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Old 05-25-2021, 10:06 PM   #1
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Who Do You Prefer for DMB: Roi or Jeff

I think Jeff is perfect in the Flecktones, but much prefer Roi for DMB. I think he just fit in better.
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    Re: Who Do You Prefer for DMB: Roi or Jeff

    Really? Haha

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    Old 05-25-2021, 10:23 PM   #3
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    Re: Who Do You Prefer for DMB: Roi or Jeff

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    Old 05-25-2021, 10:49 PM   #4
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    Re: Who Do You Prefer for DMB: Roi or Jeff

    I think someone can prefer Jeff. You don't have to prefer Roi just because he was the original member, imo.

    Jeff can do things Roi couldn't even think of, and vice versa.
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    Old 05-25-2021, 10:50 PM   #5
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    Re: Who Do You Prefer for DMB: Roi or Jeff

    I think someone can prefer Jeff. Just because Roi was the OG member, doesn't you mean you HAVE to like him better. Both can do things the other can't!
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    Old 05-25-2021, 10:57 PM   #6
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    Re: Who Do You Prefer for DMB: Roi or Jeff

    Like we even have the say in bringing back Roi and kicking out Jeff.
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    Old 05-25-2021, 11:29 PM   #7
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    Re: Who Do You Prefer for DMB: Roi or Jeff

    Jeff has done a fine job stepping up, but him and Rashawn can be a bit too aggressive at times. I miss the soulful, melodic feel that Roi brought to the band.
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    Old 05-26-2021, 09:30 AM   #8
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    Re: Who Do You Prefer for DMB: Roi or Jeff

    I love Jeff Coffin.

    Don't know how anyone could prefer him though. Outside of just being a great and unique player, Roi is at the center of song arrangements for the best of the band's catalog. Not a stretch to say much of what we know would be far, far less unique without him. I'm not a musician, but Roi's sense of what I'm assuming is considered countermelody or secondary melody (I think I've heard Dave talk about this) is pretty amazing. Roi and Steve Lillywhite gave the band so many "layers."

    Preferring Jeff purely as a live player or a soloist would have merit, I personally like Roi's style better, but also Jeff can really play in a multitude of styles, he just often seems limited in his role within the band right now.

    Now, should this band give Jeff more autonomy to take on some of that role? They sure should, no clue why they haven't. But when you listen to little Sirius soundbites where Jeff refers to Dave as his boss...I tend to think Jeff unfortunately doesn't have the pull he should.
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    Old 05-26-2021, 09:39 AM   #9
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    Re: Who Do You Prefer for DMB: Roi or Jeff

    It's got nothing to do with being an original member of the band. Roi's sound is just so above and beyond anyone else I would ever want in this band on saxophone.
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    Old 05-26-2021, 09:39 AM   #10
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    Re: Who Do You Prefer for DMB: Roi or Jeff

    I enjoy Rois style and ability to weave in and out of the music.

    I enjoy Jeffís technical ability and I believe it surpasses that of roi, to an extent. I also believe Jeff can be overbearing on songs, and combined with Rashawn, it really turns me off to certain songs.

    Both are great to listen to. Different approaches to the music for sure.
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    Old 05-26-2021, 09:51 AM   #11
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    Re: Who Do You Prefer for DMB: Roi or Jeff

    I've said this before: Roi was smooth. Jeff is aggressive. Kind of like watching Steph Curry shake defenders and hit a long 3 vs. watching Lebron drive the lane and slam it. Both are fun to watch. Both showcase the talent. Both have their place and role in the game.
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    Old 05-26-2021, 10:13 AM   #12
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    Re: Who Do You Prefer for DMB: Roi or Jeff

    Roi.

    I would be interested to see Jeff in DMB without Rashawn. I feel like the horn section has taken a lot away and leads to a more stagnant sound because they’re often playing the same notes.
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    Old 05-26-2021, 10:52 AM   #13
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    Re: Who Do You Prefer for DMB: Roi or Jeff

    Roi's sound fit DMB so perfectly.

    But as a saxophone player I just have to say Jeff is just in another world. From a technical standpoint, it's not even close.

    It's an unpopular opinion, but I'm happy Roi's voice shaped DMB's sound and now Jeff's skills are on display every night
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    Old 05-26-2021, 11:23 AM   #14
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    Re: Who Do You Prefer for DMB: Roi or Jeff

    Honestly, before Roi passed and I assumed Jeff was just going to finish out the 08 tour... I thought he brought an energetic fun vibe to the show. I loved that he would really get into the solos and step out towards Carter's set and the double sax thing... But ya, once Roi was gone I immediately missed his tone and more subtle approach..

    Jeff Coffin is an excellent musician and I still don't know how he managed to just pick up a 20 song setlist and run with it in short notice, nor do I understand how he really gives tribute to Roi without imitating him.. I don't know another sax player that would be able to do what Jeff has done...We're lucky to have him. He's been in a tough position and I just remember being super grateful the band could go on without a hitch after Roi died.

    That being said, there were definitely shows in the mid 2010's that he and rashawn were just trying to see who could hit higher notes the loudest... It got old... He lost a bit of the soulful feel and just was blaring every single song...

    I am glad they've sort of gone back to the more subtle approach as a horn duo section...
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    Old 05-26-2021, 11:25 AM   #15
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    Re: Who Do You Prefer for DMB: Roi or Jeff

    In a way itís hard to say, because they essentially played for two different bands. But I much prefer the band that Roi played with.
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    Old 05-26-2021, 11:56 AM   #16
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    Re: Who Do You Prefer for DMB: Roi or Jeff

    They are both great, Roi matches DMB better
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    Re: Who Do You Prefer for DMB: Roi or Jeff

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    I think someone can prefer Jeff. You don't have to prefer Roi just because he was the original member, imo.

    Jeff can do things Roi couldn't even think of, and vice versa.
    I'm glad Roi DIDN'T think of alot of what Jeff does. R.I.P. the Seek Up intro.
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    Old 05-26-2021, 01:40 PM   #18
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    Re: Who Do You Prefer for DMB: Roi or Jeff

    Roi. And it’ll always be Roi.

    My whole thing is jeff isn’t even given a chance to shine. The songs don’t change anymore like they used to. And the trumpet is the lead dog in the whole horn section, which is extremely unfortunate. Most Roi heavy songs are unlistenable to me at home. I’d never willingly play a modern era Ants Marching on the iPod, YouTube or in the car. If you’re there it’s not too bad but willingly listening, I’ll just play 91-08 when songs had feel and emotion that was carried most of the time by Leroi

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    Re: Who Do You Prefer for DMB: Roi or Jeff

    Is this a serious question?
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    Old 05-26-2021, 02:37 PM   #20
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    Re: Who Do You Prefer for DMB: Roi or Jeff

    And let's be real, the development of the horn section that Roi wanted to build and had started already was going to be different with him in charge of it. The horn section concept continued, but Rashawn is the lead dog for that, not Jeff, and the trumpet is a different animal.

    Rashawn is a great musician in his own right, and I know he takes a huge song arrangement role now...but yeah, the other worldly penchant of Roi for arrangements during the song creation process will just never be duplicated. To me that's had the biggest long-term impact on the band. I'd give a lot to hear everything that was recorded for BW while Roi was alive.
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    Re: Who Do You Prefer for DMB: Roi or Jeff

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    This.

    Jeff is undeniably talented and deserves none of the shit people give him for his different approach. It's almost unfair to even compare the 2. They have entirely different roles in the band.
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    Re: Who Do You Prefer for DMB: Roi or Jeff

    A fairer question would be: Peter or Buddy? Not Roi or Jeff.
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    Old 05-26-2021, 04:38 PM   #23
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    A fairer question would be: Peter or Buddy? Not Roi or Jeff.
    Why don't you start that thread? No Butch?
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    Old 05-26-2021, 04:44 PM   #24
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    Roi. And itíll always be Roi.

    My whole thing is jeff isnít even given a chance to shine. The songs donít change anymore like they used to. And the trumpet is the lead dog in the whole horn section, which is extremely unfortunate. Most Roi heavy songs are unlistenable to me at home. Iíd never willingly play a modern era Ants Marching on the iPod, YouTube or in the car. If youíre there itís not too bad but willingly listening, Iíll just play 91-08 when songs had feel and emotion that was carried most of the time by Leroi
    I truly don't get this. They've had some amazing shows with high propensity for many relistens since 08... No they don't change things up AS often, but if you look back from 18/19 to 14/15 to 12/13 etc.... They've changed things up considerably... It's not every night, but it really never was.. If you go listen to a 2 or 3 week run from 97 - 99 you're still going to get a ton of repeats and similar sounding jams...

    Plus, Jeff WAS allowed to shine 08-15ish.. It seems there's been a concerted effort to taper him back along with any individual long solos... Even Tim doesn't really solo like he used to.. Which was far too often... It's more of a whole band cohesive thing right now...
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    Re: Who Do You Prefer for DMB: Roi or Jeff

    Jeff is always pushed to the backseat thanks to rashawn.
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    Re: Who Do You Prefer for DMB: Roi or Jeff

    Can't believe this thread has gone this long without someone whining about canned horns
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    Old 05-26-2021, 05:31 PM   #28
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    Re: Who Do You Prefer for DMB: Roi or Jeff

    I love how Roi shaped the songs on the early albums -- those songs would not have been the same without him.

    I also love listening to Jeff and how he picked up the DMB catalog so quickly -- I really wish Jeff didn't seem so constrained and that we could hear him let loose more.

    So I guess my answer is BOTH
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    Old 05-26-2021, 06:45 PM   #29
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    Re: Who Do You Prefer for DMB: Roi or Jeff

    Roi and it isn't even close. Dmb would not have been the band they were without Roi. Although I will say the only song I know of that Jeff has writing credits on is b&bb, which is easily the best newer song that they have written. The album luminous that Roi produced before he passed sounds better than dmb's last two albums.
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    Re: Who Do You Prefer for DMB: Roi or Jeff

    Roi.

    Love Jeff, amazing dude and musician, but wish DMB would have gone with Branford Marsalis instead
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