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Old 01-12-2021, 06:27 AM   #9691
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The first part of the documentary was so negative because it spent a lot of time focusing on how Earl shaped Tiger into who he became and Earl was a gigantic asshole. I knew that headed in, but some of the interviews they did for the documentary did a great job of presenting that in a way I had never heard before. A few that come to mind are Tiger's first girlfriend, the club pro at the Navy course and Tiger's kindergarten teacher.
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    Having finished the first episode last night, I will backtrack a bit on my "overly negative" take from yesterday. I am in agreement with muskie that there's a lot more to the story and some of the tangential interviews add some nice color to the story. I really was not aware of the level of Earl's infidelity, that definitely puts Tiger's own marital woes into a new perspective for me.
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    The second part has to be pretty dark too. I’m sure there will be some humor around the Navy Seal shit, but he’s going to lose his dad, destroy his marriage, and have his body fail.
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    2021 Masters in April to be played with "limited attendance". Ticket holders will be notified by MON 1/18 if they still get tickets, or if their tickets are cancelled and refunded. If cancelled/refunded we're guaranteed the same tickets for 2022.
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    Watched the first part and enjoyed it. Lots of insight that I hadn't heard before. Already knew that Earl was an ass but didn't realize the extent of his womanizing. I'll probably watch it again before I watch part 2.
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    Old 01-16-2021, 04:31 AM   #9696
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    Old 01-16-2021, 12:36 PM   #9697
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    Old 01-19-2021, 03:37 PM   #9698
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    Tiger back surgery #5
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    Old 01-19-2021, 05:29 PM   #9699
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    I have to assume this is basically it. Maybe one last Masters in 2022 to say goodbye.
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    It was just a microdiscectomy...basically no rehab involved.

    His biggest problem he’ll face (and I’m sure he has faced) is scar tissue
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    Old 01-19-2021, 07:11 PM   #9701
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    Scar tissue is a bitch, it's an issue for me in an area where I've had 5 surgeries, I'd imagine a back would be similar
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    Old 01-19-2021, 10:29 PM   #9702
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    Tiger Pt I & II was really enjoyable. Maybe one day he will participate in a Last Dance style tell all about his entire career after it is all said and done and he's an old man.
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    i enjoyed the tiger documentary. perhaps a bit gossipy but what else would you expect? his playing career has been under a microscope his entire life so for them to focus on just golf wouldnt be much of a story.

    i think its kinda bogus that they only gave like 12 minutes at the end of ep 2 for his redemption arc, after talking so much about how his career and life went down the tubes. perhaps a little more on his comeback would have been nice.

    i laughed towards the end when that guy said "there are tour pros who have said 'i cant wait to be in the hunt with tiger on sunday at a major.' THE FUCK YOU DO. You have no idea what you're getting into"

    as with most documentaries, i'm sure they left out important details to help keep it in line with their vision, but as i said, i enjoyed it
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    I ended up being disappointed in the documentary. It did a really poor job of capturing both how dominant Tiger was at his peak and incredible his comeback was to win the 2019 Masters. I couldn't believe that it glossed over spinal fusion surgery. The doc really suffered from a lack of focus on his golf career.

    Thinking about it though, I don't know that it will be possible to make a Tiger documentary compelling on the level that The Last Dance was without Tiger's involvement. Tiger's reach and influence is so strong within the sport that you won't get the people needed to participate unless he was on board with it. One glaring omission to the documentary was the true level of Tiger's dominance and how much it intimidated other players. It needed more people like Rocco talking about what it was like to go toe-to-toe against Tiger in his prime, and those are interviews that are probably nearly impossible to get without Tiger's consent.
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    Old 01-20-2021, 06:48 AM   #9705
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    I thought the Last Dance was okay, glossed over a lot, it's good to hear Tiger's documentary showed the part of his story I'm more interested in. I'm looking forward to watching it when I can.
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    yeah honestly the last dance was not really that good insofar as delivering the goods on what they promised, which was the all-access 1998 tapes.

    it was "the parts of the all-access 1998 tapes that michael jordan and his team of lawyers, business advisors, and PR flacks wanted you to see." it was entertaining, sure, but it was not by any stretch of the imagination any kind of look behind the curtain.

    the tiger doc was better than TLD in that regard; in that specifically because tiger was not involved, people interviewed for and the producers of the doc were free to say/include what they wanted. the problem IMO was that the people who could really give us/I what we/I wanted were either dead (earl), subject to an airtight non-disclosure agreement (elin), or still suckling at the wealth teat of tiger's brand (notah, others)

    touching on UNC41's point, I agree that it would have been nice to have interviews from contemporaries, but disagree that any of those people needed tiger's permission or would ever think to even ask. phil would have been a good get, but I imagine he probably is trying to let sleeping dogs lie at this point. but there are dozens of other golfers who have plenty of money in the bank that lost to tiger in those days that are sitting around doing nothing.
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    sergio would be a great interview, mostly to see if he bitches about how he stood no chance against tiger in his prime lol.
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    sergio would be a great interview, mostly to see if he bitches about how he stood no chance against tiger in his prime lol.
    yeah exactly...sergio, rich beem, rory sabbatini, chris demarco, vijay/paul tesori (tiger who?), colin montgomerie, stephen ames, luke donald, ian poulter...any of those guys would have been great additions
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    yeah exactly...sergio, rich beem, rory sabbatini, chris demarco, vijay/paul tesori (tiger who?), colin montgomerie, stephen ames, luke donald, ian poulter...any of those guys would have been great additions
    That's actually a great idea for a stand alone documentary. All the guys that were runner-up to Tiger in Majors. Then maybe end it with perspective from Y.E. Yang.

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    yeah exactly...sergio, rich beem, rory sabbatini, chris demarco, vijay/paul tesori (tiger who?), colin montgomerie, stephen ames, luke donald, ian poulter...any of those guys would have been great additions

    I'd add Rocco Mediate


    How much of the documentary goes into how Tiger's injuries were his own doing out of stupidity? Any mention of the drugs, ped's?
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    How much of the documentary goes into how Tiger's injuries were his own doing out of stupidity? Any mention of the drugs, ped's?
    no mention of drugs/PED's but they talk about how him doing SEAL training was dumb because of the toll it took on his body
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    Rocco was in the doc. He and Faldo are the only two golfers I recall being interviewed. Either no additional former/current golfers were willing to participate in the doc or the directors chose not to include them in telling their story. I think the former is a lot more likely. Tiger's influence over the sport is just still so strong.

    PEDs were not mentioned. All of the drugs Tiger had in his system when he got his DUI were discussed, as was his dependence on using Ambien to help with his struggles falling asleep.

    The first part of the doc was a lot stronger than the second.
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    Old 01-28-2021, 01:07 PM   #9713
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    I've never seen Matthew Wolff struggle this much, yikes
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    He's the Jordan Spieth of Rickie Fowler's.
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    I love Torrey...even more when Tiger is playing.
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    More Patrick Reed controversy brewing
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    And now seeing the video of the ball bouncing before being "embedded"...and he's defending it now

    When I saw it live a few hours ago before heading out with the wife on a long walk I said "he made the embedded divot with the ball and his finger"
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    And now seeing the video of the ball bouncing before being "embedded"...and he's defending it now

    When I saw it live a few hours ago before heading out with the wife on a long walk I said "he made the embedded divot with the ball and his finger"
    Yeah, when I saw it earlier I’m like... here we go again. Now seeing the video of the bounce, there’s no doubt he was lying.
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