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Old 11-30-2021, 07:07 PM   #241
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Definitely not into the idea of them only playing "The Sound on the Sound" festival in CT. Would this mean Mansfield is out too? Jones Beach?

I kind of find it hard to believe but I guess we will see.

For what it's worth, they could easily sell out Mohegan both nights in June and do this festival in September from a ticket sales standpoint.
I somehow think NH and Mansfield happen in 2022.
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    I know DMB just played Merriweather in Baltimore, but I do wonder when the renovations for Royal Farms Arena are done if DMB may play a show there at some point.

    https://www.baltimoresun.com/busines...kuq-story.html
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    Old 11-30-2021, 07:56 PM   #243
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    I somehow think NH and Mansfield happen in 2022.

    I agree 100% they aren't gunna do 3 shows in CT again like this year if you count farm aid. Farm Aid was only in CT because of venue availability in proximity to the Cambridge Mass HQ and high vaccination rate in CT making it a safe bet to host.

    The band will do NH and Mansfield and either 1 festival in southern ct or Mohegan X2 i don't see both happening for CT.
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    Old 12-01-2021, 12:10 AM   #244
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    FWIW the source of info for a SPAC rumor (7/8 and 7/9) also said that Foo Fighters would be playing SPAC on 7/19 and that the show would be announced today, both of which turned out to be legit.
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    Old 12-01-2021, 12:10 AM   #245
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    I remember Camden in 2018 and 2019. The lawn was practically dead, especially Friday.

    I know people don't want to hear it but PNC NJ sells VERY well.
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    I know the 3-day stand isn't the norm for the crew, but wouldn't a Fri-Sun make sense at Alpine in 2022 since the Fourth of July falls on a Monday??

    Seems like a no brainer to me. Regardless, it'd be nice to have that Monday off after a Fri-Sat at Alpine, but I'd take a Sunday show, as well.
    if anything, it would be sat-sun. they havent even been selling 2 nights at alpine that well the last few times they went there. theres no way they do 3 nights.
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    Old 12-01-2021, 02:01 AM   #247
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    I know DMB just played Merriweather in Baltimore, but I do wonder when the renovations for Royal Farms Arena are done if DMB may play a show there at some point.

    https://www.baltimoresun.com/busines...kuq-story.html
    Not a chance in hell they play royal farms for a summer tour. Indoor shows are limited and mostly in regions without an ampitheate. Also Merriweather is not in Baltimore or Baltimore County its in Columbia, MD which is in Howard County.
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    Old 12-01-2021, 08:14 AM   #248
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    I remember Camden in 2018 and 2019. The lawn was practically dead, especially Friday.

    I know people don't want to hear it but PNC NJ sells VERY well.
    Friday was definitely not as full as Saturday, but neither night was anywhere close to dead.

    And maybe the one night of PNC does sell better than either of the two nights in Camden, but they're definitely making way more over those two nights than they ever could at PNC.
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    Old 12-01-2021, 08:21 AM   #249
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    Definitely not into the idea of them only playing "The Sound on the Sound" festival in CT. Would this mean Mansfield is out too? Jones Beach?

    I kind of find it hard to believe but I guess we will see.

    For what it's worth, they could easily sell out Mohegan both nights in June and do this festival in September from a ticket sales standpoint.
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    I agree 100% they aren't gunna do 3 shows in CT again like this year if you count farm aid. Farm Aid was only in CT because of venue availability in proximity to the Cambridge Mass HQ and high vaccination rate in CT making it a safe bet to host.

    The band will do NH and Mansfield and either 1 festival in southern ct or Mohegan X2 i don't see both happening for CT.
    I wouldn't rule out Hartford in June and the festival in September. They did exactly the same thing with Camden and Sea Hear Now in 2019. It'll just come down to the band's contract with the venue, and I'm sure they have the power to insist that they play Hartford if they want to.
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    Friday was definitely not as full as Saturday, but neither night was anywhere close to dead.

    And maybe the one night of PNC does sell better than either of the two nights in Camden, but they're definitely making way more over those two nights than they ever could at PNC.
    These are the 2019 numbers

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    31,730 / 50,924
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    Selling 60% across 2 days is not good at all
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    if anything, it would be sat-sun. they havent even been selling 2 nights at alpine that well the last few times they went there. theres no way they do 3 nights.
    I'm considering trying to do Alpine if they announce. What's the play with accommodations there?
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    Old 12-01-2021, 09:28 AM   #252
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    if they do Alpine I might go too - it's on the list with Deer Creek.
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    Old 12-01-2021, 09:31 AM   #253
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    Alpine couldnít be a three nighter unless they take down total shows to increase demand. If I recall correctly, the two night stand is capable of a total of around 71,000 people and they didnít even have half that the last few times. Maybe Iím low on that but it was very close.
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    Alpine couldnít be a three nighter unless they take down total shows to increase demand. If I recall correctly, the two night stand is capable of a total of around 71,000 people and they didnít even have half that the last few times. Maybe Iím low on that but it was very close.
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    These are the 2019 numbers

    Camden NJ, June 14-15
    31,730 / 50,924
    $2,499,010

    Selling 60% across 2 days is not good at all
    Not great, but if anything those numbers prove my point. PNC Capacity is only 17,500, so those two nights in Camden are much closer to two sellouts at PNC than one.

    If they decide to move the two night stand to PNC then maybe you could assume they'd sell out both nights and do slightly better than they did in Camden in 2019. But they'd probably prefer to keep it in Camden and just push to sell at least 4,000 more tickets over the weekend since the ceiling is so much higher.
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    I'm considering trying to do Alpine if they announce. What's the play with accommodations there?
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    Wouldn't be surprised if they did 1 Night then 1 in Chicago.
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    Not great, but if anything those numbers prove my point. PNC Capacity is only 17,500, so those two nights in Camden are much closer to two sellouts at PNC than one.

    If they decide to move the two night stand to PNC then maybe you could assume they'd sell out both nights and do slightly better than they did in Camden in 2019. But they'd probably prefer to keep it in Camden and just push to sell at least 4,000 more tickets over the weekend since the ceiling is so much higher.
    Your point was that camden still sells well and the place wasnít empty. Not sure how those stats prove your point. Just cause 2 nights at Camden sells more than a night a PNC proves nothing. Itís not all just about # of tickets sold.

    Now what they should be doing is just play two nights at the Mann and be done with it.
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    - Get into the onsite lodge next door when rumor dates are up
    - Hotels a bit of a drive away
    - Camping
    Much obliged. Is there a fun camping scene a la Gorge? Asking because I'm not much of a camper, but Gorge was a blast and wouldn't mind a similar vibe if that is a thing. Otherwise, I'm much more of a Hampton Inn guy.
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    Your point was that camden still sells well and the place wasnít empty. Not sure how those stats prove your point. Just cause 2 nights at Camden sells more than a night a PNC proves nothing. Itís not all just about # of tickets sold.

    Now what they should be doing is just play two nights at the Mann and be done with it.
    I said it wasn't dead and that they still make more doing two nights in Camden than they do at PNC. Sure, we can define "dead" differently (I was on the lawn both nights and it didn't feel that way), but my second point is obviously true.

    The only reason to move to the Mann is if they care more about showing a sellout on paper than actually making money - they'd be guaranteed to sell about 4,000 fewer tickets than Camden 2019 and almost all of them would be pavs. I don't think thats the case, so it still seems like Camden is the best option of the three.
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    Much obliged. Is there a fun camping scene a la Gorge? Asking because I'm not much of a camper, but Gorge was a blast and wouldn't mind a similar vibe if that is a thing. Otherwise, I'm much more of a Hampton Inn guy.
    There's a Hampton Inn in Elkhorn that's not too far away but the resort is really the only option for walking distance. Delavan would have a few more hotels with a 15ish min drive.

    The resort will take reservations now with a small fee to cancel. IMO not a bad idea to grab a room all of 4th of July weekend now with that historically being a good bet (and it's a holiday weekend, last time they had a bike race on site taking up rooms)
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    I said it wasn't dead and that they still make more doing two nights in Camden than they do at PNC. Sure, we can define "dead" differently (I was on the lawn both nights and it didn't feel that way), but my second point is obviously true.

    The only reason to move to the Mann is if they care more about showing a sellout on paper than actually making money - they'd be guaranteed to sell about 4,000 fewer tickets than Camden 2019 and almost all of them would be pavs. I don't think thats the case, so it still seems like Camden is the best option of the three.
    Again, there is more to it than just ticket sales. Yeah, selling out a 15,000 seat venue could very well be better than selling 18,000 at a 30,000 seat venue, for various reasons.

    Pretty sure the band is getting about the same amount of money regardless
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    Where are you all getting these ticket sales statistics? I'd like to peruse.
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    Again, there is more to it than just ticket sales. Yeah, selling out a 15,000 seat venue could very well be better than selling 18,000 at a 30,000 seat venue, for various reasons.

    Pretty sure the band is getting about the same amount of money regardless
    Of course ticket sales are only part of the equation, but more tickets sold means more people spending money on merch, concessions, parking, and whatever else they're charging for at the venue. Maybe there is something that can outweigh all of that, but I don't know what it is and I haven't heard any suggestions.
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    Of course ticket sales are only part of the equation, but more tickets sold means more people spending money on merch, concessions, parking, and whatever else they're charging for at the venue. Maybe there is something that can outweigh all of that, but I don't know what it is and I haven't heard any suggestions.
    Maybe I am way off on this, but the band is getting a flat rate to play a venue. So the beer, parking, etc is all on the venue / promoter. Now of course the promoter is all about the money. Would they rather have DMB in for two nights that only have 60% attendance, or two bands come in and sell 80% over those two nights?

    I’m not saying that DMB has been told they aren’t welcome at Camden for 2 nights, but there’s a reason bands typically play at an appropriate sized venue, and selling only half capacity isn’t good for anyone. When it continues, changes are made.

    It’s also obvious the tri state area and pretty much the whole northeast is still saturated with shows. If the band consistently sees numbers dropping across the board in that area, would make sense to cut some stops (which has been happening for a while now). They aren’t typically gonna cut the stops that sell really well. Do you think Hartford is just a coincidence?
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    These are the 2019 numbers

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    Selling 60% across 2 days is not good at all
    These are the same numbers that happened in Burgettstown a decade ago and they went down to one night. No shame if Camden became the same.

    As long as the band wants to do 30-50 summer shows versus 15-20 they'll be doing more and more one night stands across a wide variety of cities versus 5-6 multi night runs exclusively.
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    Maybe I am way off on this, but the band is getting a flat rate to play a venue. So the beer, parking, etc is all on the venue / promoter. Now of course the promoter is all about the money. Would they rather have DMB in for two nights that only have 60% attendance, or two bands come in and sell 80% over those two nights?

    Iím not saying that DMB has been told they arenít welcome at Camden for 2 nights, but thereís a reason bands typically play at an appropriate sized venue, and selling only half capacity isnít good for anyone. When it continues, changes are made.

    Itís also obvious the tri state area and pretty much the whole northeast is still saturated with shows. If the band consistently sees numbers dropping across the board in that area, would make sense to cut some stops (which has been happening for a while now). They arenít typically gonna cut the stops that sell really well. Do you think Hartford is just a coincidence?
    I'm pretty sure the band does get a cut of concessions, but I'm certainly no expert. Obviously they also make a lot on merch too.

    We'll see what happens next year. They were planning on 2 nights in Camden this year, so they weren't ready to give up on it just yet. If they try it in 2022 and it gets any worse, I do agree that they'll probably try something different in 2023. Maybe a Friday/Saturday PNC > Camden run like they've done with Mansfield > Hartford in recent years (I think the change to Mohegan is an outlier since it's a casino and it was only one year so far)
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    I'm pretty sure the band does get a cut of concessions, but I'm certainly no expert. Obviously they also make a lot on merch too.

    We'll see what happens next year. They were planning on 2 nights in Camden this year, so they weren't ready to give up on it just yet. If they try it in 2022 and it gets any worse, I do agree that they'll probably try something different in 2023. Maybe a Friday/Saturday PNC > Camden run like they've done with Mansfield > Hartford in recent years (I think the change to Mohegan is an outlier since it's a casino and it was only one year so far)
    No clue on concessions, itís certainly a big money maker for the venue so Iíd guess that matters much more to their bottom line than the bands.

    I feel like the merch isnít a big deal when talking about a few thousand people. All the stuff that is only available at each specific stop sells out anyway (venue shirts, posters, whatever trinkets they are selling these days). Everything else you can buy online.

    My Hartford comment was more about them cutting back over the years, from 3 nights down to 1ÖMohegan definitely helps with their decision making. They just arenít able to draw fans in the area for all these stops anymore.
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    Where are you all getting these ticket sales statistics? I'd like to peruse.
    I think it requires a subscription to BILLBOARD, but PODIUMBOY has posted a ton of these here in the past; I search the forum on his user ID when I want to get the numbers for a show
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