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Old 01-03-2016, 08:27 PM   #361
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just finished the 2nd episode, that was tough
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    Watching ep5. When Bobby testifies to the conversation that is the subject of so much controversy in the episode, where everyone can apparently see that he didn't hear that because of the timeline; why didn't they show the defense cross of him? Did the defense not ask him why he never told anyone about that, ever, until that moment? Seems like he could have been embarrassed on the stand; especially given his gene pool.


    Or did the defense let it go, and try to fight it via motions, because having him say it more times would have done more harm?
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    Old 01-03-2016, 11:08 PM   #363
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    So these guys tried to hide the car with a couple little tree branches instead of crushing it down into a cube? I mean, I know they're all borderline retarded, but they're also junkers. You'd think the first fucking thing they'd do with a car they didn't want found would be to crush it down.


    Oh, but God guided her to the car. Lolz.
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    So these guys tried to hide the car with a couple little tree branches instead of crushing it down into a cube? I mean, I know they're all borderline retarded, but they're also junkers. You'd think the first fucking thing they'd do with a car they didn't want found would be to crush it down.


    Oh, but God guided her to the car. Lolz.
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    wheres the blood?
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    Old 01-04-2016, 06:17 AM   #366
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    they bring that up I think. that owning and operating a salvage yard is an ideal situation for someone who just committed murder, but they don't do the obvious thing and crush the car
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    they bring that up I think. that owning and operating a salvage yard is an ideal situation for someone who just committed murder, but they don't do the obvious thing and crush the car
    well, if the police crushed it how would it be used as evidence???
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    Interesting that the petition has reached more than 122,000 signatures to have SA pardoned. Of course, that'd mean he'd have be admitted to being guilty to be pardoned but nonetheless, I think the White House has to respond if it reaches 100,000 signatures. I'm very curious where the story will go now.
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    this show is heartbreaking. I don't typically enjoy csi, criminal minds, etc., but this one hooked me.
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    Old 01-04-2016, 08:51 AM   #370
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    just started Man/Castle

    how do you guys rate it?
    That show is on Amazon Prime, not Netflix. Get your shit together!!

    I thought it was very good.

    If there is a second season, it probably won't be out for two years.
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    That show is on Amazon Prime, not Netflix. Get your shit together!!

    I thought it was very good.

    If there is a second season, it probably won't be out for two years.
    It's been confirmed for a second season with a 2016 release date.
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    Old 01-04-2016, 09:30 AM   #372
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    Glad that's it's been renewed. I read an article about two weeks ago that said it wasn't officially renewed yet.
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    Watching ep5. When Bobby testifies to the conversation that is the subject of so much controversy in the episode, where everyone can apparently see that he didn't hear that because of the timeline; why didn't they show the defense cross of him? Did the defense not ask him why he never told anyone about that, ever, until that moment? Seems like he could have been embarrassed on the stand; especially given his gene pool.


    Or did the defense let it go, and try to fight it via motions, because having him say it more times would have done more harm?
    i think that's the main thing they did. since the timeline didn't make sense, the defense tried to make the statement completely admissible and i don't remember how that went. assuming the judge said hell no based on the way he was during the trial.
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    So these guys tried to hide the car with a couple little tree branches instead of crushing it down into a cube? I mean, I know they're all borderline retarded, but they're also junkers. You'd think the first fucking thing they'd do with a car they didn't want found would be to crush it down.


    Oh, but God guided her to the car. Lolz.
    i was so pissed
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    On the 3rd episode of MaM and I don't understand what the controversy is. Dude is guilty as hell.
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    On the 3rd episode of MaM and I don't understand what the controversy is. Dude is guilty as hell.
    based on?
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    Last person to see her. Body found burnt on the property. Inbred family. His conversations denying it to his family are circular and they aren't willing to press, probably because they know he did it. His wife was in prison during the time. He and the 16 year old had a bonfire until at least 9PM the night of where the body was found.

    There are definite problems with the investigation, but what murder investigations are perfect? It sure seems like a lot of high profile cases have problems with the evidence, how it was collected/maintained. Did they set him up and murder this woman and plant her on his property? I seriously doubt it. Did they do some shady things to try to solidify the case? It sure looks like it. But more importantly than that, it still looks like he did the actual crime. Steven Avery's crimes are far greater than the authorities crimes.
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    Inbred family.... great point Gene Parmesan.
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    I'm actually of the super hot take that he did it AND was framed
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    http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/enh...5999599-41.gif

    The only thing that really bothered me about the series was the lack of evidence indicating that he did do it. I read some articles about a few very important facts that were conveniently omitted from the narrative.
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    But, as we all know, the standard for conviction is "beyond a reasonable doubt". Based on what we know, I don't think any reasonable person could look at all the facts and at least think that there was a chance he didn't do it. Brandon's brother and I think step-dad/Barb's boyfriend seemed sketchy as hell. It was also kind of bullshit how the defense wasn't able to suggest alternative suspects.
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    they bring up the bleaching. they have some evidence guy up there saying that it would have been extremely difficult for him to scrape all dna from the scene, and they didn't really find any dna evidence that they would expect with how much blood brendan said there was
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    Yeah, I remember them bringing up bleaching, but they never mentioned Brendan's jeans having stains all over them from what I remember. That was the one thing that seemed too difficult to explain away. It's not like garage-bleaching is really an everyday type activity for a nephew and uncle to be participating in together.
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    I'm actually of the super hot take that he did it AND was framed
    Basically this.

    Pretty sure he did it. Pretty sure the Sheriff's department did some shady shit to make sure he would go away for doing it.
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    It's things like that that continue to make me uncertain on where i stand for this case. That's some really odd behavior but it seems like they would have found some DNA of some kind somewhere. Not to mention, where was the blood in the bedroom? I'm assuming if you rape someone, blood would get somewhere.
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    I'd need to check the timeline to see when the bone fragment was found. that's probably the best piece of evidence and I don't remember them having a framing defense for it
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    Yeah, I remember them bringing up bleaching, but they never mentioned Brendan's jeans having stains all over them from what I remember. That was the one thing that seemed too difficult to explain away. It's not like garage-bleaching is really an everyday type activity for a nephew and uncle to be participating in together.
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    It's things like that that continue to make me uncertain on where i stand for this case. That's some really odd behavior but it seems like they would have found some DNA of some kind somewhere. Not to mention, where was the blood in the bedroom? I'm assuming if you rape someone, blood would get somewhere.
    I think some of that can be explained by brendan making shit up. he said that SO much happened, but in reality I think it was pretty straightforward
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    Which bone fragment are you referring to?
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    PS, should we just make a thread for this show? I feel like a lot of people are sort of halfway through and the discussion is going to pick up a lot in the coming weeks.
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    Why wasn't the key found until the 4th day? Also who only carries one key on their ring (just seems odd)? And found by officer Coulburn, who wasn't even supposed to be there. The sherif department video where the camerawomen laughs about the Innocence Project letter and then comments on how if there are any unsolved burglaries they should take his shoes to frame him? Why wasn't there blood or DNA on the mattress? They would've crushed the car. The phone call with the officer and the dispatch women is also super sketchy. The bones IMO were burned at the gravel pit, transported to the Avery property. Why was the Avery blood vile and evidence kit open and tampered with?

    His nephew is clearly slow and tells barb after the first interrogation (which I wanted to vomit through watching them lead him like that), "they got into my head". What he described about the bonfire was all reports he had heard on the news. Why did it take them from November until March, when they suddenly got this confession, to come up with all this DNA evidence that was so damning, that they then never really presented? Only the blood stains in the car?

    I don't think the cops killed her. I'm not sure Avery did it either. But I think something similar to the 85 case occurred, where they jumped to the conclusion of guilt and then made damn sure he was convicted.

    If I were a juror on that case I would have to say not guilty, because there is certainly reasonable doubt as to whether or not he actually killed her.
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    There's an interesting thing about the bleach that someone brought up on Reddit. They linked it with legit articles, I'm going off what I remember reading so don't take my words as gospel.

    There are two types of bleach: chlorinated and oxidized. Chlorine based bleach will remove visibility of blood to the naked eye, but can be seen with luminol and dna can be collected.

    Oxygen based bleach will actually remove the blood to the naked eye, luminol and make gathering dna impossible.

    The kicker being, chlorine based bleach will stain jeans, oxygen based bleach will not. Not in the sense that we look at jeans and say "oh, a bleach stain". So if Brendan's jeans were stained, then luminol would have revealed the blood and dna would have been gathered. If they used oxygen based bleach, his jeans wouldn't have been stained.
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    There's an interesting thing about the bleach that someone brought up on Reddit. They linked it with legit articles, I'm going off what I remember reading so don't take my words as gospel.

    There are two types of bleach: chlorinated and oxidized. Chlorine based bleach will remove visibility of blood to the naked eye, but can be seen with luminol and dna can be collected.

    Oxygen based bleach will actually remove the blood to the naked eye, luminol and make gathering dna impossible.

    The kicker being, chlorine based bleach will stain jeans, oxygen based bleach will not. Not in the sense that we look at jeans and say "oh, a bleach stain". So if Brendan's jeans were stained, then luminol would have revealed the blood and dna would have been gathered. If they used oxygen based bleach, his jeans wouldn't have been stained.
    What has concerned me is that the County police did have a significant motive to catch Stephen Avery in some sort of trouble. They clearly f-ed up on his 18-year jail term, and the County would likely have been on the hook for a large chunk of the $36 million he was asking for. Remember that the County's insurance wouldn't cover them for that. Halbach's disappearance provided the opportunity. As the defense argued, it'd be easy for only a couple of people to set up the evidence to make Avery look guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

    I'm hardly convinced Avery's innocent, but there is certainly compelling evidence of shenanigans on the County police department. Also, while Avery obviously should have been a top suspect, why did the police not look elsewhere? They didn't even question the ex-boyfriend who knew the password to her voicemail. Or the roommate. And neither of them seemed to be concerned enough to report her missing until a couple days passed. I'm not saying either of them did it, but why not at least question them?
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