Lillywhite Sessions Confession/Story time

[comeandsee41]

Originally Posted by cry_minarets458

The only good thing from
Captain BS is the “how could I even try to fight after falling into your arms, mesmerized by your smile the way it lights up under your eyes”


I know that’s the alpine Outro, could have sworn it’s on BS but I haven’t listened in awhile. One very lyrics post-LWS that is Dave’s best.

great line indeed, wish it could have seen itself in any other song.

[jmytng9]

Originally Posted by Jake

anyway, back to the op, think the timing is off a bit - there was no LWS on Napster prior to the leak

I think I might not be getting across what I am trying to convey.

There was no LWS anywhere at the time of my finding, just the band and maybe some deep insiders had it. Someone (either in the band or a deep insider) had the tracks in their personal collection under non-descriptive titles so they wouldn't be found. Napster happened to catalog them, or maybe they had them in their Napster folder to be able to send to someone else closely involved in this.
I started searching by users personal collections, I sorted by those collections that had the most DMB files, In one of those users collections I came across Song A, Song B, Song C and so on. I downloaded those because they seemed out of place among all the other DMB songs in this users collection with descriptive track titles. These were the clips I had. They were not at all the LWS we have today and they were not even the Demo #2 recordings. They were in a much less mixed state and much rawer than both.

[DMB41GUY]

Originally Posted by jmytng9

I think I might not be getting across what I am trying to convey.

There was no LWS anywhere at the time of my finding, just the band and maybe some deep insiders had it. Someone (either in the band or a deep insider) had the tracks in their personal collection under non-descriptive titles so they wouldn't be found. Napster happened to catalog them, or maybe they had them in their Napster folder to be able to send to someone else closely involved in this.
I started searching by users personal collections, I sorted by those collections that had the most DMB files, In one of those users collections I came across Song A, Song B, Song C and so on. I downloaded those because they seemed out of place among all the other DMB songs in this users collection with descriptive track titles. These were the clips I had. They were not at all the LWS we have today and they were not even the Demo #2 recordings. They were in a much less mixed state and much rawer than both.

Cool story bro. So... you lost track of these files that every single person on this site would want to hear? Sounds about right.

[joshg]

Originally Posted by Bmwm3oz

'Knapp received an apparently faked e-mail response from Lillywhite, giving Knapp approval to release the tracks via the Internet. Since Knapp only had a 56k dial-up modem, he decided to transfer the songs to someone with a lot of bandwidth who could host them. Using Napster, Knapp then sent the tracks to a fellow member of DMBML, Drew Wiley, who released over the Internet the 96 kbit/s MP3s. Within days, the tracks were also released as 128 kbit/s MP3s, and later as lossless SHN files.[4] The tracks made their way all over the internet via private servers and peer-to-peer programs like Napster. After the release of Everyday, which many fans complained was too "pop-ish", the leak of the Sessions gave some fans what they wanted—an album recorded much like older Dave Matthews Band material.'

Was Knapp the one who grabbed the disk from Stefan?

[Jake]

Originally Posted by joshg

Was Knapp the one who grabbed the disk from Stefan?

Stefan is denying that it was him. he deleted a tweet that said it wasn't his disc

[Jake]

Originally Posted by jmytng9

I think I might not be getting across what I am trying to convey.

There was no LWS anywhere at the time of my finding, just the band and maybe some deep insiders had it. Someone (either in the band or a deep insider) had the tracks in their personal collection under non-descriptive titles so they wouldn't be found. Napster happened to catalog them, or maybe they had them in their Napster folder to be able to send to someone else closely involved in this.
I started searching by users personal collections, I sorted by those collections that had the most DMB files, In one of those users collections I came across Song A, Song B, Song C and so on. I downloaded those because they seemed out of place among all the other DMB songs in this users collection with descriptive track titles. These were the clips I had. They were not at all the LWS we have today and they were not even the Demo #2 recordings. They were in a much less mixed state and much rawer than both.

there were other LWS copies that were different takes of what we have today, but without any clips there's no way we could confirm this.

See what you can find on an old computer.

[comeandsee41]

I don’t call BS that it wasn’t him (though it was lifted from his room/cabin), but him claiming he destroyed his copy before flying back to LA, that’s just so obviously BS.

[jmytng9]

Originally Posted by Jake

there were other LWS copies that were different takes of what we have today, but without any clips there's no way we could confirm this.

See what you can find on an old computer.

Yep. I totally understand that. Just wanted to share my story of the LWS drop. I will continue to search for the clips.

[haefs11]

Originally Posted by berman1125

I remeber getting all the different skins for Winamp haha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKqKrH0O9yg

[misschung]

Originally Posted by cry_minarets458

what always stood out about the LWS BEF is the de-evolution of the subject matter .. man -> monkey -> fish .. most complex to very much primitive, with an overlying arch that the lowest points of life, pessimism very well may be fundamental. song just always spoke to me on another level

Yes, absolutely. Honestly, I remember hearing that for the first time and feeling like it could have been a continuation to BTCS after the outro.

Originally Posted by Musicology200

I still think lillywhite should be given permission to finish the tracks. Put out the best version of what was laid down at the time.

Yes, please.

Originally Posted by comeandsee41

I don’t call BS that it wasn’t him (though it was lifted from his room/cabin), but him claiming he destroyed his copy before flying back to LA, that’s just so obviously BS.

Yeah, seriously - dramatic much?

I have to stop thinking about LWS and Captain. The first time I heard this song, I was flying back from Italy and had it on repeat on my discman. The hair on my arms stood up the entire time, and then when I thought it couldn't get better - Bartender.

Give this a listen - doesn't get much better, IMO:
https://soundcloud.com/copperpot5/da...-providence-ri

[Jake]

Originally Posted by jmytng9

Yep. I totally understand that. Just wanted to share my story of the LWS drop. I will continue to search for the clips.

And I want to believe you, I truly do. But we have a vast history of LWS hoaxers, so I need to be the 'slow down' voice.

people that weren't around back then don't realize that dmb leakers were a bit of the wild wild west - so the story isn't out of the ordinary for how stuff got out.


I hope you find something.

[Julia Roberts]

I’m a LWS truther. It was an inside job.

[twostep665]

Does anyone else remember when Everyday leaked early and it had a song from another band on it that sounded a lot like dmb? If i remember correctly the band was called "Nine Mile" and the song was called "Patio."

[RiotAct]

aw fuck, now you guys made me go back and listen to most of the LWS tracks.

[crashintonickdm]

D@v3 m@tth3ws b@nd - gray street

Oh napster

[RiotAct]

“Golden age, these golden times; our golden days, seem to have us hypnotized or blind, well...”

——>

“Free the beast inside of me! Free the beast inside of me! FREE THE BEAST INSIDE OF ME!”

We’ve come a long way.

[alec]

Originally Posted by Musicology200

I still think lillywhite should be given permission to finish the tracks. Put out the best version of what was laid down at the time.

Has there ever been some kind of social petition / Kickstarter fund / etc... to try to get this to happen. Maybe with the 20 year anniversary approaching this should happen if it has not already. A 2020 best of LWS finished mix on vinyl.

[misschung]

^ I admit that I don't mind the current version of that song. However, IMO it suffers from the same problem as Rooftop - that last line just totally derails it

[Cptn. Monkeyman]

It was so obviously Stefan...

[joshg]

I remember Lillywhite was so proud of Bartender from the small reports we got from the studio. The guy was so on point as far as this band was concerned back then. It was like he was one of us.

[comeandsee41]

Ugggggggggh please don’t.

“Golden age, these golden times; our golden days, seem to have us hypnotized or blind, well...”<br>
<br>
——&gt;<br>
<br>
“Free the beast inside of me! Free the beast inside of me! FREE THE BEAST INSIDE OF ME!”<br>
<br>
We’ve come a long way.

[Cptn. Monkeyman]

Originally Posted by comeandsee41

Ugggggggggh please don’t.

Yeah, but to be fair, you're taking one of the greatest lyrical works and stacking it side by side with one of the, well, not so great lyrical works.

[comeandsee41]

I totally agree w what RiotAct was implying, i meant “don’t” as in, it’s terrible how far Dave has fallen as a lyricist.

[RiotAct]

Originally Posted by Cptn. Monkeyman

Yeah, but to be fair, you're taking one of the greatest lyrical works and stacking it side by side with one of the, well, not so great lyrical works.

haha true that. But even what I’d consider an average lyrical effort from Dave on the LWS tracks (Busted Stuff or Raven, probably) is still pretty damned great.

[joshg]

Speaking of heights, the 10 min Bartender on tLWS is proof that in that studio, DMB became a deity.

[NeatFreakGeek]

Originally Posted by Cptn. Monkeyman

It was so obviously Stefan...

he had/has his own snowboard company, right?

it was stefan beyond a reasonable doubt, for sure

[RiotAct]

Originally Posted by NeatFreakGeek

he had/has his own snowboard company, right?

yeah... wasn't that IZStyle?

[Matt]

Originally Posted by CapnHani06

I'm still to this day distraught and confused by this. That feels like hyperbole but it's just not.

The song flowed so damn well in its first iteration and cleverly resisted the natural temptation to lead with the phrase "big eyed fish" and to turn it into a guitar-driven song. To me, the decision to lower the pizzicato in the mix and rearrange the verse order stripped away all the subtly that made the LWS version so brilliant.

I understand that it's a funny little image, Dave, but have a little patience! We'll get to that big eyed fish soon enough, no need to payoff the song title right out the gate! Set the stage and I promise we're here for it!

And don't even get me started on that outro........

100%. I’ve blasted the direction BEF took shortly after the leak and how they ruined it by essentially turning it into a glorified intro to Bartender. Boyd PLUCKING the outro?? There truly is no one with worst taste in DMB than Dave Matthews himself. I’ve griped about this so much on certain podcast episodes. Might have to bring it up again on the next one.

[grilldanmo]

I wonder if BS were the leaked versions and LWS were the officially released versions (of course that wouldn't make any sense, but that's not what this is about) if we'd all feel as strongly as do about the superiority of LWS.

Part of their appeal is obviously tied to the fact that they are demos, not polished, ideas still forming, some literally unfinished/incomplete, guttural, raw, expressive, etc. But another aspect we have to embrace is that we have access to this secret music, proof of something different, something special that most others are not only unaware, but unlikely to appreciate. There's a chance we'd have some weirdly similar feelings had Everyday been the first scrapped and discarded attempt at their fourth official major label studio album...although I can't even begin to imagine we'd think of it with a millionth of the reverence we have for LWS.

[Roose13]

Originally Posted by RiotAct

“Golden age, these golden times; our golden days, seem to have us hypnotized or blind, well...”

——>

“Free the beast inside of me! Free the beast inside of me! FREE THE BEAST INSIDE OF ME!”

We’ve come a long way.

So much to say, so much to say, so much to say....