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Old 07-20-2020, 09:24 AM   #262321
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Y'all should grab the pitchforks because this comparison is gonna go over like a Kaepernick shirt at a Klan rally:

It sounds like Trump if he were a Democrat. "No, I don't hate the progressives. I'm the most progressive. We have an agenda. It's such a beautiful agenda. It's so tremendous. Nobody has ever been more progressive, OK? Nobody. Believe me, folks."

Oof. I respect your staunchness when it comes to your progressivism and your ideals more generally, but this is pretty disconnected with reality. I also know that you were (maybe) half-kidding?
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    Pres defends sending federal law enforcement to Portland and says other Democrat-run cities may be next. "We're not gonna let this happen to this country," he says of the urban violence, citing Chicago and NYC. He thinks politicians there are afraid of the agitators.


    https://twitter.com/markknoller/stat...959761413?s=21
    So they're basically using the protests as a Reichstag Fire-type event

    Not a false flag, but definitely in terms of weaponizing it as pretext to claim socialists and dangerous antifa super soldiers are plotting against the American government
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    And Democrats are already too far to the right for my liking.
    Let's be clear about this - the Democrats are to YOUR right. They are left of center on the political spectrum. You're further left than a huge majority of people in this country, and that's okay and that's within your rights. But because of that you have to understand that in this political universe that we all exist in, you have 2 choices - one party that gives you 75% of the things you want and like 10% of things you don't want; and another party which gives you like 1% of what you want and everything that you don't want.

    If you can't sift through that and figure out which one is a better option for your views, you're going to be politically miserable for a long time - and I certainly don't want you to feel that way

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    I understand it, but I don't like it.
    Why, specifically, don't you like it?

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    I want people from "the other side" to vote against Trump, but I also think Democrats should be careful.
    Have they not been careful? Are there specific instances where you can point to them not being careful?

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    The extent to which their eagerness to court Never Trumpers and cheer every single Project Lincoln ad does a tremendous job of alienating a progressive voting bloc
    In what way does it alienate the progressive voting bloc, specifically, other than "I don't like those people"?

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    The fact that some Democrats view progressives as extremists but think disaffected Republicans are their allies suggests to me that the party is moving to the right.
    I think SOME progressives are extremists - and the data would support that; especially on some of the issues that poll horribly with America. Being extreme doesn't always have to mean something sinister - you're just in the extreme of political views on some topics. I also happen to think there's issues where the Never Trumpers are extreme. But I still want as many people from both groups to vote for Joe Biden so we can start the healing process and begin to move forward as a nation and put Donald Trump behind us.

    Outside of courting voters from the right (and don't forget, the effort to court further left voters has been far more substantial - to date only the far left has gotten policy input for the platform, not dissatisfied Republicans) what evidence is there that the Dems have moved to the right one anything?

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    And maybe it is for this election cycle. But given the trends over the past 40 years, I feel like Democrats are once again gonna compromise to their right and then wind up becoming more conservative in the process.
    What are some examples of Dems moving to the right in the past 10 years?
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    Y'all should grab the pitchforks because this comparison is gonna go over like a Kaepernick shirt at a Klan rally:

    It sounds like Trump if he were a Democrat. "No, I don't hate the progressives. I'm the most progressive. We have an agenda. It's such a beautiful agenda. It's so tremendous. Nobody has ever been more progressive, OK? Nobody. Believe me, folks."

    But you don't have to take anyone's word for it (even Bernie's). Biden has his entire platform in writing. Have you read it? Maybe you need to read it:

    https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/

    And here's the Biden/Bernie 110pg platform charter: https://joebiden.com/wp-content/uplo...MENDATIONS.pdf
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    Old 07-20-2020, 09:29 AM   #262324
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    BREAKING: Suspect in shooting of judge's family found dead of apparently self-inflicted gunshot wound, multiple law enforcement sources tell @ABC News.

    The deceased suspect was an attorney who had a case before Judge Salas in 2015, sources say.

    https://twitter.com/abc/status/1285249452626923521?s=21
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    Colden, I know that's a lot to respond to. Here are my top 3 questions I'd like to get your input on

    1) How does courting a broad coalition of support alienate you, and what evidence is there that by appealing to Never Trumpers that the Dems have moved rightward (specific examples of policy, please)?
    2) On what issues have the Dems moved rightward since 2010?
    3) Have you read the entirity of Biden's platform, and have you read the 110pg unity taskforce recommendations (both are linked above)?
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    Old 07-20-2020, 09:38 AM   #262326
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    Old news, but still think it's funny.

    Trump like 2 weeks ago: "Biden's got dementia! He said 270M people had COVID!"

    Trump like 2 days ago: "1 point 8 million. That's 1 million 800 thousand million."
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    Old 07-20-2020, 09:38 AM   #262327
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    Homeland Security making plans to deploy some 150 agents in Chicago this week, with scope of duty unknown


    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...mpression=true
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    Trumps invading Chicago next.
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    BREAKING: Suspect in shooting of judge's family found dead of apparently self-inflicted gunshot wound, multiple law enforcement sources tell @ABC News.

    The deceased suspect was an attorney who had a case before Judge Salas in 2015, sources say.

    https://twitter.com/abc/status/1285249452626923521?s=21
    how convenient
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    Old 07-20-2020, 09:39 AM   #262329
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    Homeland Security making plans to deploy some 150 agents in Chicago this week, with scope of duty unknown


    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...mpression=true
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    Trumps invading Chicago next.
    Thought Obama was supposed to be the one invading states?!
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    Old 07-20-2020, 09:39 AM   #262330
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    I wouldn’t say Democrats have moved to the right. They’ve just been moving to the left at a snails pace compared to Republicans moving to the right, and do a terrible job firing up their base. I mean only 34% of Biden supporters are “extremely enthusiastic” about him.
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    Homeland Security making plans to deploy some 150 agents in Chicago this week, with scope of duty unknown


    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...mpression=true
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    Can we start making the Nazi Germany comparisons yet?
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    Old 07-20-2020, 09:45 AM   #262332
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    Oof. I respect your staunchness when it comes to your progressivism and your ideals more generally, but this is pretty disconnected with reality. I also know that you were (maybe) half-kidding?
    *Trump voice*

    I kid the most. Nobody kids more than me. Tremendous kidding. Tremendous.

    This is one of those "there's a grain of truth in every joke" moments for me. "Biden is the most progressive" is a phrase that really does make me roll my eyes

    So in the sense that that particular phrase sounds like an echo of Trump's doubling down on something that smells like obvious bullshit, I'm not kidding

    But, yes, I am also trying to have a little fun with it. If we can't laugh about this stuff once in a while, we'll go even madder than we already are
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    I wouldn’t say Democrats have moved to the right. They’ve just been moving to the left at a snails pace compared to Republicans moving to the right, and do a terrible job firing up their base. I mean only 34% of Biden supporters are “extremely enthusiastic” about him.
    Wouldn't you agree, though, that the bold is because the Dem base (and progressives) aren't reliable voters in midterm elections and at local levels - meaning the policy making is left to the hands of Republicans, which allows them to advance a rightward moving agenda more often than Dems can advance theirs?
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    Old 07-20-2020, 09:55 AM   #262334
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    DHS Acting Secretary on the pushback to their crackdown in Portland, Oregon: "I don't need invitations by the state, state mayors or state governors to do our job. We're going to do that whether they like us there or not."


    https://twitter.com/aliceollstein/st...055598594?s=21
    Don't step on the snake! crowd is real quiet. Imagine my shock
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    Old 07-20-2020, 09:56 AM   #262335
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    Wouldn't you agree, though, that the bold is because the Dem base (and progressives) aren't reliable voters in midterm elections and at local levels - meaning the policy making is left to the hands of Republicans, which allows them to advance a rightward moving agenda more often than Dems can advance theirs?
    Dems controlled the house and the senate the first 2 years under Obama, and besides Obamacare they didn’t really get much else passed.

    And then you have people like Hillary who support fracking and Pelosi who calls the Green New Deal the “green dream or whatever”. I mean let’s be real, the moderates dominate the democrats in the house, although more and more progressives are winning every year.
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    We need more moderates on both sides in office.
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    Dems controlled the house and the senate the first 2 years under Obama, and besides Obamacare they didn’t really get much else passed.
    A) you're underselling what a huge legislative hurdle the ACA faced B) you're also ignoring things like the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act and the stabilization of an economy in free fall.

    No offense, but this just seems similar to the discussion this weekend where you weren't aware of Biden's position on marijuana and claimed that he wanted to keep it on the same level as heroine. At some point it's on the voters to educate themselves. It is important that people do some of their own leg-work and read policies and proposals and follow what is passed.

    This also ignores that most partisan politics have far more effect at local levels. Think of all of the anti-choice shit the GOP passed at state levels over the past decade, local city officials refusing to comply with marriage equality, and governors refusing to expand Medicaid. The voters on the left simply weren't reliable in showing up for ALL elections, and their goals and policy objectives struggled as a direct result of that.

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    And then you have people like Hillary who support fracking and Pelosi who calls the Green New Deal the “green dream or whatever”.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/judecle...r-natural-gas/
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    As far as Pelosi and GND go - she articulated that she supports the energy behind it but the bill is unworkable. That's kinda the issue with Bernie and AOC (and to an extent, The Squad) - they're bad legislators. They have good and worthy goals, they're just bad at proposing and detailing how to get there. I wish the progressives would swap out Bernie and appoint Liz as their ideological leader; she knows how to legislate and write a good bill.

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    I mean let’s be real, the moderates dominate the democrats in the house, although more and more progressives are winning every year.
    If we're being "real", moderate Dems control the House majority because the majority of Americans that elected them are more moderately liberal than the loudest voices of AOC and her peers. And while yes there's been a few more progressives added, there's also been a larger number of moderates added. Moderates did quite well in 2018 where many progressive didn't. That is a reflection of where the majority of America is at. They lean left, but not THAT far left that.
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    Ooof Cuban is hammering Ted Cruz on twitter
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    Hope you are correct here, but I don't think so - Democrats will still be advocating the most liberal agenda ever proposed in American politics.
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    People can keep saying this, but it does not resonate with me
    What major political party nominee has ever advocated an agenda as liberal / progressive as the one Biden is advocating? Specifically please.
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    Ooof Cuban is hammering Ted Cruz on twitter
    Why does anyone care what a Canadian like Ted Cruz thinks / says?
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    What major political party nominee has ever advocated an agenda as liberal / progressive as the one Biden is advocating? Specifically please.
    I think the point cold is making, and they can certainly correct me if I'm misinterpreting, is that this is akin to telling POC that America is the least racist it's ever been. Which, yeah sure, that's technically correct. But it's still not what they have in mind for their worldview. It's just weird to constantly remind those on the far left that this is the most progressive it's ever been in a pretty conservative/moderate country. I would think that'd be true for every new dem president.

    Having said all that, I'm personally more on the moderate side and don't have many issues with Biden's positions (except for his stance on the reefer).
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    Why does anyone care what a Canadian like Ted Cruz thinks / says?
    He's not Canadian, he was born in Alberta.


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    Leave Beautiful Ted alone.
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    Daily Beast reporting that "men's rights activist" and lawyer Roy Den Hollander is suspected of shooting attack on the home of federal judge. https://t.co/bwfph8IdSo

    https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1...774221313?s=19

    Of course
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    Turns out the guy who attacked the judges family was a raging anti-feminist.
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    Daily Beast reporting that "men's rights activist" and lawyer Roy Den Hollander is suspected of shooting attack on the home of federal judge. https://t.co/bwfph8IdSo

    https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1...774221313?s=19

    Of course
    Wasn’t this guy on Opie and Anthony forever ago and eventually sued Jim Norton for essentially calling him a chicken fucker?
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    Why does anyone care what a Canadian like Ted Cruz thinks / says?
    Lee, this is one of the laziest and most inaccurate attacks on a guy with so many potential attacks. He's an American.
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    Daily Beast reporting that "men's rights activist" and lawyer Roy Den Hollander is suspected of shooting attack on the home of federal judge. https://t.co/bwfph8IdSo

    https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1...774221313?s=19

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    Its too late, though, because Epsteins name has already been linked to the Judge. Now we get to hear the spin on this one from the Alex Jones' of the world.
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    Daily Beast reporting that "men's rights activist" and lawyer Roy Den Hollander is suspected of shooting attack on the home of federal judge. https://t.co/bwfph8IdSo

    https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1...774221313?s=19

    Of course
    In addition to a raft of frivolous MRA lawsuits, the deceased suspect sued a large number of media organizations (invoking the hardly ever appropriate civil version of RICO) to try to win more favorable coverage for Donald Trump. https://t.co/TEUxnwMSG6

    https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/stat...937385990?s=19

    This country has a problem and it's not the protesters in portland. We just let this shit slide everyday for some reason.
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    Again, where do we go as a nation when if you don't fall in line with the left, there is public humiliation and violence? People are going to get fed up with this. And I don't say this as every person on the left, but it's becoming more and more lately.

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    Y'all ever pull back and see how much terror white supremacists are doing in this country and how we don't do anything to stop it?

    Like....I'm just blown away. If it were any other group it'd be all over the news all day everyday about how big of a problems this.
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    There is this big idea that republicans are the reasonable party and let Obama do things and now the Dems are being unreasonable and are holding trump/all republicans to a standard that the republicans do not hold democrats.

    Republicans think they have to be perfect otherwise Dems will pounce and it's an unfair standard because they don't require that of Dems.
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    Makes you think.
    It really makes you think.
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