Star Wars: Han Solo (May 25th, 2018)

[smokew11]

Originally Posted by Roose13

I agree that Solo was unnecessary, but if in the long run it's big point was to introduce Darth Maul back and have stories based around him with these prequels then it served its purpose.

If that was the point, then it was an even dumber idea than I thought. There are so many ways they could have gone to reintroduce Maul, like a Lando story

The point of Solo was definitely not to introduce Maul, and if it was, Kathleen Kennedy is a fucking idiot.

[Beefsteak1138]

Originally Posted by excitingjae

Make your fake pledge to something that will never happen!

https://www.remakethelastjedi.com/

JFC, I hate shit like this.

[thebridge15]

Originally Posted by excitingjae

give us original stories!

Also the knights of the old republic on the big screen!

fanboys are absolutely not clamoring for original stories

[Beefsteak1138]

Lucasfilm says the rumors are untrue.

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/m...ry?id=56057987

Lucasfilm told ABC News there are still "multiple" Star Wars films currently in development that have not been officially announced. Those projects are moving forward separate from an already-announced "Star Wars" trilogy being overseen by "The Last Jedi" director Rian Johnson and another series of movies from "Game of Thrones" producers David Benioff and D.B. Weiss.

[currupt3d**]

Originally Posted by Beefsteak1138

Lucasfilm says the rumors are untrue.

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/m...ry?id=56057987

I'll be seeing episode IX and probably the Obi One movie, that's enough Star Wars for me. Treating this franchise like marvel just doesn't work and kills one of the most important aspects to a new movie, the hype and anticipation.

Do a Knights Of The Old Republic adaptation or fuck off.

[excitingjae]

Originally Posted by thebridge15

fanboys are absolutely not clamoring for original stories

I thought they didn't like TFA because it was too much like A New Hope?

[recentlyJTR41]

Originally Posted by currupt3d**

I'll be seeing episode IX and probably the Obi One movie, that's enough Star Wars for me. Treating this franchise like marvel just doesn't work and kills one of the most important aspects to a new movie, the hype and anticipation.

Do a Knights Of The Old Republic adaptation or fuck off.

Thank you. This Marvel hype sucks so much ass.





or do Shadows of the Empire

[smokew11]

Originally Posted by thebridge15

fanboys are absolutely not clamoring for original stories

I think they just don't like slow speed chases. for 2 1/2 hours

[thebridge15]

Originally Posted by smokew11

I think they just don't like slow speed chases. for 2 1/2 hours

aside from the political reasons, I feel like the premise wasn't people's biggest issue. it was characters not all being related to OT characters

Originally Posted by excitingjae

I thought they didn't like TFA because it was too much like A New Hope?

I may be wrong, but I have been under the impression that the biggest fanboys (the ones trying to remake TLJ as we speak) liked TFA. the similarity to ANH was more of a criticism from critics / casual moviegoers

[MOWJO8185]

Star Wars is gonna be in an interesting place after Episode IX. Luke and Han dead in the story, Carrie Fisher dead in real life, so they can't lean on familiar actors, and the audience has already rejected a recast of an original character in Han Solo. They have to take a gamble on some of these new stories/characters, or else rely on familiar characters that aren't noticeably a different actor (like McGregor playing Obi-Wan or Boba Fett/Vader who basically wear masks all the time). I'm excited for the Johnson trilogy and some new stories, but I'm not sure how those will do financially as time goes on. At the same time, the Han Solo reaction makes it seem that "playing it safe" with characters also isn't a promising route forward. Will be really interested in what they do.

[sharvey]

Give the Game of Thrones guys the story for Knights of the Old Republic or a Thrawn trilogy. Rian Johnson can create his own trilogy from scratch.

[excitingjae]

So Disney is denying the report about sidestory production being stopped. Here is a report from Makingstarwars.net which I'll spoiler but it's not really.

It sounds like this particular rumor permeated because studio space at Pinewood Studios that was reserved for upcoming Star Wars films was recently relinquished. When that happened, it appears people in the some circles at Pinewood also assumed it meant doom and gloom for the Obi-Wan Kenobi and Boba Fett films. Well, after speaking to a few more Pinewood sources, it sounds like there was going to be a movie or a premise along the lines of Mos Eisley Spaceport: A Star Wars Story (not an official title). Crew members of the previous Star Wars film said they believed the other movie was about the spaceport Luke Skywalker goes into the original film. In other words, my sources are saying this movie we never even heard about was canned or postponed and it does not mean the Obi-Wan Kenobi and Boba Fett films are doomed.

To make it extra clear, it sounds like studio space was canceled, people panicked, assumed it meant bad things for the Kenobi and Fett films but it was actually a movie fans never heard of based around Mos Eisley Spaceport that was either canceled or postponed for now. There are sources at Pinewood who thought they were going to be working on a film of exactly that premise and said film was not Kenobi or Boba Fett.

After Episode IX

By most accounts the next trilogy will be from Game of Thrones showrunners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, which will be a little more grown up. Followed by Rian Johnson’s trilogy which is said to be a little more all ages in terms of tonal quality, by the sound of things. With that in mind, I expect the Boba Fett film and the Obi-Wan film to still be a possibility. However, those two films were never announced officially by Lucasfilm or Disney which makes this story harder to pin down. From the sound of the conversations I’ve had in the last day, Collider wasn’t wrong in that a Star Wars movie was held off, it just seems like it was not the two movies we all thought it was based off the initial information.

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[smokew11]

I have 0 interest in a Fett movie. He was cool in short doses, but he had such little dialogue in the OT that the guy is barely an actual character. Hard to invest in someone who has no personality

I would love to see a Maul standalone and Obi Wan standalone, that both converge into a Maul/Obi Wan movie

I also thought about a possible gangster style Jabba the Hut movie but that might end up being a little too silly looking

A rise of vader movie might be cool, or it might cause Vader fatigue

As a joke, I'd also love to see the Spinal Tap guys write a Max Rebo Behind the Music mockumentary, but that might be a little too self-aware for SW

[thebridge15]

the problem for me has always been this dependence on questions starting with "didn't you ever wonder how X got to be like Y" cause the answer is always no

I know why they shoehorned him into the PT, but boba fett is especially like that. oh he's a bounty hunter with cool armor. ok, I'm on board. I'm sure there are hundreds of guys like that throughout the galaxy in this universe

once it starts turning into "didn't you ever wonder how boba fett became a mysterious badass?" um...no

[drop2d]

Originally Posted by smokew11

I have 0 interest in a Fett movie. He was cool in short doses, but he had such little dialogue in the OT that the guy is barely an actual character. Hard to invest in someone who has no personality

I would love to see a Maul standalone and Obi Wan standalone, that both converge into a Maul/Obi Wan movie

I also thought about a possible gangster style Jabba the Hut movie but that might end up being a little too silly looking

A rise of vader movie might be cool, or it might cause Vader fatigue

As a joke, I'd also love to see the Spinal Tap guys write a Max Rebo Behind the Music mockumentary, but that might be a little too self-aware for SW

This is most interesting to me. And there really doesn't need to be much story... just vader absolutely kicking the shit out of everything.

[excitingjae]

Not to mention Boba Fett's "father" is the source for all cloned Stormtroopers. And then Boba Fett's voice was changed to match that of Jango Fett's. But then Stormtroopers' voices in the OT weren't changed to match Jango...

In regards to Vader we have him ending Episode 3 in the suit. There are Rebels cartoons that have used him. He's in Rogue One. What good storyline could another movie starring Darth Vader contain? Does it start out with him having regrets and then going hardcore? Because his arch in the OT is that he's this badass dude who is ultimately redeemed. So kind of like the SOLO movie we're going to see him become the guy we know. Anakin was an asshole for two whole movies and then he's Darth Vader at the end. 20 years go by and he throws the Emperor down some shaft.

I feel like fans just want to see a slasher movie of Darth Vader slicing up Jedi. There isn't real story for him to be told. Maybe you have a movie where the protagonist is a Jedi trying to escape Darth Vader. There you get your dose of Vader slasher porn and don't have to worry about his character being "soft"

[WidespreadMule3]

Originally Posted by excitingjae

Not to mention Boba Fett's "father" is the source for all cloned Stormtroopers. And then Boba Fett's voice was changed to match that of Jango Fett's. But then Stormtroopers' voices in the OT weren't changed to match Jango...

In regards to Vader we have him ending Episode 3 in the suit. There are Rebels cartoons that have used him. He's in Rogue One. What good storyline could another movie starring Darth Vader contain? Does it start out with him having regrets and then going hardcore? Because his arch in the OT is that he's this badass dude who is ultimately redeemed. So kind of like the SOLO movie we're going to see him become the guy we know. Anakin was an asshole for two whole movies and then he's Darth Vader at the end. 20 years go by and he throws the Emperor down some shaft.

I feel like fans just want to see a slasher movie of Darth Vader slicing up Jedi. There isn't real story for him to be told. Maybe you have a movie where the protagonist is a Jedi trying to escape Darth Vader. There you get your dose of Vader slasher porn and don't have to worry about his character being "soft"

That's because troopers in the OT are not Jango clones. Between 3 & 4 Palpatine got rid of the clones and established Imperial Academies and it was the equivalent of going to an Ivy League school. The academy on Coruscant was basically the West Point of the SW universe. Eventually they phased out all the clones and regular people were the Stormies.

[Beefsteak1138]

Originally Posted by excitingjae

Make your fake pledge to something that will never happen!

https://www.remakethelastjedi.com/

I just noticed this part, "The hero archetype's of the original films is what made these so great, it made characters that everyone could relate to regardless of their background and beliefs. No longer having this core element along with poor storytelling, has made the franchise divisive and in disarray. "

Ummm, did they even see TLJ? Maybe they walked out early and missed the entire Crait scene.

[excitingjae]

Originally Posted by WidespreadMule3

That's because troopers in the OT are not Jango clones. Between 3 & 4 Palpatine got rid of the clones and established Imperial Academies and it was the equivalent of going to an Ivy League school. The academy on Coruscant was basically the West Point of the SW universe. Eventually they phased out all the clones and regular people were the Stormies.

I gotta brush up on my Wookipedia.

[thebridge15]

Originally Posted by Beefsteak1138

I just noticed this part, "The hero archetype's of the original films is what made these so great, it made characters that everyone could relate to regardless of their background and beliefs. No longer having this core element along with poor storytelling, has made the franchise divisive and in disarray. "

Ummm, did they even see TLJ? Maybe they walked out early and missed the entire Crait scene.

[excitingjae]

Originally Posted by Beefsteak1138

I just noticed this part, "The hero archetype's of the original films is what made these so great, it made characters that everyone could relate to regardless of their background and beliefs. No longer having this core element along with poor storytelling, has made the franchise divisive and in disarray. "

Ummm, did they even see TLJ? Maybe they walked out early and missed the entire Crait scene.

It didn't help that out-of-the-gate Mark Hamill was leaving quotes left and right about how he didn't agree with how the character was handled. That justified those fans who disapproved of Luke in TLJ. But Luke did everything Yoda told him in Empire at the end. He became a luminous being to help our Heroes escape and not a Warrior (wars not make one great) that would get cut down by Kylo.

In regards to a hero's archetype it's almost as if they don't recognize that Rey was poor and alone and struggling to survive and then she does a good thing and helps a droid and gets caught up in a battle between good and evil and also discovers she has some magical powers. Sound like anyone the fans love from the OT? Oh no, that's right. Rey is a Mary Sue because she doesn't get target practice from a floating droid while the blast shield is down.

[excitingjae]

Originally Posted by thebridge15

oh shit that's a good highlight. what a self own

[Beefsteak1138]

Originally Posted by excitingjae

It didn't help that out-of-the-gate Mark Hamill was leaving quotes left and right about how he didn't agree with how the character was handled. That justified those fans who disapproved of Luke in TLJ. But Luke did everything Yoda told him in Empire at the end. He became a luminous being to help our Heroes escape and not a Warrior (wars not make one great) that would get cut down by Kylo.

In regards to a hero's archetype it's almost as if they don't recognize that Rey was poor and alone and struggling to survive and then she does a good thing and helps a droid and gets caught up in a battle between good and evil and also discovers she has some magical powers. Sound like anyone the fans love from the OT? Oh no, that's right. Rey is a Mary Sue because she doesn't get target practice from a floating droid while the blast shield is down.

God, it's embarrassing being a SW fan. Not because it's nerdy, I'm totally fine with that, but because of the ignorant and vitriol fanbase.

[thebridge15]

Originally Posted by excitingjae

It didn't help that out-of-the-gate Mark Hamill was leaving quotes left and right about how he didn't agree with how the character was handled. That justified those fans who disapproved of Luke in TLJ. But Luke did everything Yoda told him in Empire at the end. He became a luminous being to help our Heroes escape and not a Warrior (wars not make one great) that would get cut down by Kylo.

In regards to a hero's archetype it's almost as if they don't recognize that Rey was poor and alone and struggling to survive and then she does a good thing and helps a droid and gets caught up in a battle between good and evil and also discovers she has some magical powers. Sound like anyone the fans love from the OT? Oh no, that's right. Rey is a Mary Sue because she doesn't get target practice from a floating droid while the blast shield is down.

rey is a woman. not archetypal

[TwoStep2888]

Originally Posted by excitingjae

It didn't help that out-of-the-gate Mark Hamill was leaving quotes left and right about how he didn't agree with how the character was handled. That justified those fans who disapproved of Luke in TLJ. But Luke did everything Yoda told him in Empire at the end. He became a luminous being to help our Heroes escape and not a Warrior (wars not make one great) that would get cut down by Kylo.

In regards to a hero's archetype it's almost as if they don't recognize that Rey was poor and alone and struggling to survive and then she does a good thing and helps a droid and gets caught up in a battle between good and evil and also discovers she has some magical powers. Sound like anyone the fans love from the OT? Oh no, that's right. Rey is a Mary Sue because she doesn't get target practice from a floating droid while the blast shield is down.

[Jake]

Originally Posted by excitingjae

It didn't help that out-of-the-gate Mark Hamill was leaving quotes left and right about how he didn't agree with how the character was handled. That justified those fans who disapproved of Luke in TLJ. But Luke did everything Yoda told him in Empire at the end. He became a luminous being to help our Heroes escape and not a Warrior (wars not make one great) that would get cut down by Kylo.

In regards to a hero's archetype it's almost as if they don't recognize that Rey was poor and alone and struggling to survive and then she does a good thing and helps a droid and gets caught up in a battle between good and evil and also discovers she has some magical powers. Sound like anyone the fans love from the OT? Oh no, that's right. Rey is a Mary Sue because she doesn't get target practice from a floating droid while the blast shield is down.

I didn't need Mark Hamill to tell me TLJ sucked. I figured that out the Thursday night I saw it.

[excitingjae]

Originally Posted by Jake

I didn't need Mark Hamill to tell me TLJ sucked. I figured that out the Thursday night I saw it.

Would you like it remade?

remakethelastjedi.com

[TheLastStop123]

like I said after I first watched TLJ, I thoroughly enjoy the idea of creating something new - I just thought the execution of it was horrendous.

[smokew11]

Originally Posted by TheLastStop123

like I said after I first watched TLJ, I thoroughly enjoy the idea of creating something new - I just thought the execution of it was horrendous.

[Jake]

Originally Posted by excitingjae

Would you like it remade?

remakethelastjedi.com

it's too late - that ship sailed.


same with the prequels - nothing that can be done. But Star Wars is permanently damaged, for sure. Ep 9 will gross the least of the 3 new ones, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the next "star wars story" movie will be very carefully made.



Solo wasn't even that bad - but this is the ripple effect from TLJ