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Old 07-27-2009, 04:12 PM   #1
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I was looking at a thread today on ranking the tracks of BWATGGK from your fave, to least fave. 'You and Me' was among the least fave out of at least 80% of the thread posters. I think its one of the worst DMB recordings ever. I know there are some of you who have different oppinions, but thats mine. Love the album though!
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    It's really good lyrics make it a top 10 song for me.
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    Generally, I would agree with this setiment. Its a pretty boring song, and really isn't anything but a lame attempt by Dave to squeeze a catchy love song on the album. But I always find myself in a good mood at this point in the album and am just so glad that the rest is so good that I just enjoy the last song. (In other words I don't need an amazing closing song.)

    Now givin' that, it would take BW to another level if it had a Proudest Monkey/Spoon type closing song.
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    Not the worst recording by any means, but it is "the dud" on BWGK in my mind, no doubt about it. It's spot in the closing slot really hurts my view on it.
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    and really isn't anything but a lame attempt by Dave to squeeze a catchy love song on the album.
    I don't see it like that at all. It's a song of hope after an album full of lyrics about death, and it was intentionally put at the end because both Dave as a human and the band as a whole has a positive, hopeful outlook coming out of the BW sessions in spite of all that has happened.

    Only think I don't like about it is the singing during the bridge, which is why I almost exclusively listen to the April Demos version, where there's just a funky guitar breakdown.
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    I was looking at a thread today on ranking the tracks of BWATGGK from your fave, to least fave. 'You and Me' was among the least fave out of at least 80% of the thread posters. I think its one of the worst DMB recordings ever. I know there are some of you who have different oppinions, but thats mine. Love the album though!
    Do you want to elaborate a little more? "Worst recording"... that's it? I personally enjoy the song. I find the chorus to be a tad cheesy and repetitive but I like how it closes out the album. Good beat, good vocals, and of course #35 attached to it.
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    I'm probably in the minority about this, but I like this song.
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    Do you want to elaborate a little more? "Worst recording"... that's it? I personally enjoy the song. I find the chorus to be a tad cheesy and repetitive but I like how it closes out the album. Good beat, good vocals, and of course #35 attached to it.
    When you start throwing ' personally' into these posts, your coming off as if Im attacking YOU. Im glad you PERSONALLY like the song. How do you want me to elaborate? PERSONALLY I think the track is corny, boring and above all PLAIN!!! This is a great album, with a shitty ending! #35? Whatever. That really gets you groovin, huh?
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    When you start throwing ' personally' into these posts, your coming off as if Im attacking YOU. Im glad you PERSONALLY like the song. How do you want me to elaborate? PERSONALLY I think the track is corny, boring and above all PLAIN!!! This is a great album, with a shitty ending! #35? Whatever. That really gets you groovin, huh?


    Wow.

    I said 'personally' because it's my opinion. I don't feel attacked, not sure where you see that.

    And yeah, elaborate. You did it there a bit there. Like what about the song don't you like? Corny, boring, and plain are good enough I get the point. It's just to the point of creating conversation.

    What did you want anyone to say?

    OP: "Yeah you and me is the worst DMB recording ever!!!!!"

    Response: "Ahhh, yeah great. Good to know. /thread."



    chill out...
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    Wow.

    I said 'personally' because it's my opinion. I don't feel attacked, not sure where you see that.

    And yeah, elaborate. You did it there a bit there. Like what about the song don't you like? Corny, boring, and plain are good enough I get the point. It's just to the point of creating conversation.

    What did you want anyone to say?

    OP: "Yeah you and me is the worst DMB recording ever!!!!!"

    Response: "Ahhh, yeah great. Good to know. /thread."



    chill out...
    HA!!! RECIEVED, but wasnt trying to come off that way. Song still sucks!!!!!!
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    It's really good lyrics make it a top 10 song for me.
    Fuck yes.

    YOU AND MEEEE TOGEAAAATHHHHHERRRRRR WE CAN DOOO ANYTHINGGGG BAAAAAAYBAAYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Just awesome
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    I'm not jamming with you that's for sure... grow some ears
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    I dig the song. A song doesn't have to be about death, religion or be deep to be good. Sometimes there's a beauty in simplicity. Dave said in relix that he wrote the song while he was out on a boat with his wife and kids. I think the song perfectly captures the vibe Dave had to be feeling at that moment.
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    the lyrics are brutal.

    you and me together. yes. yes.

    I'm embarrassed to show this song to nDMB fans and call myself a fan.
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    Love the song. One of the top ones on the album for me. Know why? Dave means it, and you can tell. And it means something to him. Sincere is nice mixed with the sly, abstract songs. WHy can't you counter point Seven with You and Me? Humans are not one note in life. And if anything, isn't it refreshing that Dave can show us multi sides of himself rather than being only one or two limited things. I'd rather not put him or the music in a narrow box. If it comes from a place that is real, then let him sing about whatever he likes. I'm convinved he is sincere on this song. And it actually speaks to me on a certain level. If it doesn't speak to you, then fine. Just don't wave a banner condemning it outright. Especially in front of others who might think its the best song ever written in the entire world. (To give two extremes.) Don't like it? Stop playing the album before you get to it. Simple enough.

    Funny, I get the impression that a lot of those people out there who seem to wish that the band had spent the past decade remaking BTC over and over again or at least the same songs (a la Aerosmith songs in the 90s, Def Lepard songs in any era, or Nickelback), yet, I imagine that after two or so albums of retreading the same water, the primary bitch would be that the band isn't willing to try anything at all new or different.

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    I dig the song. A song doesn't have to be about death, religion or be deep to be good. Sometimes there's a beauty in simplicity. Dave said in relix that he wrote the song while he was out on a boat with his wife and kids. I think the song perfectly captures the vibe Dave had to be feeling at that moment.
    I dig simplicity too, but this just SOUNDS shitty, man!!!
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    I just think that if you've got kids or a wife, the lyrics probably mean more to you than they do if you are in your teens or early 20s. I don't say that to be demeaning to those fans...but life changes you, and they may not be the most prophetic lyrics, but it doesn't mean they don't have meaning to them. And I wonder if people's perception of them might vary based on where they are in life.

    Personally, I like it - because it makes me think of my wife and the things we have ahead of us in our life. It's a beautiful thought, in a simple song.
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    i like the song, better then baby blue
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    You and I are
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    Not falling but rising like rolling around

    I just wanted to post these lyrics. Too much bashing of the chorus in this thread. I happen to enjoy the simplicity of the chorus' lyrics, but the lyrics of the verses are very, very beautiful.
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    i love this song
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    I dig simplicity too, but this just SOUNDS shitty, man!!!
    Go listen to Stand Up and come back to me with that statement. Everything on Stand Up sounds shitty. This song is not shitty. It's not the best, but it's not shitty.
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    I like Write A Song better to end the album, but something upbeat needed to be there and it works.

    I like it 1000 times better after hearing it in person. It's one of those that I didn't expect, but takes on new life Live.
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    I enjoy You And Me, I get it. It isn't deep lyrically, but it doesn't need to be. Its a simple little song to close out an amazing album, where nearly every other song is a lyrical masterpiece.
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    I was looking at a thread today on ranking the tracks of BWATGGK from your fave, to least fave. 'You and Me' was among the least fave out of at least 80% of the thread posters. I think its one of the worst DMB recordings ever. I know there are some of you who have different oppinions, but thats mine. Love the album though!
    How about you go through every DMB song - compare them all - rank them all - and see where You and Me fits in. If you have it at the bottom - fine. But its not one of their worst recordings ever.

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    I don't see it like that at all. It's a song of hope after an album full of lyrics about death, and it was intentionally put at the end because both Dave as a human and the band as a whole has a positive, hopeful outlook coming out of the BW sessions in spite of all that has happened.

    Only think I don't like about it is the singing during the bridge, which is why I almost exclusively listen to the April Demos version, where there's just a funky guitar breakdown.
    ^ What he said.
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    I like it I think it a nice happy little love song...Always puts a smile on my face.
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    I like it. It reminds me of something from my past that I haven't been able to put my finger on yet...but it also means something to my wife, daughter and I...and I'm glad my daughter got to hear the song at her first DMB concert Saturday night.
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    I don't see it like that at all. It's a song of hope after an album full of lyrics about death, and it was intentionally put at the end because both Dave as a human and the band as a whole has a positive, hopeful outlook coming out of the BW sessions in spite of all that has happened.

    Only think I don't like about it is the singing during the bridge, which is why I almost exclusively listen to the April Demos version, where there's just a funky guitar breakdown.
    is there somewhere i can d/l the april demos?
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    I just think that if you've got kids or a wife, the lyrics probably mean more to you than they do if you are in your teens or early 20s. I don't say that to be demeaning to those fans...but life changes you, and they may not be the most prophetic lyrics, but it doesn't mean they don't have meaning to them. And I wonder if people's perception of them might vary based on where they are in life.

    Personally, I like it - because it makes me think of my wife and the things we have ahead of us in our life. It's a beautiful thought, in a simple song.
    Bingo. Got three kids and a hubby. I like this song a lot because it captures a feeling, a moment between spouses. And it is pretty nice to hear after Baby Blue and Time Bomb.
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    I ended up replacing You and Me with Write a Song at the end and think that closes out the album much better.




    I also replaced Time Bomb with Beachball
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    I dig the song. A song doesn't have to be about death, religion or be deep to be good. Sometimes there's a beauty in simplicity. Dave said in relix that he wrote the song while he was out on a boat with his wife and kids. I think the song perfectly captures the vibe Dave had to be feeling at that moment.
    well said. it's a nice simple song. some people around here act like every song has to be dreaming tree.
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