2014/2015 NFL Season

[YouNeverKnow25]

but that's teh whole question. how much faith do you have in manning not doing something like tearing his quad next season? I don't have much, or at least, much less than I have that wilson will stay healthy

[clayj41]

Originally Posted by kittensXLI

I think he clocks in at a solid #9.
Only Aaron, Peyton, Ben, Brees, Luck, Ryan, Romo, Brady ahead of him.
HUGE dropoff after Wilson and the #10 talent, though.

I can't put Matt Ryan ahead of him simply because of his almost complete lack of meaningful accomplishment, team or otherwise. The others are all correct.

[hailtopitt]

Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow25

would you rather have russell wilson for 2015 or peyton manning for 2015? no contract considerations, no future considerations, just for this next season.

I don't know. peyton p old

if they are both healthy then it's Peyton by miles

[Keyz]

Originally Posted by hailtopitt

if they are both healthy then it's Peyton by miles

isn't this something to consider?

[kittensXLI]

Tearing your quad is a p serious injury.
It's not as if he has a history of leg ailments.
If anything you should be concerned about his neck instead.

[hailtopitt]

Originally Posted by Keyz

isn't this something to consider?

yea, that's why i said it

[Keyz]

Originally Posted by hailtopitt

yea, that's why i said it

but given Peyton's most recent injury, you're not really considering it. you're acting as if they're both healthy (one isn't)

[YouNeverKnow25]

old people get injuries where they didn't have injuries before. it's a defining trait of old people, actually

[cruscott35]

This is why this thread is unbearable when it comes to QB talk. There are like 5 great QBs, 5 absolute shit/still don't know QBs, and then there's everyone else.

[hailtopitt]

Originally Posted by Keyz

but given Peyton's most recent injury, you're not really considering it. you're acting as if they're both healthy (one isn't)

Peyton will be healthy by September though...

[hailtopitt]

Originally Posted by cruscott35

This is why this thread is unbearable when it comes to QB talk. There are like 5 great QBs, 5 absolute shit/still don't know QBs, and then there's everyone else.

shut up dude

[Keyz]

Originally Posted by cruscott35

This is why this thread is unbearable when it comes to QB talk. There are like 5 great QBs, 5 absolute shit/still don't know QBs, and then there's everyone else.

so if Russell Wilson wins his 2nd Super Bowl in 3 years, he's still thrown in with everyone else?

[cruscott35]

Originally Posted by Keyz

so if Russell Wilson wins his 2nd Super Bowl in 3 years, he's still thrown in with everyone else?

In an NFL fantasy draft, how many players are picked before you get to him?

[DMBstandUP1984]

Originally Posted by cruscott35

In an NFL fantasy draft, how many players are picked before you get to him?

All players or just qbs?

[cruscott35]

Originally Posted by hailtopitt

shut up dude

Alright tough guy.

[cruscott35]

Originally Posted by DMBstandUP1984

All players or just qbs?

All players, knowing that the first 5 picks or so will no doubt be QBs.

[kittensXLI]

Originally Posted by clayj41

I can't put Matt Ryan ahead of him simply because of his almost complete lack of meaningful accomplishment, team or otherwise. The others are all correct.

Wilson's advantage is his legs obviously. Ryan can make every single throw and is much more accurate.
Team success or lack-thereof does not always reflect an individual's talent, which is often a skewed stance or opinion of lots of fans (not you; speaking generally).
But I do agree they both fall in the #6 to #9 range as far as QB talent goes.

It's easy (and wrong) to point to Julio and Roddy and say Ryan should win SBs.
But his OL has been poor and defense non-existent. With only a handful of pieces around him, the majority of QBs could only go so far. Very overlooked factors.
Example yes Luck is better and also had a better OL than Ryan, but with no run game and defense only so much "success" was/can be reached.

[Keyz]

wow, kittens dropping truth bombs

[DMBstandUP1984]

Originally Posted by Keyz

so if Russell Wilson wins his 2nd Super Bowl in 3 years, he's still thrown in with everyone else?

No ones putting Eli in any top qb list. But I'd pick Eli over Wilson in fantasy

[Keyz]

Originally Posted by DMBstandUP1984

No ones putting Eli in any top qb list. But I'd pick Eli over Wilson in fantasy

this comparison makes no sense, though.

2 SBs in 10 years is a lot different than a potential 2 SBs in 3 years.

[DMBstandUP1984]

Originally Posted by Keyz

this comparison makes no sense, though.

2 SBs in 10 years is a lot different than a potential 2 SBs in 3 years.

He won 2 in 4 years.

[cruscott35]

Originally Posted by Keyz

this comparison makes no sense, though.

2 SBs in 10 years is a lot different than a potential 2 SBs in 3 years.

What about 2 SB in 4 years?

[kittensXLI]

Originally Posted by cruscott35

This is why this thread is unbearable when it comes to QB talk. There are like 5 great QBs, 5 absolute shit/still don't know QBs, and then there's everyone else.

Originally Posted by kittensXLI

I think he clocks in at a solid #9.
Only Aaron, Peyton, Ben, Brees, Luck, Ryan, Romo, Brady ahead of him.
HUGE dropoff after Wilson and the #10 talent, though.

1-5
6-9
everyone else

Don't be butthurt that Stafford's strong arm is saving him from being one of the bottom "5 absolute shit QBs".

[Keyz]

Originally Posted by cruscott35

What about 2 SB in 4 years?

it's pretty clear i'm talking about their NFL careers.

[cruscott35]

Originally Posted by kittensXLI

1-5
6-9
everyone else

Don't be butthurt that Stafford's strong arm is saving him from being one of the bottom "5 absolute shit QBs".

I picked 5 as a completely arbitrary number, obviously it should be six, but Ryan and Romo aren't quite on the same level as the others.

[kittensXLI]

Originally Posted by DMBstandUP1984

No ones putting Eli in any top qb list. But I'd pick Eli over Wilson in fantasy

That's actually a supremely dumb move.

[cruscott35]

Originally Posted by Keyz

it's pretty clear i'm talking about their NFL careers.

Well, I guess you're expecting Wilson to keep winning SBs at a 66% clip.

[DMBstandUP1984]

Originally Posted by kittensXLI

That's actually a supremely dumb move.

Eli playing with Cruz and Beckham..all day.

[Keyz]

Originally Posted by cruscott35

Well, I guess you're expecting Wilson to keep winning SBs at a 66% clip.

so would you take Eli over Wilson in an NFL fantasy draft at this moment in time?

[Keyz]

Originally Posted by DMBstandUP1984

Eli playing with Cruz and Beckham..all day.

he was never talking about fantasy football...

NFL fantasy draft much different than fantasy football