on just about any other team in the league. He's got the shot, size, skating ability, instincts... just about everything you could want. Maybe one of the top 10 d-men in the league. Easily Top 250. I would give up mucho to see him in an Avs sweater.
    Yeah, he is a complete player and certainly makes my top ten D guys. I would put him up with the likes of:

    Keith
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    Burns
    Weber
    Letang
    Jones
    Muzzin
    Oduya
    Staal
    Karlsson
    Pietrangelo
    Hedman
    Byfuglien

    I give honorable mention to Gostisbehere but I will have to take a pass on proclaiming him one of the best defensemen in the league simply because the is so young and no one knows how his career will go from here.
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    I'd put Hedman closer to the top five.
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    Old 06-16-2016, 11:37 AM   #40805
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    Cam Ward re-signing in Carolina for a 2 year deal at pretty cheap.
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    Geno might need Tommy John surgery. MRI Friday. Fuuuuck!
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    Geno might need Tommy John surgery. MRI Friday. Fuuuuck!
    That could be a year+ couldn't it?
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    That could be a year+ couldn't it?
    I think you are correct. He would likely lose next season, or at least most of it. Geno is trying to sound optimistic that he won't need surgery, but we'll see what the MRI says.
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    Old 06-16-2016, 11:47 AM   #40809
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    Yeah, I bet Bowman is regretting that one but with the way he was playing in Chicago dumping his contract and the 3.3mil cap hit made sense to me. Just as shipping Scuderi back to LA with his million dollar cap hit made sense.



    Yeah, he is a complete player and certainly makes my top ten D guys. I would put him up with the likes of:

    Keith
    Doughty
    Burns
    Weber
    Letang
    Jones
    Muzzin
    Oduya
    Staal
    Karlsson
    Pietrangelo
    Hedman
    Byfuglien

    I give honorable mention to Gostisbehere but I will have to take a pass on proclaiming him one of the best defensemen in the league simply because the is so young and no one knows how his career will go from here.
    hard to argue with opinion but man, that list is a bit different than mine

    i would probably have Subban in the top 10, probably over Muzzin or Jones...Muzzin couldn't even find his way into the lineup as of 2014 so sample size is small...my list, in order:

    1. Doughty
    2. Letang
    3. Weber
    4. Keith
    5. Hedman
    6. Karlsson
    7. Klingberg
    8. Subban
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    Geno might need Tommy John surgery. MRI Friday. Fuuuuck!
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    That could be a year+ couldn't it?
    yea that's not a good surgery to need but it does explain his lack of explosiveness on his shot and his overall ineffectiveness

    however, i don't see 1 year+ for him

    it's not the same as a pitcher needing it on a throwing arm...hoping for the best though
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    I think you are correct. He would likely lose next season, or at least most of it. Geno is trying to sound optimistic that he won't need surgery, but we'll see what the MRI says.
    Damn. I know people want to give him shit for not always on his game but you'd rather have him than not. Don't hear this too often in hockey.
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    Not surprised. He clearly wasn't himself during the playoffs. Where did you read it was Tommy John?
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    Boo political stuff in the nhl thread! Boo, I say!
    Did you actually see that butt ass ugly logo?

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    I'd put Hedman closer to the top five.
    Agreed. I was just listing the best defensemen in the league in no particular order. Hell, people think Seabrook is under-rated due to the solid Chicago D corps but look at a guy like Hjalmarsson who gets virtually no attention despite the fact that he is one of the best pure defenders in the NHL.
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    Damn. I know people want to give him shit for not always on his game but you'd rather have him than not. Don't hear this too often in hockey.
    I think everyone knew he came back way early from his March injury and was playing fairly hurt. But I'd hate for him to lose a prime year of his career. I haven't heard of many athletes outside of pitchers getting Tommy John, so his elbow must have gotten severely jacked up in March.
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    Not surprised. He clearly wasn't himself during the playoffs. Where did you read it was Tommy John?
    Josh Yohe from DK on Pittsburgh Sports. Though maybe he's just using it as a general term for elbow surgery.
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    Did you actually see that butt ass ugly logo?

    Really? I think thats actually kind of a cool logo, could use a few tweaks but looks pretty sweet to me.
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    Old 06-16-2016, 11:56 AM   #40817
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    Good god this idea of PC gone crazy is vomit inducing: http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/qu...-crest-change/
    I used to think the Blackhawks sweater was pretty awesome until a Native American told me that they see the severed head of an ancestor.

    Since then, I haven't been able to unsee it his way. So I'm kinda OK with something different.
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    I think everyone knew he came back way early from his March injury and was playing fairly hurt. But I'd hate for him to lose a prime year of his career. I haven't heard of many athletes outside of pitchers getting Tommy John, so his elbow must have gotten severely jacked up in March.
    yea it was definitely from that awkward injury in March...was never the same after that...howver, that injury birthed the HBK line so i can't be too mad

    and let's not forget that Malkin tore his ACL and MCL a few years back. so this would be his 2nd major surgery meaning he's already missed a lot of his prime
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    yea it was definitely from that awkward injury in March...was never the same after that...howver, that injury birthed the HBK line so i can't be too mad

    and let's not forget that Malkin tore his ACL and MCL a few years back. so this would be his 2nd major surgery meaning he's already missed a lot of his prime
    to all of this. Definitely not complaining about the HBK line. I remember thinking the Pens were fucked upon reading about the Malkin injury. Then HBK happened and I thought, "Well, this is a nice development."
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    Bonino played with an Elbow infection in the final and had a bad fever. That sounds awful.


    Rutherford on goalies "In a perfect world we would like to keep Matt and Fluery."
    That sure sounds like they dont have many options and will probably have to do something with Marc-Andre.

    Its still hard for me to believe they wont stick with both guys at least through the trade deadline next year.
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    I used to think the Blackhawks sweater was pretty awesome until a Native American told me that they see the severed head of an ancestor.

    Since then, I haven't been able to unsee it his way. So I'm kinda OK with something different.
    i'm not sure why it's all of a sudden a "severed" head

    that's like saying the Fighting Irish logo reminds me of one of my drunken ancestor who drank himself to death during the potato famine

    it's a ridiculous jump to make
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    Bonino played with an Elbow infection in the final and had a bad fever. That sounds awful.


    Rutherford on goalies "In a perfect world we would like to keep Matt and Fluery."
    That sure sounds like they dont have many options and will probably have to do something with Marc-Andre.

    Its still hard for me to believe they wont stick with both guys at least through the trade deadline next year.
    aren't they still right up against the cap though? i mean, Lovejoy probably leaves and cashes in somewhere else. Matt Cullen probably retires. and we'll see about Shultz...but if they keep both guys they will have almost no wiggle room for additions via FA signing

    i guess Scott Wilson and Derek Pouliot step in
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    aren't they still right up against the cap though? i mean, Lovejoy probably leaves and cashes in somewhere else. Matt Cullen probably retires. and we'll see about Shultz...but if they keep both guys they will have almost no wiggle room for additions via FA signing

    i guess Scott Wilson and Derek Pouliot step in
    I guess GMJR also told Cullen he wants him back and to take his time deciding.

    And he made a comment about "Lovejoy deserves a raise." So I would guess that means he leaves town.

    I think they will find a way to sign Schultz. But regardless, im good with Pouliot and Wilson stepping in, not to mention Sprong who seems like he would excel in this system.
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    I guess GMJR also told Cullen he wants him back and to take his time deciding.

    And he made a comment about "Lovejoy deserves a raise." So I would guess that means he leaves town.

    I think they will find a way to sign Schultz. But regardless, im good with Pouliot and Wilson stepping in, not to mention Sprong who seems like he would excel in this system.
    and Sundqvist

    should be some healthy competition at camp which is good
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    and Sundqvist

    should be some healthy competition at camp which is good
    If Cullen is gone that is Sundqvist's spot to take. But yeah, lots of talented young forwards vying for just a few spots. Thats always a good thing,
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    I used to think the Blackhawks sweater was pretty awesome until a Native American told me that they see the severed head of an ancestor.

    Since then, I haven't been able to unsee it his way. So I'm kinda OK with something different.
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    i'm not sure why it's all of a sudden a "severed" head

    that's like saying the Fighting Irish logo reminds me of one of my drunken ancestor who drank himself to death during the potato famine

    it's a ridiculous jump to make
    This is so dumb.

    What does said Native American see when he/she sees these:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...s_logo.svg.png

    http://kccollegegameday.com/wp-conte...chiefOandR.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Braves.svg.png

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...hiefs_logo.svg

    http://montebellopaal.com/wp-content.../sdsu-logo.png
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    hard to argue with opinion but man, that list is a bit different than mine

    i would probably have Subban in the top 10, probably over Muzzin or Jones...Muzzin couldn't even find his way into the lineup as of 2014 so sample size is small...my list, in order:

    1. Doughty
    2. Letang
    3. Weber
    4. Keith
    5. Hedman
    6. Karlsson
    7. Klingberg
    8. Subban
    9. Burns
    10. Ekman-Larsson
    I agree that debating opinions is pointless but there is no way in hell Subban makes it near my top twenty. He is over-rated as hell, largely due to his postseason success. He averages a point ever other game, which I could overlook if he didn't average well over a penalty per game. He is not that great a skater and on defense he is mediocre at best. Lastly, he is one of those annoying players who show off with stupid gimmicks but lack the skill to back up his pretensions.

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    I used to think the Blackhawks sweater was pretty awesome until a Native American told me that they see the severed head of an ancestor.

    Since then, I haven't been able to unsee it his way. So I'm kinda OK with something different.
    I do not see that at all, in fact I view it more as a tribute than anything. The Blackhawks were founded by a major in the 86th infantry division (nicknamed the Blackhawk Division in honor of a fallen (KIA) member of the Sauk tribe) in WW1. Additionally, there is loads of history and traditions of the Sauk tribe in Illinois
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    Bonino played with an Elbow infection in the final and had a bad fever. That sounds awful.


    Rutherford on goalies "In a perfect world we would like to keep Matt and Fluery."
    That sure sounds like they dont have many options and will probably have to do something with Marc-Andre.

    Its still hard for me to believe they wont stick with both guys at least through the trade deadline next year.
    I expected them to keep both through this year but being right up against the cap, maybe they look to move MAF this summer. Give yourself that flexibility to add if needed. He's gone this summer or before the expansion draft next summer. Goalies aren't usually dealt at the deadline and unless you got a hell of a return why wouldn't you keep him through the playoffs just in case?
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    hard to argue with opinion but man, that list is a bit different than mine

    i would probably have Subban in the top 10, probably over Muzzin or Jones...Muzzin couldn't even find his way into the lineup as of 2014 so sample size is small...my list, in order:

    1. Doughty
    2. Letang
    3. Weber
    4. Keith
    5. Hedman
    6. Karlsson
    7. Klingberg
    8. Subban
    9. Burns
    10. Ekman-Larsson
    Ooh what an exciting topic for me.

    My Top 10 (and I don't like actual listed rankings, so you just get the whole group ):

    Weber
    Keith
    Doughty
    Suter
    Hedman
    Ekman-Larsson
    Letang
    Pietrangelo
    Karlsson
    Seabrook

    Honorable mention to (in other words 10-16):
    Klingberg
    Carlson
    Ekblad
    Vlasic
    Burns, when he gives a damn
    Hjalmarsson (he would maybe a top 5 if we were doing top 10 stay at home D-men)

    Subban wouldn't even enter my top 30.
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    I expected them to keep both through this year but being right up against the cap, maybe they look to move MAF this summer. Give yourself that flexibility to add if needed. He's gone this summer or before the expansion draft next summer. Goalies aren't usually dealt at the deadline and unless you got a hell of a return why wouldn't you keep him through the playoffs just in case?
    MAF has a no trade clause. Nobody knows if that means he's automatically protected in an expansion draft. If he is, and he's not your #1 guy then you are obviously losing a protection slot on someone who doesn't start; a protection that could go to someone else.

    If his no trade doesn't mean automatic protection and he gets drafted by the Las Vegas Glitz then you get nothing in return.

    There have been rumors his agent is going to request a trade this offseason.
    He has the highest value probably right now if you are committing to Murray as your guy.
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