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of course now I'm debating if it's worth it to throw down $550 for AirPods max to get the spatial audio effect lol
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    Dreaming Tree in lossless on Audio Technica ATH-M50x
    What do you think of these? A coworker is looking into getting a new pair of wired headphones at a reasonable price, I know in the headphone thread some people find them uncomfortable. Thoughts?
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    Re: Lossless DMB Albums on Apple Music

    here's another question - if you already have the album downloaded to your device, do you need to delete and re-add it to get the lossless and digital mastered quality version?
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    Spotify needs to make lossless free or else they risk Apple overtaking them. Apple already has free lossless, and now free Dolby Atmos on top of that. Amazon announced free lossless the day after Apple did.
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    of course now I'm debating if it's worth it to throw down $550 for AirPods max to get the spatial audio effect lol
    Same lol. I thought they were stupidly overpriced at first, but I imagine they sound a lot more immersive than AirPods Pro
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    Love those headphones.

    What are the Ants audio files using for a DAC? I am looking to get one for my phone but havenít figured out which one to get yet.

    I am using Dragonfly Red and it is a great choice for me

    https://www.amazon.com/AudioQuest-Dr.../dp/B01DFMV4NQ
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    What do you think of these? A coworker is looking into getting a new pair of wired headphones at a reasonable price, I know in the headphone thread some people find them uncomfortable. Thoughts?
    They sound really good. Theyíre flat, meaning you get accurate sound. Theyíre very clear, and you can make out individual instruments very easily. Theyíre not bass heavy at all so if you like bass it may not be for you. But regarding comfort, Iím very picky about comfort and they donít bother me.
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    Re: Lossless DMB Albums on Apple Music

    I just answered my own question - went to play a song in dolby atmos on Apple Music and got this message:

    "This song was downloaded in High Quality stereo, and the downloaded version will always play. To Listen in Dolby Atmos, remove the download and play it again"
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    I am using Dragonfly Red and it is a great choice for me

    https://www.amazon.com/AudioQuest-Dr.../dp/B01DFMV4NQ
    Just a note, this is a great DAC if you want to listen to Hi-res lossless at 192khz. If you just want to listen to lossless that is 48khz, which is the majority of the Apple Music library maxes out at, the $9 adapter that comes with your iPhone is sufficient.
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    Just a note, this is a great DAC if you want to listen to Hi-res lossless at 192khz. If you just want to listen to lossless that is 48khz, which is the majority of the Apple Music library maxes out at, the $9 adapter that comes with your iPhone is sufficient.

    Correct. But the Dragonfly also boosts in terms of volume, so if you want to use headphones with some impedance (like I do), it powers them enough. I am really happy about this product.



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    They sound really good. Theyíre flat, meaning you get accurate sound. Theyíre very clear, and you can make out individual instruments very easily. Theyíre not bass heavy at all so if you like bass it may not be for you. But regarding comfort, Iím very picky about comfort and they donít bother me.

    I have them, but they are my last choice. Not very comfy to me (but I have big ears), music is okay, but Iíd suggest to spend a bit more and get those:

    https://www.amazon.com/beyerdynamic-...dDbGljaz10cnVl


    There are also some dedicated thread in Ants for best headphones:

    https://antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=354823

    https://antsmarching.org/forum/showt...ght=headphones
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    Re: Lossless DMB Albums on Apple Music

    feels like the dolby atmos probably sounds way better with AirPods Pro and not my shitty AirPods lol. sounds kind of weird with regular AirPods. the vocals sound far away.
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    Correct. But the Dragonfly also boosts in terms of volume, so if you want to use headphones with some impedance (like I do), it powers them enough. I am really happy about this product.






    I have them, but they are my last choice. Not very comfy to me (but I have big ears), music is okay, but Iíd suggest to spend a bit more and get those:

    https://www.amazon.com/beyerdynamic-...dDbGljaz10cnVl


    There are also some dedicated thread in Ants for best headphones:

    https://antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=354823

    https://antsmarching.org/forum/showt...ght=headphones
    I've looked at those before, but a phone/laptop won't fire those headphones will it? What setup would they need to run those?
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    of course now I'm debating if it's worth it to throw down $550 for AirPods max to get the spatial audio effect lol
    I think you know this, but just in case, you donít need the AirPod Maxís for Spatial Audio. Works on my pros (and may work on regular AirPods but I didnít look into that).
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    I think you know this, but just in case, you donít need the AirPod Maxís for Spatial Audio. Works on my pros (and may work on regular AirPods but I didnít look into that).
    you are correct. spatial works on the Pros, but not regular AirPods. maybe I'll try the Pros again.

    also, after doing some more listening of songs with Dolby Atmos, I am not really a fan. the soundstage sounds cool, but the vocals sound flat. it's also noticeably much quieter than regular lossless stereo.

    the lossless sounds great though.
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    I've looked at those before, but a phone/laptop won't fire those headphones will it? What setup would they need to run those?

    I have the 80 Ohm. They run great attached to my IMac. If you have any doubt you could get the 16 Ohm version: you might use those even with your smartphone.

    They are just great headphones at a reasonable price. Ask Sean52692, who has decided to buy them recently.
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    Atmos is really only going to be worth it for things mixed in atmos, rather than things that Apple is just processing into multi-channel.

    Atmos mixes are pretty far and few between, though those that are done right are quite wonderful. If you’ve heard a good 5.1 mix or atmos mix, you’ll know when a non-mixed album is output to atmos…it’s disappointing to say the least.
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    Re: Lossless DMB Albums on Apple Music

    Does anyone know if you'll be getting lossless quality if you're playing through USB? I imagine yes. But does anyone know for sure?
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    Does anyone know if you'll be getting lossless quality if you're playing through USB? I imagine yes. But does anyone know for sure?


    First of all, I think that most of your questions are answered in this article: https://www.whathifi.com/amp/advice/...-your-iphone-0

    Iíll add a couple of things, donít want to be a teacher but just outline the basic concepts.

    When you plug in any device to play music to your iPhone, you need to convert the a digital audio signal into an analog signal, allowing you to play the sound over headphones or speakers.

    In few words, you need a DAC.
    DAC is an abbreviated term that stands for digital to analog converter. Basically, a DAC converts bits of data from digital files into an analog electronic signal at thousands of set times per second.

    A long time ago, when the IPhone had a 3,5 mm jack output, this conversion was done inside the iPhone itself: there was a built in DAC, but it wasnít too good.
    Since the IPhones now have lightning adapter (starting with the IPhone 7), the conversion occurs now outside the device (in a much better way).

    Important: this conversion is where you loose quality: therefore the quality of the DAC goes a long way in determining sound quality.

    Once the DAC converts the signal, an amplifier takes over. This amplifier's job is to take the signal and boost it so that it can sound clear and loud over any connected cable. Again, the quality of the amplifier affects overall sound quality.

    So, where is the DAC now? If you buy special headphones with a lightning cable that goes directly in your IPhone, then the DAC is in the headphones (this is the example of the EarPods with the lightning connector).
    Otherwise, the DAC is an external device by itself. The original Apple audio adapter (lightning to to 3.5 mm headphone jack adapter) is actually doing that, and it does it in a pretty good way too: see this article:
    https://www.audioreviews.org/apple-a...dapter-review/

    As someone said before, therefore, for most headphones, when you use the Apple adapter you get a very good result. Technically, it supports 24-bit/48kHz, which is still Lossless sound (and is the Lossless ALAC format I have selected in the Audio Lossless setting of the iPhone).

    But you might see a good reason to spend more money in a different DAC like the Audioquest Dragonfly when you need to power high impedance headphones.

    My final advice: whatever you decide to do/plug into your iPhone, donít look to much the numbers, just listen to your ears. Thatís the best way to decide what is good for you.
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    To reap the benefits of lossless audio you would need to be using wired headphones. I will not recommend any to you bc Iím not an expert and several others in this site know FAR more than me.

    Anything thatís wireless so Bluetooth/airplay etc is going to lose quality youíre correct

    Thatís correct.
    Todayís most advanced Bluetooth codecs are AptxHD Bluetooth and LDAC. They both allow for hi-res files to be streamed wirelessly between compatible devices (but not without compression).

    ē AptxHD Bluetooth supports audio at 24-bit/48kHz, but uses compression and has a maximum data rate of 576kbps.
    ē LDAC supports up to 32-bit/96kHz over Bluetooth with a data rate of 990kbps.

    Both of these are lower than the data rate of CD (1411kbps) which isnít technically HiRes.

    But most of all: iPhones today do not even support these fancy Bluetooth codecs!
    For example my IPhone XR supports SBC (Sub-band codec) 16-bit/48kHz.
    Thatís quite a bottleneck.

    So, if things donít change, and you want to get out of wires, there are two options (at least for me)

    ē Attach a different audio transmitter to the IPhone, like this one https://us.creative.com/p/speakers/creative-bt-w3. You can get it for 40$ on Amazon an supports AptxHD, but you need to attach the Apple camera kit first, and the whole thing becomes quite bulky. But they might be other devices around.

    ē Get this: https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/audiolab-m-dac-nano
    It is a DAC that connects to the IPhone Bluetooth, but then it does an up-sampling of the incoming signal to 32-bit/384kHz before converting to analogue. Donít ask me how it is possible, but it does a good job, and somehow improves the audio quality coming from the IPhoneís Bluetooth (according to my ears). I got it, and is is my solution on-the-go.

    But, bottom line, if you want to get full quality you need a wired connection, so youíre right.

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    Correct. But the Dragonfly also boosts in terms of volume, so if you want to use headphones with some impedance (like I do), it powers them enough. I am really happy about this product.






    I have them, but they are my last choice. Not very comfy to me (but I have big ears), music is okay, but Iíd suggest to spend a bit more and get those:

    https://www.amazon.com/beyerdynamic-...dDbGljaz10cnVl


    There are also some dedicated thread in Ants for best headphones:

    https://antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=354823

    https://antsmarching.org/forum/showt...ght=headphones
    sorry if this is a really dumb question, but what is the difference between plugging my headphones into a dac (such as dragonfly) and plugging my headphones into my laptop? both play music. both play lossless.
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    sorry if this is a really dumb question, but what is the difference between plugging my headphones into a dac (such as dragonfly) and plugging my headphones into my laptop? both play music. both play lossless.

    Just portability.
    When I plug my headphones into my iMac I get great audio quality. Donít know your laptop specs but most likely you donít need a DAC.
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    Just portability.
    When I plug my headphones into my iMac I get great audio quality. Donít know your laptop specs but most likely you donít need a DAC.
    gotcha. thanks for the response. i play flacs all of the time through my HP Envy (windows 10) with music bee.
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    What sucks is it seems the lossless is only available on apple devices. I use and enjoy apple music as a service but have an android and PC, so I'm SOL.

    "All Apple Music subscribers using the latest version of Apple Music on iPhone, iPad, Mac, and Apple TV7 can listen to thousands of Dolby Atmos music tracks using any headphones."

    "You can listen to lossless audio using the latest Apple Music app on an iPhone, iPad, Mac, or Apple TV."
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    here's another question - if you already have the album downloaded to your device, do you need to delete and re-add it to get the lossless and digital mastered quality version?
    so far I have found that yes you do need to delete previous versions of songs/albums
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    you are correct. spatial works on the Pros, but not regular AirPods. maybe I'll try the Pros again.

    also, after doing some more listening of songs with Dolby Atmos, I am not really a fan. the soundstage sounds cool, but the vocals sound flat. it's also noticeably much quieter than regular lossless stereo.

    the lossless sounds great though.
    Just an FYI I believe (according to Apple) newer AirPods (not pros) will work...

    "Supported songs automatically play in Dolby Atmos when you're listening with:
    AirPods Pro or AirPods Max with spatial audio turned on. Go to Control Center, touch and hold the volume button, then tap Spatial Audio.
    AirPods
    BeatsX, Beats Solo3 Wireless, Beats Studio3, Powerbeats3 Wireless, Beats Flex, Powerbeats Pro, or Beats Solo Pro
    The built-in speakers on an iPhone XR or later (except iPhone SE), iPad Pro 12.9-inch (3rd generation or later), iPad Pro 11-inch, iPad (6th generation or later), iPad Air (3rd generation or later), or iPad mini (5th generation)
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    What sucks is it seems the lossless is only available on apple devices. I use and enjoy apple music as a service but have an android and PC, so I'm SOL.

    "All Apple Music subscribers using the latest version of Apple Music on iPhone, iPad, Mac, and Apple TV7 can listen to thousands of Dolby Atmos music tracks using any headphones."

    "You can listen to lossless audio using the latest Apple Music app on an iPhone, iPad, Mac, or Apple TV."
    A future update will bring lossless to Apple Musicís android app and the web player
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    Old 06-12-2021, 02:44 PM   #57
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    I just purchased some studio headphones that can be wired or bluetooth and then just updated my i phone and i am loving this lossless studio album content. I have a few lossless live trax but only had CD quality albums before this. Also didn't want to pay 25 a month for tidal and have been an apple music sub. I am enjoying the music in a totally different light between the studio headphones and the lossless quality. Same with some other artists.
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