*Prompter Thread* (NO personal attacks, NO trolling)

[trd1610]

Originally Posted by Climb2safety

If I can be critical of our African American brothers and sisters for a moment, I can’t believe they don’t come out stronger at election time.



Really seems like there’s plenty of racist shit going on, and police violence, and social safety new issues that directly effect them and their community and they choose to leave the fight to Caucasian SJWs.



What am I missing?

sorry to double post/annoy, and i don’t mean to be antagonistic, but i’d really like to push back on the following:

“Really seems like there’s plenty of racist shit going on, and police violence, and social safety new issues that directly effect them and their community and they choose to leave the fight to Caucasian SJWs.”

i agree there are a ton of issues we face today that directly and disproportionately impact the black community. but they don’t “leave the fight” to white people.

when black people raise issues, organize, or try to assert political power in communities they are often dismissed initially, if not continually. it’s not until small groups of white people begin to come around to, understand, or empathize with the problems, decide to exercise their political will, and bring along their communities, slowly but surely, that real traction and change occurs.

this has been true throughout american history, from abolition, to the civil war, reconstruction, jim crow, the civil rights movement, and through present day movements. it’s the reality of our country and the way race plays in its political power dynamics.

generally speaking, if it were up to or within the control of oppressed people to end their oppression, it would be done. but things operate on the time of those who hold the most political power.

i’d recommend reading the part of martin luther king’s “letter from birmingham jail” where he discusses the white moderate and how progress is made/impeded. (everyone should read the whole letter, both as we move past his birthday holiday and as we enter into black history month).

“What am I missing?”

i find often time people who express the sentiments you have aren’t necessarily tuned in that well, if at all, with ground organizing movements by these communities. or don’t read or consume a ton of information or perspectives from black historians, authors, journalists, or scholars. (to be clear, this isn’t something exclusive to a black/white dichotomy. this is as applicable to native, hispanic, asian, and gendered perspectives).

over the past few years that is something i’ve tried to improve greatly in my life, and have really helped in gaining a better understanding of the messy dynamics and history that is race/racism in america.

[ShotgunDMB]

Unemployment is below 4% why would we need a government subsidized “green” jobs program?

[ShotgunDMB]

Originally Posted by Route_2

As Shotty well knows the standard pattern is that a recession hits and then a Dem is elected to clean up the mess.

Lol? Bush inherited a recession. Reagan had one early in his term. Worked out pretty well.

[mdel21]

Originally Posted by smokew11

oh shotty don't ever change


no, I don't want that. I don't think students should be charged high interest rates for student loans. student loans are literally an investment in the economy. without them, the majority of Americans can't afford college, and an uneducated society can't succeed. There's no reason to charge students more than .5 or 1% to handle the overhead for servicing the loans.

I racked up about $40k in SL debt, right around the national avg. Didn;t get a French Lit degree, I earned a teaching degree, and graduated into the recession. No job for 2 years meant deferment on loans, which ballooned to over $53k in that time. Once I got a job, $300/month in interest ALONE meant not buying a car, not saving for a house, not investing, etc...you know, things that actually help the economy.

Rog said last week everyone can go to college without accruing debt. It's not that hard. We're all stupid for having debt!

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by ShotgunDMB

Many aspects of liberalism are bad, but this weird thing against individuals controlling their dollars instead of the gubmint is one of the worst.

Corporations are not individuals, Mr Romney.

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by ShotgunDMB

Unemployment is below 4% why would we need a government subsidized “green” jobs program?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=climate+change

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by ShotgunDMB

Unemployment is below 4% why would we need a government subsidized “green” jobs program?

To get ahead of the curve and create jobs for the future.

Instead, we got a tax cut during economic expansion that gave almost nothing to the middle class, and just had to subsidize farmers over a reckless, poorly-thought-out, trade war.

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by ShotgunDMB

Too early to say. Need more time and data

The unfolding stages of the GOP tax scam.

1. Every analysis says the tax cut will flop and won't help middle class

2. Republicans pass tax cut

3. It flops and doesn't help middle class

3.5. GOP losses bigly in midterms

4. "We need more time and data to understand why it flopped"

"conservatives".

[ShotgunDMB]

Originally Posted by cazzie34

it's not an either or just because you say it is.

Can you provide an example of something you want the government to do but currently isn't? But you live with that outcome because you are principled.

Thats a good question. Have to think about it.

I do know I would like competent schools and the roads not to suck. Also would like if millions of people weren’t allowed to come in, have babies and mooch off my tax dollars. Theyre 0 for 3 on 3 of my basic things govt should be competent at.

[ShotgunDMB]

Originally Posted by TheLastPig

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=climate+change

America leads the world in reducing carbon emissions.

[zajDmB1]

Originally Posted by TheLastPig

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=climate+change

It's a sham. As our president said last night:

“What the hell is going on with Global Waming? Please come back fast, we need you!”

Global. Waming.

[ShotgunDMB]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

Corporations are not individuals, Mr Romney.

Corporations are people are my friend.

Also corporations dont pay taxes. Every expenditure a business has is passed on to the consumer. Its why dopey shit like $15 burger flippers never works.

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by ShotgunDMB

America leads the world in reducing carbon emissions.

Cool, doesnt mean were doing enough. Nor does that have absolutely anything to do with subsidizing alternative energies to move us away from fossil fuels.

[ShotgunDMB]

Originally Posted by TheLastPig

Cool, doesnt mean were doing enough. Nor does that have absolutely anything to do with subsidizing alternative energies to move us away from fossil fuels.

Not an appropriate role of government. Separation of government and economy. Also its unneeded as we currently lead the world in fossil fuel production

[trd1610]

Originally Posted by ShotgunDMB

Not an appropriate role of government. Separation of government and economy. Also its unneeded as we currently lead the world in fossil fuel production

are you in favor of oil and farming subsidies?

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by ShotgunDMB

Not an appropriate role of government. Separation of government and economy. Also its unneeded as we currently lead the world in fossil fuel production

Some(a lot of) people care about the planet and the subsequent generations that follow. Leaving it to the free market to eventually reach just continues to harm our planet, and were already almost out of time.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...mark-un-report

[ShotgunDMB]

Originally Posted by trd1610

are you in favor of oil and farming subsidies?

No of course not

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by ShotgunDMB

Corporations are people are my friend.

Also corporations dont pay taxes. Every expenditure a business has is passed on to the consumer

It absolutely isn't.

[ShotgunDMB]

Originally Posted by TheLastPig

Some(a lot of) people care about the planet and the subsequent generations that follow. Leaving it to the free market to eventually reach just continues to harm our planet, and were already almost out of time.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...mark-un-report

How much of your liberty and $$$ are you willing you give away for something as uncontrollable as climate temperature.

[Benny003]

Originally Posted by ShotgunDMB

How much of your liberty and $$$ are you willing you give away for something as uncontrollable as climate temperature.

So when future generations ask us what our generation did to help leave them an environment that is habitable, what do you think we should tell them?

[mrignatious]

Originally Posted by Benny003

So when future generations ask us what our generation did to help leave them an environment that is habitable, what do you think we should tell them?

Principles dude. Principles.

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by ShotgunDMB

How much of your liberty and $$$ are you willing you give away for something as uncontrollable as climate temperature.

How am I giving away liberty so that green energy companies have a better chance to compete against big oil and natural gas?

Im willing for my tax dollars to go up slightly if thats what has to happen. Lets fix the tax mistake the GOP just made first before that though.

And what do you mean uncontrollable? Do you deny that man had any hand in climate change?

If youre prioritizing some money in your pocket over the fucking ground we stand on and the ones your children will inherit, well were just in fundamentally different universes. Im sure you didnt click the link, but we literally have 12 years to get this shit figured out or with the damage we've done it will already be too late.

[Route_2]

Germany should shut down all of its coal-fired power plants by 2038 at the latest, a government-appointed commission said on Saturday, proposing at least 40 billion euros ($45.7 billion) in aid to regions affected by the planned phase-out.

The commission’s plans are at the center of Germany’s strategy to shift to renewables, which made up more than 40 percent of the energy mix last year, beating coal for the first time.

The proposals of the coal commission, which were finalized after more than 20 hours of last-round talks, will serve as a guideline for the government in its effort to turn the planned exit from coal into law.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/26/germ...sil-fuels.html

[ShotgunDMB]

Originally Posted by Benny003

So when future generations ask us what our generation did to help leave them an environment that is habitable, what do you think we should tell them?

I don’t buy into hysteria and fear mongering. We should control what we can control. Strive to be cleaner, pollute less. Environmental conditions have improved dramatically in the U.S. over the past couple decades. We could go back to living like cavemen, but that’s not going to account for countries like India and China.

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by mrignatious

Principles dude. Principles.

'you kids get to live in a dangerous burning hellscape because great grandpa and his friends were too stubborn to even listen because it might have cost him a little bit of money"

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by ShotgunDMB

Thats a good question. Have to think about it.

I do know I would like competent schools and the roads not to suck. Also would like if millions of people weren’t allowed to come in, have babies and mooch off my tax dollars. Theyre 0 for 3 on 3 of my basic things govt should be competent at.

Originally Posted by ShotgunDMB

I don’t buy into hysteria and fear mongering. We should control what we can control. Strive to be cleaner, pollute less. Environmental conditions have improved dramatically in the U.S. over the past couple decades. We could go back to living like cavemen, but that’s not going to account for countries like India and China.

These two statements on the same page




Evidently you dont buy into facts either.

[mrignatious]

Originally Posted by TheLastPig

These two statements on the same page

he's in rare form today.

[Benny003]

Originally Posted by ShotgunDMB

I don’t buy into hysteria and fear mongering. We should control what we can control. Strive to be cleaner, pollute less. Environmental conditions have improved dramatically in the U.S. over the past couple decades. We could go back to living like cavemen, but that’s not going to account for countries like India and China.

1. If you're wrong that this isn't just "hysteria and fear mongering," then our children are completely fucked. I'm not sure how people like you can live with that thought.

2. Wind energy is one of the cheapest forms of energy even without tax credits and solar is coming down faster than wind did during it's development cycle. So renewable energy is cost effective and it might just save the planet for our species. What's the downside to investing in green energy?

3. America's role is to lead the world. It's part of being the "greatest country on Earth." Our leadership will get other countries to follow and it already has. India and China are building more renewable energy than the U.S.

[coldengrey12]

Stacey Abrams is gonna give the Dem response to the SOTU.

[ShotgunDMB]

Originally Posted by TheLastPig

These two statements on the same page




Evidently you dont buy into facts either.

Its literal fact that we have millions of illegal aliens in the country.