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Old 05-10-2021, 01:30 PM   #11911
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The czar of DMB has spoken! The "greatest version" of So Right has Jeff Coffin playing on it, and that's okay!

That took long to disprove
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    The czar of DMB has spoken! The "greatest version" of So Right has Jeff Coffin playing on it, and that's okay!

    Which is...?
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    Old 05-10-2021, 01:35 PM   #11913
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    No version of any song that originally featured Roi should ever be in the "best version of (said song)" conversation if it's not a version that featured Roi.

    Period.

    There is no "greatest version" of Two Step after June of 2008. No "greatest version" of Jimi Thing after June 2008. The Dreaming Tree. Spoon. What Would You Say. DEFINITELY #34. Insert any song you want. The "best version" of those songs will have had LeRoi Moore on the saxophone.

    I could see people making the case for a lot of songs post Roi, some that I'd agree with and some I wouldn't
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    Old 05-10-2021, 01:47 PM   #11914
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    Which is...?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSlltSNxmkk

    It doesn't get better than this or the one they sent from 2014 as a free digital download.
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    Old 05-10-2021, 01:48 PM   #11915
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    I could see people making the case for a lot of songs post Roi, some that I'd agree with and some I wouldn't
    I can see the desire to make the argument, also. There are incredible versions of all the songs, post-Roi.

    But without Roi, by definition it cannot be the "best version".
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    Old 05-10-2021, 01:48 PM   #11916
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    the best FTT is definitely not with Roi...
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    Old 05-10-2021, 01:49 PM   #11917
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    I agree with that take TBH. Love Jeff, but Roi brought a special kind of magic.
    You get it. Thank you.
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    Old 05-10-2021, 01:49 PM   #11918
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    I can see the desire to make the argument, also. There are incredible versions of all the songs, post-Roi.

    But without Roi, by definition it cannot be the "best version".

    By definition it absolutely can be the best version
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    Old 05-10-2021, 01:50 PM   #11919
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    The czar of DMB has spoken! The "greatest version" of So Right has Jeff Coffin playing on it, and that's okay!
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    By definition it absolutely can be the best version
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    Old 05-10-2021, 01:50 PM   #11920
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    I can see the desire to make the argument, also. There are incredible versions of all the songs, post-Roi.

    But without Roi, by definition it cannot be the "best version".
    By definition of what?
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    Old 05-10-2021, 01:55 PM   #11921
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    By definition of what?
    "Greatest Version Of (Any Song) That Originally Featured Roi"
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    Old 05-10-2021, 02:01 PM   #11922
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    So the best version of Gravedigger has to feature Tony Hall on bass guitar?

    I don't overcomplicate how I rank live DMB performances. If I think it's greatest version of a song, than it's the greatest version of the song. I'm not thinking about lineups.

    "By definition", the greatest version is the one you think is the greatest.
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    Old 05-10-2021, 02:03 PM   #11923
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    "Greatest Version Of (Any Song) That Originally Featured Roi"

    Roi had a solo on YMDT, the song got better live as time went on
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    Old 05-10-2021, 02:04 PM   #11924
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    I am of the opinion that there are a small handful DMB songs that Jeff Coffin made better, so "by definition", those versions are what I consider the best.

    YMDT and So Right are on that list.
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSlltSNxmkk

    It doesn't get better than this or the one they sent from 2014 as a free digital download.

    Those are awesome versions, especially the 7.09.13 Cruzan Amphitheater one (the digital download one).

    But I think I like this one even more (endless Jeff solo, 7 min long track).

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=iPbfi6bI3Mw
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    Old 05-10-2021, 03:33 PM   #11926
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    Roi barely has any presence on Everyday, and he hated playing those songs live. So there's definitely room to improve his parts on there.
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    Old 05-10-2021, 03:35 PM   #11927
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    Will I Did It ever get played again? Is it a "who gives a shit" among us? I don't think I'd mind if it goes the way of Blue Water or Spotlight.
    I Did It has the worst guitar riff of all time.
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    The Roseland Ballroom show from 16 years ago yesterday is pretty cool

    Part 1- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c5j9Twpm9Y
    Part 2- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnEqIfaUe9k
    Part 3- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ3m5U0MypM
    This was such a fun show to watch. A live streaming show was a huge novelty in 2005. I sat in front of my desktop computer with probably a 12-18 pack of Coors Light in my tiny little studio apartment in Lowell. Stand Up or not, the band was tight as can be in 2005.
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    Old 05-10-2021, 04:42 PM   #11929
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    No version of any song that originally featured Roi should ever be in the "best version of (said song)" conversation if it's not a version that featured Roi.

    Period.

    There is no "greatest version" of Two Step after June of 2008. No "greatest version" of Jimi Thing after June 2008. The Dreaming Tree. Spoon. What Would You Say. DEFINITELY #34. Insert any song you want. The "best version" of those songs will have had LeRoi Moore on the saxophone.
    What version of Two Step depended on Roi's sax playing to make it the best ever?

    For the record, I think best ever Two Step is quite difficult to nail down because it's changed so many times throughout the years. It was an absolute monster from 2010-13 prior to it being played almost exclusively in the acoustic sets in 14-15, disappearing almost completely in 16, and then coming back in neutered form after that. But I also wouldn't have any issue with someone saying one of the super old salsa versions is the best, or one of the ones from the 90's with Bela, or Central Park, or any of the several VERY good performances in early 2008 like Busch Stadium and Hershey. But to say Roi was anything other than background accompaniment on that song is silly.
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    I can see the desire to make the argument, also. There are incredible versions of all the songs, post-Roi.

    But without Roi, by definition it cannot be the "best version".
    The one exception would be in case of a version completely fucked up by a horrible Boyd contribution. There were quite a of few bad nights for Boyd when Roi was still around. Since these increased exponentially after Roi passed, it seems an even less likely possibility that a best version of Roi-era tune would feature Jeff. However, there have been some great performances of tunes from 2018 & '19, from a band that is more locked in and occasionally inspired than it had been for quite a few years leading up to Boyd's departure.

    Also, for some of us (yes a tiny minority), Butch was an aural energy drain. I know the band liked it and a lot of fans did too, but Taylor's contribution to the sound was never to my liking. We only saw DMB once during the Butch years, but I tried to stay open to the unnecessary addition of keys to the band. Yet I never failed to be disappointed after getting excited about listening to clips or shows that featured Blackbird or Linus & Lucy...they always underwhelmed me. And his long piano solos in Two Step and other tunes...never enjoyable to our ears. He could suck the life out of tunes I loved, nearly nullifying great performances from the rest of the band.

    Thankfully, there's tons of awesome live stuff from all eras so we can all hear something we like. My biggest regret is not getting to see Roi live more. He's one of my favorite musicians, definitely near the top for sax players. One of the most wonderfully melodic players to every touch a woodwind.
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    Old 05-10-2021, 05:20 PM   #11931
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    No version of any song that originally featured Roi should ever be in the "best version of (said song)" conversation if it's not a version that featured Roi.

    Period.
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    Stolen Away got really good in 2014
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    Old 05-10-2021, 05:39 PM   #11933
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    Same goes for Old Dirt Hill
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    Old 05-10-2021, 05:42 PM   #11934
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    When it comes to the classic material (RTT-LWS) I tend to agree, RSSR.

    Everything after, I’m not so sure
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    When it comes to the classic material (RTT-LWS) I tend to agree, RSSR.

    Everything after, I’m not so sure

    Even a song like The Stone, which is considered DMB's best song, I might pick SPAC 09 as the greatest version. You Never Know, another top 15 song, gun to my head, I might pick that 2012 Jones Beach version. DMB has had some out of this world performances in the last 14 years. Sometimes a lot fewer and far between, but they're still there.
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    When it comes to the classic material (RTT-LWS) I tend to agree, RSSR.

    Everything after, I’m not so sure
    That’s fair.
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    Old 05-10-2021, 05:59 PM   #11937
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    Even a song like The Stone, which is considered DMB's best song, I might pick SPAC 09 as the greatest version. You Never Know, another top 15 song, gun to my head, I might pick that 2012 Jones Beach version. DMB has had some out of this world performances in the last 14 years. Sometimes a lot fewer and far between, but they're still there.
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    Old 05-10-2021, 06:02 PM   #11938
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    Whoops, sorry OSM, I thought that was RSSR’s claim. He had the bold claim in the “unpopular option thread” pertaining to the Lillywhite Sessions
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    By definition of what?
    1. The fact dave's guitar most likely is hardly heard
    2. 99% of the performances post roi tim is too freaking loud
    3. Rashawn started squealing post roi on a much more annoying level
    4. Roi's drumming while great was better pre roi when he was younger
    5. Certain songs jams are too long and redundant post roi (i.e. a lot of two steps and jimi things got way too long with not much more value than the roi era versions.
    6. The fact that tim c/dc is too freaking loud

    Exceptions are some of the everyday songs like fool to think, so right as well as YMDT that got better after roi passed and the jam progressed.
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    Old 05-10-2021, 06:05 PM   #11940
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    Even a song like The Stone, which is considered DMB's best song, I might pick SPAC 09 as the greatest version. You Never Know, another top 15 song, gun to my head, I might pick that 2012 Jones Beach version. DMB has had some out of this world performances in the last 14 years. Sometimes a lot fewer and far between, but they're still there.
    I’m usually gonna take earlier versions of those great classics. That’s not to say others can’t take a more modern version, but I dig the earlier sound more. And that’s not just because of Moore (although it is a big reason). It’s also the sound of Dave’s voice, his guitar, and just the overall sound they had in the 90s that I prefer to even Roi’s later days.

    I love all eras of the band (even 2018-2020 I enjoy) but I primarily listen to 92-2000
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