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Old 03-29-2018, 12:27 PM   #76441
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Where is that money gonna come from?
Mexico will pay for it. Duh.
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    Where is that money gonna come from?
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    Mexico will pay for it. Duh.
    The same place all the money to arm and train teachers was gonna come from.
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    Is being a mean-spirited bully on the job requisition to be in air at Fox News?
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    That's my bad. I read it as 'don't' instead of 'do' in my mind.

    It's an apt comparison with rounding up undocumented immigrants. I wouldn't see the authorities going into homes and seizing weapons. The owners of such weapons would just be criminals going forward for possessing them. There would be a buy-back period and then after that it would be a secondary crime if found in possession.
    No worries on what you said, I have misread things plenty of times myself.

    In theory I support a buy back program but in reality the government always bungles it up. They short change the person turning over the weapon often paying out notably less than that person paid for the weapon. They also just plain screw up common sense on them, they pay out say 100 bucks for a handgun or 200 for a rifle and people exploit it by bringing in pistols and rifles that were made like 100 years ago or weapons that will not fire so they are paying for either obsolete or non-functional weapons. If they could get it right I would support it but their success rate is not exactly stellar.

    Lastly, we both know there are areas of this nation where the nearest police station is 15 to 30 minutes away (a lifetime if you are being attacked) so you are better off engaging the criminal at 50 yards with a few warning shots than you are waiting for an officer who will arrive to find you already dead and the criminal halfway into the next state.

    I know I have a bias but I obey all the applicable laws and do not really understand why I should be penalized for the actions of some random lunatic.
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    Old 03-29-2018, 12:45 PM   #76446
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    As for someone keeping their rifle past any buyback date becoming a criminal, since the local police forces largely do not have a list of people who own them why would they not just keep them locked up until the bill is repealed or expires like the one in 1994? If the authorities do not know you own one and you do not use it (except in random places in the boondocks) they would have no way to label you a criminal because they do not have the information of who owns what kind of firearms.
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    Old 03-29-2018, 12:47 PM   #76447
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    No worries on what you said, I have misread things plenty of times myself.

    In theory I support a buy back program but in reality the government always bungles it up. They short change the person turning over the weapon often paying out notably less than that person paid for the weapon. They also just plain screw up common sense on them, they pay out say 100 bucks for a handgun or 200 for a rifle and people exploit it by bringing in pistols and rifles that were made like 100 years ago or weapons that will not fire so they are paying for either obsolete or non-functional weapons. If they could get it right I would support it but their success rate is not exactly stellar.

    Lastly, we both know there are areas of this nation where the nearest police station is 15 to 30 minutes away (a lifetime if you are being attacked) so you are better off engaging the criminal at 50 yards with a few warning shots than you are waiting for an officer who will arrive to find you already dead and the criminal halfway into the next state.

    I know I have a bias but I obey all the applicable laws and do not really understand why I should be penalized for the actions of some random lunatic.
    Understood on all the counterpoints. There are definitely some logistical elements that would have to be worked through and really, given the current political environment, this is tantamount to a liberal utopian fantasy. But, it was not that long ago that the AWB was in place. You can disagree, but it was arguably effective. Many fewer mass shooting incidents than we are currently experiencing. Just thinking outloud.
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    As for someone keeping their rifle past any buyback date becoming a criminal, since the local police forces largely do not have a list of people who own them why would they not just keep them locked up until the bill is repealed or expires like the one in 1994? If the authorities do not know you own one and you do not use it (except in random places in the boondocks) they would have no way to label you a criminal because they do not have the information of who owns what kind of firearms.
    Yes, agreed on all that. They would have keep the weapons out of sight.
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    Is being a mean-spirited bully on the job requisition to be in air at Fox News?
    Well if Millennials would stand up to them being bullies, it wouldn't be an issue.
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    Old 03-29-2018, 12:52 PM   #76450
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    Special Counsel is probing Russia contacts at the 2016 Republican National Convention

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1H52VT

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    Another issue Mueller’s team has been asking about is how and why Republican Party platform language hostile to Russia was deleted from a section of the document related to Ukraine, said another source who also requested anonymity.
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    Cash for Clunkersesque
    Australia did a one-time only thing where they allocated I think like $500M.
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    Old 03-29-2018, 01:44 PM   #76452
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    Australia did a one-time only thing where they allocated I think like $500M.
    Which is a rounding error in our military budget.
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    Old 03-29-2018, 01:45 PM   #76453
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    Just give all those guns to the military. Two birds one stone
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    Wow this Laura Ingraham backlash is wonderful. Really fuels that schadenfreude.
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    She apologized like a cuck, too.
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    She apologized like a cuck, too.
    In the spirit of Holy Week she apologized but Holy Week didn’t stop her from making those comments in the first place.

    Not to mention her apology was really a veiled justification
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    She apologized like a cuck, too.
    I just saw an article I couldn't read bc of adblock, but it was basically "why the boycott will fail". To me it's like just get her to apologize for bein a dick. Mission accomplished.
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    Old 03-29-2018, 02:17 PM   #76458
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    In the spirit of Holy Week she apologized but Holy Week didn’t stop her from making those comments in the first place.

    Not to mention her apology was really a veiled justification
    Well yea, and all that too, I just felt like keeping my post short
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    Wow this Laura Ingraham backlash is wonderful. Really fuels that schadenfreude.
    Lovely and couldn't have happened to a nicer person.

    https://twitter.com/kombiz/status/979389835994681344

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    The seeds of the dispute were sown more than two months ago when Miss Polenz answered a classified ad to attend a Gay Students Association meeting and secretly tape-recorded it.

    The Review published excerpts that included people describing their sexual experiences and talking about their sexual identities.

    The newspaper has been criticized in the past for articles deriding blacks, women and minorities and is being defended by the civil liberties group against a libel suit filed by a black music professor.

    ......Laura Ingraham, editor of The Dartmouth Review.....
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    Understood on all the counterpoints. There are definitely some logistical elements that would have to be worked through and really, given the current political environment, this is tantamount to a liberal utopian fantasy. But, it was not that long ago that the AWB was in place. You can disagree, but it was arguably effective. Many fewer mass shooting incidents than we are currently experiencing. Just thinking outloud.
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    Yes, agreed on all that. They would have keep the weapons out of sight.
    Genuinely nice to have a civil debate on such a heated topic, I appreciate it. It is also nice to know that even people whom I generally disagree with on policy can understand my counterpoints. Now if only we could get congress to see reason and reach across the aisles to compromise or at least understand their opponents point of view, maybe that will happen sometime but I am not hopeful of that ever happening because the media on both sides fuels the fire and makes any negotiations even tougher than they should be.

    To me a compromise is a deal worked out where neither side is entirely happy with the deal. Would it not make sense for both sides to prioritize their key issues and compromise so they get some of what they want accomplished? We are just so polarized these days it is pathetic. Don't we deserve better representation in DC than we get for the most part from these damn clowns on both sides?

    Apologies for the delay, had to run to the bank and grab money to pick up a prescription. Cheers man, hope you enjoy a safe and fun Easter weekend.
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    Should I list the Obama era scandals for you?
    Haven't backread but did we get anything on this?
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    Haven't backread but did we get anything on this?
    He must still be working on his response to seeing the Vegas shooter's casino footage. Could be a while.
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    Haven't backread but did we get anything on this?
    Probably still searching Reddit for the post to copy/paste.
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    Be patient guys, Obama did have two terms
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    Aren't we still waiting on blaise to tell us about Pizzagate?
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    you almost have to admire his commitment to logging in once or twice a day and continuing to make bold claims with nothing to back them up.
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    you almost have to admire his commitment to logging in once or twice a day and continuing to make bold claims with nothing to back them up.
    He's learned that that behavior can get you places...like the white house.
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    lol blaise
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    ok I feel like I have to say something haha. blaise is banned
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