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Old 06-10-2021, 06:04 PM   #1171
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The best part is that there was no mention of this when the tour was announced, people bought tickets, and they're not even getting a refund if they can't go because they're banned.
Why is that the best part?
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    Re: *** Offical SPAC 2021 Thread ***

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    Why is that the best part?
    Sarcasm. There's nothing "good" about this stupid bullshit.
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    Old 06-10-2021, 07:03 PM   #1173
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    Sarcasm. There's nothing "good" about this stupid bullshit.
    Ah - sorry I didn't pick up on it. I completely agree with you. Kind of a bush league bait and switch.
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    Old 06-10-2021, 07:14 PM   #1174
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    Ah - sorry I didn't pick up on it. I completely agree with you. Kind of a bush league bait and switch.

    I honestly donít know how Live Nation can even get away with that. Ban people from going and then keep the money of those they ban? Thatís theft. Plain and simple.


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    Old 06-10-2021, 07:48 PM   #1175
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    Can't go, sell your tickets on Live Nation, no money kept
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    Old 06-10-2021, 09:17 PM   #1176
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    Can't go, sell your tickets on Live Nation, no money kept

    Cool. And if nobody buys them and someone still canít go because Live Nation told them no?

    Yours is not a solution. If you donít see the problem with what Live Nation is doing, I donít know what to tell ya.


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    Old 06-10-2021, 09:32 PM   #1177
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    Cool. And if nobody buys them and someone still canít go because Live Nation told them no?

    Yours is not a solution. If you donít see the problem with what Live Nation is doing, I donít know what to tell ya.


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    Old 06-10-2021, 10:17 PM   #1178
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    Cool. And if nobody buys them and someone still canít go because Live Nation told them no?

    Yours is not a solution. If you donít see the problem with what Live Nation is doing, I donít know what to tell ya.

    There IS a solution, a very good one. Get Vaccinated. Still plenty of time before the Tour even begins, and it's Free.


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    Old 06-11-2021, 06:28 AM   #1179
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    There IS a solution, a very good one. Get Vaccinated. Still plenty of time before the Tour even begins, and it's Free.


    If your Freedom is worth more to you than seeing a DMB show in 2021, then sell your tickets on Warehouse, Ants or Stubhub.

    I am vaccinated. And I still understand that itís insane that Live Nation isnít giving refunds to people that arenít. If Live Nation is making it so that some people arenít allowed to go, LN needs to give those people their money back. They have no right to punish people monetarily if they choose to not be vaccinated.


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    Old 06-11-2021, 08:37 AM   #1180
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    No one is going to be stuck eating SPAC tickets because they can’t sell them; no one with half a brain (and I’d make an argument about those refusing vaccines without a real medical reason) is going to be “punished monetarily”

    This is raging just to rage. Simple solution - get the vaccine; it’s free/safe/effective. If you don’t want to, that’s your choice. But choices have a range of consequences. In this case, that includes the venue not letting you in. You get to exercise your freedom of choice, as does the business. That’s how it works and it’s good to have both entities with that freedom.

    If anyone decides that a vaccine requirement means they will have to skip SPAC, and cannot find a way to recoup their ticket money, they are dumb on multiple levels.
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    Old 06-11-2021, 09:15 AM   #1181
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    No one is going to be stuck eating SPAC tickets because they canít sell them; no one with half a brain (and Iíd make an argument about those refusing vaccines without a real medical reason) is going to be ďpunished monetarilyĒ

    This is raging just to rage. Simple solution - get the vaccine; itís free/safe/effective. If you donít want to, thatís your choice. But choices have a range of consequences. In this case, that includes the venue not letting you in. You get to exercise your freedom of choice, as does the business. Thatís how it works and itís good to have both entities with that freedom.

    If anyone decides that a vaccine requirement means they will have to skip SPAC, and cannot find a way to recoup their ticket money, they are dumb on multiple levels.
    Again, I've been vaccinated.

    You're right, it is a person's choice as to whether or not they want to be vaccinated. Live Nation should have made it clear that only vaccinated people will be able to attend shows in NY. People bought tickets without that knowledge or understanding, and now people making that choice are most definitely being "punished monetarily"... because they're not getting refunds for their tickets. It shouldn't be their responsibility to sell sell them on the 2ndary market. They purchased something under the assumption that they would be able to use what they purchased, and now the seller is saying that the consumer can't use what they sold unless the purchaser abide by a rule that wasn't in place at the time of sale. The business "exercising their freedom of choice" doesn't include a bait and switch on people who bought tickets but now can't use them because the venue (or organizer) changed the rules weeks after tickets have been bought and paid for.

    And what if you have a lawn ticket? Do you think the market for lawn seats at SPAC is so hot that nobody will have any issues when trying to resell them?

    And this doesn't just affect SPAC. This is for every venue in the State of New York. For every concert going through the State of New York.

    If Live Nation/NY Venues want to have this rule in place, fine. That's not the point I'm arguing. The point is... give people their f***ing money back.
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    Old 06-11-2021, 10:13 AM   #1182
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    Again, I've been vaccinated.

    You're right, it is a person's choice as to whether or not they want to be vaccinated. Live Nation should have made it clear that only vaccinated people will be able to attend shows in NY. People bought tickets without that knowledge or understanding, and now people making that choice are most definitely being "punished monetarily"... because they're not getting refunds for their tickets. It shouldn't be their responsibility to sell sell them on the 2ndary market. They purchased something under the assumption that they would be able to use what they purchased, and now the seller is saying that the consumer can't use what they sold unless the purchaser abide by a rule that wasn't in place at the time of sale. The business "exercising their freedom of choice" doesn't include a bait and switch on people who bought tickets but now can't use them because the venue (or organizer) changed the rules weeks after tickets have been bought and paid for.

    And what if you have a lawn ticket? Do you think the market for lawn seats at SPAC is so hot that nobody will have any issues when trying to resell them?

    And this doesn't just affect SPAC. This is for every venue in the State of New York. For every concert going through the State of New York.

    If Live Nation/NY Venues want to have this rule in place, fine. That's not the point I'm arguing. The point is... give people their f***ing money back.
    Donít waste your time arguing with these lunatics. They are always right. Get the non approved FDA vaccine but itís still safe theyíll tell you. The unvaccinated are 3/5ís people now a days.

    My biggest issue is not me having to be vaccinated, itís that I planned to take my 10 year old who doesnít even have the option to be vaccinated. A negative test should suffice in that situation.
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    Donít waste your time arguing with these lunatics. They are always right. Get the non approved FDA vaccine but itís still safe theyíll tell you. The unvaccinated are 3/5ís people now a days.

    My biggest issue is not me having to be vaccinated, itís that I planned to take my 10 year old who doesnít even have the option to be vaccinated. A negative test should suffice in that situation.
    I don't understand defending Live Nation here, at all.
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    Old 06-11-2021, 10:37 AM   #1184
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    I don't understand defending Live Nation here, at all.

    It says no refunds if you show up at the time of the event. Youíre not even reading the policy right.
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    Old 06-11-2021, 10:50 AM   #1185
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    It says no refunds if you show up at the time of the event. Youíre not even reading the policy right.
    I called. They're not offering refunds, period.
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    Old 06-11-2021, 10:52 AM   #1186
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    That sure settles that.
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    Old 06-11-2021, 11:13 AM   #1187
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    Donít waste your time arguing with these lunatics. They are always right. Get the non approved FDA vaccine but itís still safe theyíll tell you. The unvaccinated are 3/5ís people now a days.


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    My biggest issue is not me having to be vaccinated, itís that I planned to take my 10 year old who doesnít even have the option to be vaccinated. A negative test should suffice in that situation.
    Children under the age of 12, who are not vaccine eligible, are likely to be permitted but will be asked to wear a mask.

    https://www.syracuse.com/entertainme...dont-know.html

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    Donít waste your time arguing. They are always right.

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    Live Nation should have made it clear that only vaccinated people will be able to attend shows in NY.

    If Live Nation/NY Venues want to have this rule in place, fine. That's not the point I'm arguing. The point is... give people their f***ing money back.
    LN did not KNOW this when DMB started selling tickets to their tour. This is a new thing that it was extended to this point.

    But yes, I agree - they should offer a refund just on that basis. Luckily for DMB fans, tickets are very easy to sell to these shows (not Wantagh or Holmdel, maybe though...?) except lawn. If they add a new policy well after tickets go on sale then just let the few people get the refunds if they want them.
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    LN did not KNOW this when DMB started selling tickets to their tour. This is a new thing that it was extended to this point.

    But yes, I agree - they should offer a refund just on that basis. Luckily for DMB fans, tickets are very easy to sell to these shows (not Wantagh or Holmdel, maybe though...?) except lawn. If they add a new policy well after tickets go on sale then just let the few people get the refunds if they want them.
    I agree with everything you said. I'm not blaming DMB. I'm not even necessarily blaming Live Nation. Clearly it's not their guidelines, otherwise it would be happening everywhere. This is all the State of New York.

    What I do blame Live Nation for is not giving refunds.
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    You guys have invaded the safe haven of the spac thread with covid talk
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    While I'm not against the measures, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Things might have opened up by September but if they haven't and you can't go to the show due to the vaccine requirements you can very likely get your money back via a credit card chargeback since the requirements didn't exist when you bought the tickets.

    I'm guessing Livenation probably doesn't want to open the refunds door given anyone might be able to request refunds on that basis but their position isn't really tenable.
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    You guys have invaded the safe haven of the spac thread with covid talk
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