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Old 06-05-2018, 01:13 PM   #421
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Re: Again and Again (Formerly Bob Law)

As a musician I find a lot of these new songs very good and clever (for lack of a better word) from a writing perspective. Again and Again has the parallel key change (Ebm to Eb major). Come Tomorrow has the shifting time signatures. Black and Blue Bird (at least most of it) is in the very uncommon time of 5/8. These are just a few examples of subtle details you really come to appreciate when trying to learn a song and tab it out.

Dave's still finding new areas to explore after all these years.

Even vocally, on a song like TGIY his delivery is remarkable and totally unique IMO. Imagine anyone else trying to sing that song and nail it the way he does, from the female-jazz-singer-type vibrato in the high notes, to the complete opposite extreme with the guttural growl of the low note, with everything in between.

I am certainly not trying to fawn over these new songs but if you listen with an open mind there are tons of details to savor.

I don't say too much around here, but there seems to be too many kneejerk reactions that then turn into bandwagon opinions.

(not among the musicians, though ;-) )
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  • Old 06-05-2018, 03:05 PM   #422
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    Re: Again and Again (Formerly Bob Law)

    sorry for the multiple posts, I just keep editing and fine-tuning the tab.

    Code:
    Again and Again
    
    
    
    verse
    
    E-----------------------------------
    B----------------(6)-----------------
    G----------------(6)-----------------
    D------(4)---(4)--6----------------
    A---4H6-6---4H6---4------------------
    E-----------------------------------    X3
    
    or
    
    
    E-------------------------
    B---------------------------
    G---6/8-8-8--8-6-6-6----------
    D---x-x-x-x--x-x-x-x----------
    A---4/6-6-6--6\4-4-4------------
    E--------------------------- 
    
    chord change:  Ebm (x6887x) to Db (x4666x)
    The verse is variations of strumming the actual chords
    and hammering on and sliding between them
    
    
    
    "poison sting"
    
    E-----------------------------------
    B--4-----4-3-------------------------
    G--4-----3-3--------------------------
    D--4-----3-3--------------------------
    A--2-----1-1---------------------------  x2
    E-----------------------------------  
      
       B  /  Bbsus4 / Bb
    
    
    
    "breathe" / "..you are my queen"
    
    E-----------------------------------
    B--9p8-8---8h9-9-9p8----------------------
    G--8---8---8---8-8-----------------------
    D--8---8---8---8-8-----------------------
    A--6---6---6---6-6------------------------ 
    E--------------------------------------
    
       Ebsus4 / Eb / Ebsus4 / Eb
    
    
    
    "In and out here we go"
    
    E-----------------------------------
    B---8-8-8-8---------------------------
    G---8-8-8-8----------------------------
    D---8-8-8-8--------------------------
    A---6-5-x-x---------------------------
    E-------8-6--------------------------- 
    
    Eb / Eb/d / Cm7 / Eb/Bb
    
    
    
    "over and again.."
    
    E-----------------------------------
    B--(10)-(9)-(8)---------------------------
    G--8----8----8---------------------------
    D--10---10---8----------------------------
    A--9----8----6---------------------------
    E-----------------------------------
    
    Gdim / Fm7 / Eb
    
    
    
    
    bridge "Don't let it get away"
    
    E-----------------------------------
    B--6--4-----------------------------
    G--7--5------------------------------
    D--8--6----------------------------
    A--8--6-----------------------------
    E--6--4-------------------------------  x2
    
    first bridge goes back into verse riff 
    second bridge goes into Ebsus4 / Eb then back into chorus
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    Old 06-05-2018, 04:36 PM   #423
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    sorry for the multiple posts, I just keep editing and fine-tuning the tab
    Yeoman's work. Much appreciated
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    Old 06-05-2018, 07:13 PM   #424
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    Re: Again and Again (Formerly Bob Law)

    GODDAMMIT

    Gbdim in the chorus, not Gdim. Tab is correct but the chord name was wrong.
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    GODDAMMIT

    Gbdim in the chorus, not Gdim. Tab is correct but the chord name was wrong.
    Pretty sure the second chord in the chorus is Gm, not the Eb/D you have in your tab. Listen to Stefan and Dave’s piano in the recording.
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    Old 06-06-2018, 07:56 AM   #426
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    This song is SO well mixed and recorded. Using high quality equipment, there is so much Timbre and dynamics, it sounds fat as fuck and so smooth.
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    Old 06-06-2018, 12:26 PM   #427
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    Pretty sure the second chord in the chorus is Gm, not the Eb/D you have in your tab. Listen to Stefan and Dave’s piano in the recording.
    if it is it is a gmin/d. i am definitely hearing the bass walkdown from Eb.
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    I know that this was talked about earlier in this thread, but something is off with the drumming in this track. I definitely feel that samples/loops are involved. The double bass drum phrasing is odd at times. The snare drum sounds too consistent. The splash cymbal seems like it is the most prominent cymbal hit, and in weird times- especially to kick off the song right on beat 1.

    #notmycarter
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    Old 06-06-2018, 01:29 PM   #429
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    I know that this was talked about earlier in this thread, but something is off with the drumming in this track. I definitely feel that samples/loops are involved. The double bass drum phrasing is odd at times. The snare drum sounds too consistent. The splash cymbal seems like it is the most prominent cymbal hit, and in weird times- especially to kick off the song right on beat 1.

    #notmycarter
    Someone else was saying this before. Mainly about the snare and splash sounding like samples. I think it sounds like the snare is a sample in Samurai Cop too, especially in some of the fills.

    I don’t think for a second and of it is programmed or Carter playing electric drums though. I think John Alagia might have used something like the Slate Trigger plug-in to do some snare sound replacing in the mix. That way it would be what Carter played, but a sampled sound replacing his snare (or whatever drum/cymbal) in the mixing program.
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    Old 06-06-2018, 01:43 PM   #430
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    Perfect example of what may have been done in post production, yes. I reached out to a recording friend of mine, and he suggested something similar.

    Good call!
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    Old 06-06-2018, 01:47 PM   #431
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    I wonder if this is going to feel like a very un-unified album with the different producers mixing.
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    I wonder if this is going to feel like a very un-unified album with the different producers mixing.
    That is what the guy who reviewed it on here today said about it.
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    Old 06-06-2018, 07:35 PM   #433
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    Re: Again and Again (Formerly Bob Law)

    “In and out, here we GO...”

    Best part of the album.
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    Old 06-06-2018, 08:24 PM   #434
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    This, She, COCO are clearly the best songs on this album.
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    Old 06-06-2018, 09:28 PM   #435
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    if it is it is a gmin/d. i am definitely hearing the bass walkdown from Eb.
    So this was bothering me all day while I was at work and didn't have a chance to listen. I for sure hear the bassline walking down from Eb to Bb, I hope someone will back me up on this. Even if my ears have deceived me, the note d is part of as G minor chord (G Bb D), in which case we can agree that there is a D note being played somewhere in the 2nd bar.

    So..

    For the 2nd chord in the chorus we have

    Eb/d vs. Gm/d

    Eb/d = D Bb Eb G

    Gm/d = D G Bb

    You will notice that both chords share THREE notes in common - G, Bb, and D. Those three chords make up a G minor triad, in which case you would be right in labeling this a G minor chord.

    The only difference is that Eb note. If that note is being sustained throughout those first couple bars in the chorus, then that second chord is indeed a Eb/d, or a Ebmaj7/d. While the lowest Eb in the bass does in fact drop to a d, I hear that higher octave Eb sustaining throughout. However, I have been at work and, while I have thought about this a great deal (should have been focused on my work, but I digress), I have not had a chance to listen. This I will now do.
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    Old 06-07-2018, 12:34 AM   #436
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    Best song on the album.
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    Old 06-07-2018, 08:33 AM   #437
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    Great song! really excited to hear it live with Buddy on bass synth and how Stefan will groove with him.
    One thing I've noticed with the passing of time is how Stefan's gear and mixing usually seems not to be the best for slaping and thumbing. It sounds kind of timid, contrived..it's not his technique at all, I believe. Dancing Nancies (studio or live) is a classic example, also whenever he slaps during Jimi outro, Thank You, True Reflections...
    that actually works with this song, because of the synth though
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    Old 06-07-2018, 09:22 AM   #438
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    Loving this song!
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    if it is it is a gmin/d. i am definitely hearing the bass walkdown from Eb.
    Are you talking about the bass in Dave’s piano? Or the baseline Stefan plays during the choruses?

    Stefan plays Eb - G - Ab - Eb - Gb - F - Eb during the chorus. You can clearly hear it, and see it when he does it live.
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    Me likey.
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    By far one of the best tracks on the album
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    “In and out, here we GO...”

    Best part of the album.
    Whoever came up with that idea should have had more input in the album lol
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    This was one of my most anticipated tracks, really wish Stefan had a funkier tone though. Can’t wait for them to play it live, only got it once in 2016
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    Top 3 off the album for me right now.
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    I do like this song.
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