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Old 03-04-2017, 05:09 PM   #15031
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According to what I've heard and read, I can't even visit Canada let alone move there illegaly.
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    As always, the conversation should just go to seeing if there's a net gain or net loss for the country, financially speaking, re: illegals.

    Conservatives would have a much better case if there was a study that showed, 'look, for all the work they do/contribute to the economy, factors 1, 2, and 3 add up to costing us more.' There'd still be pushback sure, but then it wouldn't feel like such a purely emotional thing.

    As it stands, the problem is it just sounds like a bunch of xenophobic people yelling to get foreigners out of the country. Sure that is part of it, but we all know plenty of right-wingers do just want people to abide by laws, pay tax, etc. Which is fine. But there's a very strong chance we all actually benefit to some degree. Especially now when you factor in the money needed to enforce stricter laws.
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    So those March 4 Trumps were huge right? Biggest rallies ever?
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    I heard tens of people showed up.
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    Old 03-04-2017, 05:17 PM   #15034
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    According to what I've heard and read, I can't even visit Canada let alone move there illegaly.
    DWl?????
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    Old 03-04-2017, 05:20 PM   #15035
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    As always, the conversation should just go to seeing if there's a net gain or net loss for the country, financially speaking, re: illegals.

    Conservatives would have a much better case if there was a study that showed, 'look, for all the work they do/contribute to the economy, factors 1, 2, and 3 add up to costing us more.' There'd still be pushback sure, but then it wouldn't feel like such a purely emotional thing.

    As it stands, the problem is it just sounds like a bunch of xenophobic people yelling to get foreigners out of the country. Sure that is part of it, but we all know plenty of right-wingers do just want people to abide by laws, pay tax, etc. Which is fine. But there's a very strong chance we all actually benefit to some degree. Especially now when you factor in the money needed to enforce stricter laws.
    I read an article not too long ago that studied this and concluded that illegal immigration drives down salaries for the entire working class in any country but I can't look it up now. (Gotta walk my dumb dog and then it's on to Duke/UNC.)

    Anyway, you can try to google it if you'd like. I'm pretty sure it was from a legit news org as well. I honestly just can't recall.
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    Old 03-04-2017, 05:22 PM   #15036
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    DWl?????
    I'm not going to discuss my non-violent crimes. Around these parts, they're not crimes!!

    Aaaaannnndddd.....Let's just say that "DWI's" don't technically exist in IL.
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    Old 03-04-2017, 05:23 PM   #15037
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    It's not a matter of "going back" to anything. How about just enforce the damn laws, and secure our border like every other sovereign nation does?
    Sure. But the laws regarding how we let people in and the # of people we let in suck.

    If employers didn't hire illegals they wouldn't be here!
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    Old 03-04-2017, 05:24 PM   #15038
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    I read an article not too long ago that studied this and concluded that illegal immigration drives down salaries for the entire working class in any country but I can't look it up now. (Gotta walk my dumb dog and then it's on to Duke/UNC.)

    Anyway, you can try to google it if you'd like. I'm pretty sure it was from a legit news org as well. I honestly just can't recall.
    Weird, I just read an article that posited the exact opposite, at least for blue-collar jobs.

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    I read an article not too long ago that studied this and concluded that illegal immigration drives down salaries for the entire working class in any country but I can't look it up now. (Gotta walk my dumb dog and then it's on to Duke/UNC.)

    Anyway, you can try to google it if you'd like. I'm pretty sure it was from a legit news org as well. I honestly just can't recall.
    See, that'd be a very valid argument. I bet you it does for sure within certain areas (and then we get into the conversation about americans doing the work that it looks like we just had in here), but across the board? I dunno, maybe.

    I'll probably look it up in a bit.
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    Fast and furious started in 2006 and then the hubalou was about what Holder knew.


    That's not what the meme says
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    Old 03-04-2017, 05:36 PM   #15041
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    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=45908106

    Oh snap trouble in paradise
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    Marching for a president is pretty creepy, IMO. Plus, you don't really need to march when you are on the winning side.
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    Agreed, 100%. Amnesty has been tried and doesn't work.
    You're from Chicago, right...I'm sure you have noticed the effects of illegal immigration, and it ain't pretty.
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    Marching for a president is pretty creepy, IMO. Plus, you don't really need to march when you are on the winning side.
    this. I was really confused about this whole thing
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    Old 03-04-2017, 05:58 PM   #15045
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    As long as Trump is better than Bush, Clinton and Obama on immigration, that'll be a step in the right direction. Mexico was never going to pay for the wall, any rational person knew that. I'm fairly hawkish on immigration and would like to see a wall along with more border enforcement and increased deportations. Lot of special interests get in the way of us dealing with the issue rationally, the corporatist Republicans want the cheap labor, the Democrats want more poor, marginalized people to vote for them.
    Ask and ye shall receive - http://www.foxnews.com/us/slideshow/...tands-now.html

    We have a lot of fencing and wall sections already. Do you think it's actually reasonable and feasible to construct a wall through bodies of water, over mountains, and across privately held lands?

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    Marching for a president is pretty creepy, IMO. Plus, you don't really need to march when you are on the winning side.
    Sorest winners ever
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    Old 03-04-2017, 06:20 PM   #15046
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKeFXs8a0Xk

    Bush is a likeable guy. He's my dude.
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    Weird, I just read an article that posited the exact opposite, at least for blue-collar jobs.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...334_story.html
    That's in Mexico, not the U.S., at least that's how I read the article.
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKeFXs8a0Xk

    Bush is a likeable guy. He's my dude.
    He is a likeable dude. He was a crappy POTUS and Cheney probably lead him astray and ruined his presidency, but his work on AIDS goes far too unnoticed.

    He's father is a god damn American hero
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    Bush killed a million people but he's personable on Ellen so ok
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    He was a right wing nut. Sorry bud.
    Amnesty, ballooned the debt, massively grew size of government...but you're right...something something bold colors not pastels....
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    According to what I've heard and read, I can't even visit Canada let alone move there illegaly.
    Visited Montreal last summer... my favorite city. Even had to try the healthcare for sick kid.....was amazing.
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    Bush killed a million people but he's non-viloent on Ellen so ok
    Fixed your post.
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    Visited Montreal last summer... my favorite city. Even had to try the healthcare for sick kid.....was amazing.
    That's not the point and you know that but wahtevs.

    I mean, if they had open borders I could go there and spend money but I guess that's not their bag.

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    Fixed your post.
    sure yeah
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    Conan the Barbarian was made with Arnold in 1982 and Arnold resigned from The Apprentice in 2017 because of "1984".

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    As always, the conversation should just go to seeing if there's a net gain or net loss for the country, financially speaking, re: illegals.

    Conservatives would have a much better case if there was a study that showed, 'look, for all the work they do/contribute to the economy, factors 1, 2, and 3 add up to costing us more.' There'd still be pushback sure, but then it wouldn't feel like such a purely emotional thing.

    As it stands, the problem is it just sounds like a bunch of xenophobic people yelling to get foreigners out of the country. Sure that is part of it, but we all know plenty of right-wingers do just want people to abide by laws, pay tax, etc. Which is fine. But there's a very strong chance we all actually benefit to some degree. Especially now when you factor in the money needed to enforce stricter laws.
    Absolutely. Very well put.
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    sure yeah
    And I did it pro-bono unlike some union guy.
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    That's not the point and you know that but wahtevs.

    I mean, if they had open borders I could go there and spend money but I guess that's not their bag.
    you can go there
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    Thank goodness for Alex Jones. At least we can laugh

    https://www.facebook.com/vicenews/vi...9754561851163/
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    My buddy saw Alex Jones at a Wal-Mart here in Austin. True story.
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