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Old 12-19-2014, 09:44 AM   #211
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SK admitted it herself--"well, we thought it would just be really easy. we thought we'd find some fact that just cracked the case open."

we thought we, NPR reporters, could do the job of experienced people, in any number of fields, better than they could. that's our pitch.
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    You were interested with Mr S? For real?
    Yeah, I would be interested to learn more about him, because they kind of never mentioned him again after telling his story. And that's probably because he had no importance to the case. It was just strange that he found the body when everyone seemed to indicate how hard it would have been to notice if you weren't looking for it.
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    yes, the long and storied history of the podcast
    An average of 850,000 listeners per episode is nothing to scoff at, regardless of how long the medium has been in existence.
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    Old 12-19-2014, 09:47 AM   #214
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    SK admitted it herself--"well, we thought it would just be really easy. we thought we'd find some fact that just cracked the case open."

    we thought we, NPR reporters, could do the job of experienced people, in any number of fields, better than they could. that's our pitch.
    And it worked. Not sure what you're trying to prove here.

    That's journalism, she uncovered a lot of things. Just because there wasn't a big ending doesn't mean it failed.
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    Old 12-19-2014, 09:47 AM   #215
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    SK admitted it herself--"well, we thought it would just be really easy. we thought we'd find some fact that just cracked the case open."

    we thought we, NPR reporters, could do the job of experienced people, in any number of fields, better than they could. that's our pitch.
    Dude, I don't think you get it.
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    and I'm not arguing over whether it worked insofar as drawing an audience--quite obviously it did. I don't think it worked as a story or as a concept. these are real people with real lives. what exactly do you expect someone who hypothetically covered up a murder to say? what exactly do you expect a guy in prison for murder to say when his appeal is forthcoming??

    I think it could have really worked if the crime committed was something with a SoL that had run. Or with someone who has already gotten out of prison for time served, and wants to clear their name. Then people could talk more freely.
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    Old 12-19-2014, 09:50 AM   #217
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    And it worked. Not sure what you're trying to prove here.

    That's journalism, she uncovered a lot of things. Just because there wasn't a big ending doesn't mean it failed.
    There is a difference between uncovering something and telling an audience something that's freely available. both have their merits, to be sure. but what did she tell the world that wasn't in the court records?
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    Dude, I don't think you get it.
    that's great argumentation, and probably true. anyone that has ever disagreed with you, they probably just didn't get it either.
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    But the story did work. you just didn't like it.
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    that's great argumentation, and probably true. anyone that has ever disagreed with you, they probably just didn't get it either.
    No, I'm not pulling the Radiohead defense here. I'm not saying that you didn't "get" Serial. I'm saying you "don't get it" to the fact that your argument to support your opinion on the podcast is one that doesn't make sense.
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    Old 12-19-2014, 09:56 AM   #221
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    There is a difference between uncovering something and telling an audience something that's freely available. both have their merits, to be sure. but what did she tell the world that wasn't in the court records?
    It's a means of storytelling and reporting. Guess you can just throw out the newspaper, you can find all that info yourself.
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    Old 12-19-2014, 09:57 AM   #222
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    Yeah, I would be interested to learn more about him, because they kind of never mentioned him again after telling his story. And that's probably because he had no importance to the case. It was just strange that he found the body when everyone seemed to indicate how hard it would have been to notice if you weren't looking for it.
    Yeah that episode pissed me off. Only one person that saw it in person said they didn't notice it at first.

    Two people look at the same area and see completely different things.

    Honestly, it seems very clear to me he had nothing to do with it.
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    again, in what sense? how did the story work? The story was laid out in episode 1, and nothing was added. Poor girl is dead. A lot of people think Adnan did it, and he can't remember a single thing about the day. Some people don't think he did it. Jay is lying about something and/or everything. Adnan's attorney didn't do the best job. There might be an alibi from Asia McLane.

    what happened in episodes 2-12 that added anything to any of these items?
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    It's a means of storytelling and reporting. Guess you can just throw out the newspaper, you can find all that info yourself.
    And America seems to be doing just that (throwing out the newspaper).
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    But those are bulletpoints. Each (or most of) were (attempted to be) fleshed out in succeeding episodes.
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    again, in what sense? how did the story work? The story was laid out in episode 1, and nothing was added. Poor girl is dead. A lot of people think Adnan did it, and he can't remember a single thing about the day. Some people don't think he did it. Jay is lying about something and/or everything. Adnan's attorney didn't do the best job. There might be an alibi from Asia McLane.

    what happened in episodes 2-12 that added anything to any of these items?
    But those are bulletpoints. Each (or most of) were (attempted to be) fleshed out in succeeding episodes. She didn't promise to offer a conclusion did she?
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    exactly, attempted to be. that's my problem with the show. this stuff is evergreen until january 15th (and I think beyond then, b/c then you can actually get some closure). There is no need to muddle through every week and put out a podcast just because you pitched 12 podcasts and a story told over that period. get all this info into one place then cut what doesn't work or doesn't help, and present what you have then. there's no reason to allow your opinion to be swayed, and your presentation to be swayed, every time you get a new perspective.
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    exactly, attempted to be. that's my problem with the show. this stuff is evergreen until january 15th (and I think beyond then, b/c then you can actually get some closure). There is no need to muddle through every week and put out a podcast just because you pitched 12 podcasts and a story told over that period. get all this info into one place then cut what doesn't work or doesn't help, and present what you have then. there's no reason to allow your opinion to be swayed, and your presentation to be swayed, every time you get a new perspective.
    But, even though you disagree with it's delivery, could you see how presenting it like that could be entertaining (and maybe sensationalized) to the general public? (thus making it more popular)

    EDIT: and there have been articles about how ethical it is journalistically due to its delivery method.

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    again, in what sense? how did the story work? The story was laid out in episode 1, and nothing was added. Poor girl is dead. A lot of people think Adnan did it, and he can't remember a single thing about the day. Some people don't think he did it. Jay is lying about something and/or everything. Adnan's attorney didn't do the best job. There might be an alibi from Asia McLane.

    what happened in episodes 2-12 that added anything to any of these items?
    I kind of agree. My main problem was as the series went on, it only became increasingly obvious he was guilty (in my eyes). That doesn't make for a good story IMO.

    Just felt like she wasted my time, which I understand she wants listeners, but I just doubt I listen to season 2. Majority would have to convince me it's much better.
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    "hey, I have a podcast on a story I researched and it has no ending, it was all pointless...enjoy!"

    The point of the podcast was to emerge ourselves into the case together. No one knowing how it was going to end or what information would be uncovered. You obviously don't like that kind of story, no worries. But, millions did and I don't see that changing next season.
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    Season 2 won't necessarily be an unsolved crime story. It could be about anything. In the about section on the podcast's webpage "Serial is a podcast where we unfold one nonfiction story, week by week, over the course of a season."
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    "hey, I have a podcast on a story I researched and it has no ending, it was all pointless...enjoy!"

    The point of the podcast was to emerge ourselves into the case together. No one knowing how it was going to end or what information would be uncovered. You obviously don't like that kind of story, no worries. But, millions did and I don't see that changing next season.
    Yeah, I don't get the fuss. I enjoyed the podcast. Sure, a neat and tidy Hollywood ending would have been cool, but giving us all the info available and leaving it up to us to draw our own conclusions is OK by me.
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    "hey, I have a podcast on a story I researched and it has no ending, it was all pointless...enjoy!"

    The point of the podcast was to emerge ourselves into the case together. No one knowing how it was going to end or what information would be uncovered. You obviously don't like that kind of story, no worries. But, millions did and I don't see that changing next season.
    But that quite clearly was not the point of the podcast, according to literally everyone involved. SK states in no uncertain terms that she thought they'd solve the case fairly quickly.

    This sums it up pretty well: http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/ser...7/+robharvilla
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    Then she got all the facts and just....had time to fill.
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    Season two could be about the civil war and people would literally expect it to end with Lee sitting in the Oval Office.
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    And to further clarify, saying "you don't like it because it didn't have a neat ending" is arguing against a straw man. I didn't like it because it was a group of people who realized that either they were overmatched or had picked the wrong story about a third of the way into the enterprise
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    cant believe all the bitchin in this thread. dont fucking listen then, geezus.
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    cant believe all the bitchin in this thread. dont fucking listen then, geezus.
    You realize this is exactly the "if you hate dmb so much, stop going to shows and posting on a dmb message board" argument, right?
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    And to further clarify, saying "you don't like it because it didn't have a neat ending" is arguing against a straw man. I didn't like it because it was a group of people who realized that either they were overmatched or had picked the wrong story about a third of the way into the enterprise
    OK, then I disagree that this podcast was just a bunch of filler, especially compared to all the other investigative podcats. But maybe you should just tell me why I actually hate it.
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    this is awesome! cereal wrap up! http://youtu.be/2V3PYOEinA0

    mark hoppus looks like he's had too much face work done. and as always, natalie manes is a cunt.
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