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[sbuzzz]

Originally Posted by luccic12

Lonzo and Bledsoe both have 7 threes which is probably less likely than getting struck by lightning

math checks out

Originally Posted by Rodey

If you told me you could guarantee Zion never got hurt again, I'd probably trade Giannis for him.

Gosh you got a hard on for duke.

[Rodey]

Originally Posted by sbuzzz

math checks out



Gosh you got a hard on for duke.

It's a reasonable statement, Steve. He's going to be so good. He's probably 20-30 pounds overweight and still leaps and bounds more athletic than anyone on the floor. And his quickness is insane.

He operates so effortlessly and he's already a smarter player than Giannis will ever be.

[kydmb99]

Can’t believe how good Quickley has been in the NBA. Loved him in college but wasn’t sure how he’d translate at the pro level.

[sbuzzz]

Originally Posted by Rodey

It's a reasonable statement, Steve. He's going to be so good. He's probably 20-30 pounds overweight and still leaps and bounds more athletic than anyone on the floor. And his quickness is insane.

He operates so effortlessly and he's already a smarter player than Giannis will ever be.

He’s played about 40-50 games? And they haven’t been too great during those, have they?

I like what I’ve seen from him though, just a little pre-mature edukeulation on your part I think.

[Rodey]

Originally Posted by sbuzzz

He’s played about 40-50 games? And they haven’t been too great during those, have they?



I like what I’ve seen from him though, just a little pre-mature edukeulation on your part I think.

Wait, what? Zion or the Pelicans? If we're going to do that, the Bucks sucked too while Giannis was developing.

[justinandimcool]

trying something new and using all the data i compile for betting and turning them into scouts. been organizing them all today and yesterday to make watching even more engaging, don’t know where else to put it so:

Milwaukee 116 Charlotte 107
Pace: 100
Milwaukee and Charlotte will get tons of second chance points
Milwaukee and Charlotte will struggle getting to the line
Milwaukee will shoot tons of threes and struggle from midrange
Charlotte has had shooting luck with opponents missing 3s
Charlotte will get stops but struggle to score
Charlotte will struggle to score, get 3s off, weak at rim and midrange too will need transition points

Portland 124 Chicago 117
Pace: 101.5
Portland will force Chicago turnovers while committing none
Portland will take and make tons of above the break 3s
Portland will win FT battle
Chicago will rebound
Chicago will take and make tons of corner 3s and midrange shots
Neither team will attack the rim

Houston 111 New Orleans 108
Pace: 102
Houston will slightly force more turnovers
Houston will slightly get to the line more
Houston will score from 3 and at the rim
New Orleans will slightly win the rebound battle
New Orleans will struggle from 3 and from long mid
New Orleans will need to rely on short mid primarily/or transition


Lakers 111 Boston 108
Pace: 99
Lakers will win rebounding battle
Lakers will win free throw battle
Lakers will get to the rim but may not get good midrange or long shots
Lakers will guard 3s and midrange
Boston has to score at the rim and get lucky with long shots/transition
Both teams will force turnovers

San Antonio 105 Memphis 101
Pace: 99
San Antonio will force turnovers
Can Memphis continue to force turnovers with San Antonio being elite taking care of the ball?
Both teams will struggle to score; San Antonio may have easier time scoring if midrange continues to fall
San Antonio will take away jump shots
Memphis has to get to the rim or get lucky with long shots/transition
San Antonio will shoot midrange; struggle to shoot threes and get to rim
San Antonio will slightly win the rebound battle

Dallas 117 Phoenix 114
Pace: 97.5
Both teams will take care of the ball;
Both teams will get defensive boards
Both teams will get to the line
Dallas will score fairly easily
Phoenix will concede midrange- will Dallas take midrange shots or continue to hit 3s and score at the rim?
Phoenix will struggle to get stops
Phoenix will score well at the midrange and rim
Phoenix will struggle to get 3s

Golden State 117 Detroit 107
Pace 100.5
Detroit will win turnover and rebound battle
Detroit will struggle to score in the halfcourt; will need luck from long shots and transition
Detroit has been conceding 3s and opponents have had bad luck with 3s; Golden State will take advantage and hit 3s if given to them
Detroit will force turnovers
Golden State will rely on midrange and above the break 3s
Golden State will slightly win free throw battle

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[sbuzzz]

Originally Posted by Rodey

Wait, what? Zion or the Pelicans? If we're going to do that, the Bucks sucked too while Giannis was developing.

Is it fair to compare the #1 pick who was destined to save a franchise to a supposed reach who was not supposed to come over for years and when or if he did he would be a success if he became a rotation player?

[justinandimcool]

Chicago crazy comeback! they really missed Satoransky. Markkanen helped too surprisingly

loving this battle of wills in Boston

[Rodey]

Originally Posted by sbuzzz

Is it fair to compare the #1 pick who was destined to save a franchise to a supposed reach who was not supposed to come over for years and when or if he did he would be a success if he became a rotation player?

Zion was expected to come in and save the franchise 40 games in? Weird. I simply made an observation and you were the one who brought in team success.

Zion's potential is through the roof. Giannis seems to be hitting a wall. Right now it's hard to say he's much more than prime Dwight Howard, if I'm being totally honest. And that's not really a knock, prime Dwight was great.

[justinandimcool]

Zeller poster/charge sequence was incredible

such a good player

[justinandimcool]

Tatum pass omg

[justinandimcool]

Lavine a killer in the clutch this year

[justinandimcool]

Lillard for the win omg epic epic epic omg

[Rodey]

Fully ready to fire Bud. Every night is a team shooting like crazy because they're wide open.

[BotheLaneFan]

I think Marcus Smart just popped his Achilles. Oh fuck.

[BotheLaneFan]

Originally Posted by Rodey

Fully ready to fire Bud. Every night is a team shooting like crazy because they're wide open.

Who would you have replace him?

[Rodey]

Originally Posted by BotheLaneFan

Who would you have replace him?

That's the thing. I have no idea. I guess I'd give someone like Chris Finch a shot. Maybe Kenny Atkinson.

I don't hate Bud, but it's literally the same thing that's happening every night on defense.

[justinandimcool]

these losses were bad but Charlotte is a mediocre three point shooting team and New Orleans is horrible. in both games Milwaukee suffocated the opponent at the rim. the scheme conceded the right shots, given the opponent who both excel in the paint. i get it might look annoying to the naked eye if shots are falling but i’m not sure another coach does it any differently

[justinandimcool]

speaking of shooting luck, Memphis is dicking us on it smh

[justinandimcool]

Schroeder clutch!!

[justinandimcool]

Tre Jones and Tyus Jones first minutes against each other awww


so many brothers now even though there’s only one Gasol/Plumlee nowadays

Ball, Curry, Lopez, Holiday, Antetokuonmpo, Jones, Morris, Martin, McDaniels

[Lee3691]

Titletown beats Boston!

[justinandimcool]

lol that ending was awesome

was 110% sure Caruso would steal that

they really need Walker to not stink like this moving forward

[Rodey]

Originally Posted by justinandimcool

these losses were bad but Charlotte is a mediocre three point shooting team and New Orleans is horrible. in both games Milwaukee suffocated the opponent at the rim. the scheme conceded the right shots, given the opponent who both excel in the paint. i get it might look annoying to the naked eye if shots are falling but i’m not sure another coach does it any differently

Conceding open threes is not a good scheme.

[justinandimcool]

agree to disagree, i’ve seen New Orleans lose a ton just from that scheme (like tonight)

Charlotte requires a little more imagination given how balanced they are, ill give ya that. but they protected the rim and Charlotte hit shots more than they’re used to, so i’ll give myself that

[justinandimcool]

Originally Posted by justinandimcool

trying something new and using all the data i compile for betting and turning them into scouts. been organizing them all today and yesterday to make watching even more engaging, don’t know where else to put it so:

Milwaukee 116 Charlotte 107 Charlotte 126 Milwaukee 114
Pace: 100 98.5
Milwaukee and Charlotte will get tons of second chance points nope, both defensively rebounded well
Milwaukee and Charlotte will struggle getting to the line yep
Milwaukee will shoot tons of threes and struggle from midrange yep
Charlotte has had shooting luck with opponents missing 3s Milwaukee hit them
Charlotte will get stops but struggle to score got decent stops but mostly took care of the ball on their own and def did not struggle to score
Charlotte will struggle to score, get 3s off, weak at rim and midrange too will need transition points nope they got plenty of 3s off

Portland 124 Chicago 117 Portland 123 Chicago 122
Pace: 101.5 93.5
Portland will force Chicago turnovers while committing none yep
Portland will take and make tons of above the break 3s yep
Portland will win FT battle slightly
Chicago will rebound yep
Chicago will take and make tons of corner 3s and midrange shots definitely corner 3s, Portland took away midrange
Neither team will attack the rim yep; Portland attacked slightly more; the difference was Portland hitting way way better than average from midrange

Houston 111 New Orleans 108 Houston 123 New Orleans 112
Pace: 102 105
Houston will slightly force more turnovers New Orleans forced slightly more actually
Houston will slightly get to the line more New Orleans got there slightly more actually
Houston will score from 3 and at the rim yep insanely well
New Orleans will slightly win the rebound battle yep
New Orleans will struggle from 3 and from long mid shot great from midrange, poor from 3
New Orleans will need to rely on short mid primarily/or transition they did well from midrange just didn't take enough; took too many 3s and shots in the paint where they struggled


Lakers 111 Boston 108 Lakers 96 Boston 95
Pace: 99 93.5
Lakers will win rebounding battle yep
Lakers will win free throw battle slightly
Lakers will get to the rim but may not get good midrange or long shots did not get to the rim; did not get good 3s; did most of their damage from the midrange
Lakers will guard 3s and midrange they guarded the 3 but mostly conceded midrange- Boston didn't take advantage
Boston has to score at the rim and get lucky with long shots/transition they scored at the rim, but long midrange and 3s did not fall
Both teams will force turnovers yep

San Antonio 105 Memphis 101 Memphis 129 San Antonio 110
Pace: 99 98.5
San Antonio will force turnovers nope
Can Memphis continue to force turnovers with San Antonio being elite taking care of the ball? they forced enough to make San Antonio average rather than elite
Both teams will struggle to score; San Antonio may have easier time scoring if midrange continues to fall Memphis did not struggle to score lol
San Antonio will take away jump shots nope; Memphis got tons of midrange and corner 3
Memphis has to get to the rim or get lucky with long shots/transition nope; most damage was from midrange and corner 3
San Antonio will shoot midrange; struggle to shoot threes and get to rim midrange did not fall; they got to the rim and shot poorly; they shot well from 3 but didn't shoot enough
San Antonio will slightly win the rebound battle nope

Dallas 117 Phoenix 114 Phoenix 111 Dallas 105
Pace: 97.5 96.5
Both teams will take care of the ball; Phoenix did; Dallas did not
Both teams will get defensive boards Phoenix did; Dallas did not
Both teams will get to the line Phoenix did; Dallas did not
Dallas will score fairly easily yep
Phoenix will concede midrange- will Dallas take midrange shots or continue to hit 3s and score at the rim? They chose to attack the midrange and did great; hit some 3s and rim at low volume
Phoenix will struggle to get stops Yep except Dallas shot poor from 3
Phoenix will score well at the midrange and rim Midrange good, rim bad
Phoenix will struggle to get 3s Yep

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Really enjoyed this; I've always kinda done it in a notebook but super willy nilly and not organized like this. I'll prob do it sometimes and share once in a while on nights I'm locked in- really helped me organize my brain watching so many games at once. Definitely helps getting more of an objective feel of the game.

[Rodey]

Originally Posted by justinandimcool

agree to disagree, i’ve seen New Orleans lose a ton just from that scheme (like tonight)

Charlotte requires a little more imagination given how balanced they are, ill give ya that. but they protected the rim and Charlotte hit shots more than they’re used to, so i’ll give myself that

You're not going to win anything when you're one of the worst teams in the league defending the three.

[justinandimcool]

for the two games I'm for sure watching tomorrow-

Clippers 108, New York 107
Pace: 97
Clippers will take care of the ball and force turnovers- will likely be the difference in the game
Both teams will get to the line
Both teams will rebound
Clippers love the midrange and New York takes it away
Will Clippers rely more on 3s or drives? Likely 3s as New York protects the rim well; Clippers shoot 3s well
New York will rely on midrange and shots at the rim; Clippers protect the rim well but concede midrange; will New York take advantage?

Utah 117, Denver 110
Pace: 97
Denver will take care of the ball and force turnovers
Utah will win the rebound battle slightly
Both teams will struggle getting to the line (they don't foul and they aren't aggressive)
Utah will attack from corner 3s and make them- if they're shoot at their normal clip it will be the difference in the game
Utah will take away corner 3s at an elite level
Denver will have to rely on midrange and shots at the rim where they are above average, but Utah protects the rim super well

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[justinandimcool]

Originally Posted by Rodey

You're not going to win anything when you're one of the worst teams in the league defending the three.

I mean sure you can, you just have to excel in other things. The Clippers and Denver are right there at the bottom too as far as allowing 3 point shots. Granted they haven't won anything either but they're both really good and use the same scheme.

I'm not saying you're wrong, they for sure should mix it up. The "funnel everything to the midrange" might work but it may allow more drives and give more fouls. Lots of great teams do it and lots of bad teams do it. Same with the "switch everything" defense. We both know Milwaukee doesn't have the personnel to try that too much.

I say it helps to do other things well too though; turnovers and bricking literally every midrange shot killed Milwaukee tonight and that's not on the coach

[Rodey]

I actually think they have the personnel to switch everything when Portis is on the floor instead of Lopez. They're just not good at it right now because they rarely do it.

The one constant in almost all of their losses is the other team torching them from three because of all the open looks. At some point you can no longer just throw your hands up and say, "well, they got hot from three!" This is the NBA. Players are going to hit wide open shots.