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Old 08-21-2021, 10:03 PM   #31
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What I would hope everyone would takeaway from this is that no one should EVER make assumptions that what things look like on the surface is also what is going on behind the scenes- with ANY band. It is almost ALWAYS more complicated than it looks like on the surface.

I feel like Facebook has taught that over and over again on a normal, non-celebrity level, in that most people only put the good stuff and highlights out there, but then you find out the couple with perfect looking children who are always smiling in vacation pictures were like selling human organs on the black market or something. Seriously, when humans are involved, there is likely PLENTY going on behind the public face that most people have no clue about.

Then add fame, money, power and being surrounded by yes men and yes women and you have the recipe for... complicated dynamics. And often serious falls from grace.

So I understand when you just don't imagine things are bad, then being really disappointed to find out how complicated or dysfunctional they were. But maybe know now that no one knows what's not obvious, but also no one should assume that just because we don't see problems, there aren't any. Or there aren't any deep problems.

And I guess I'll also add to this viewpoint to the above comment:

So, totally unrelated to DMB, I was friends with another band for years, and then they broke up, and then an author who was also a long-time friend of the same band was writing a book about them and someone told him to contact me. We spent about 8 hours in total over 2 days walking around that band's town, talking about them. There were the official interview questions, and then there were a LOT of "off the record" exchanges between us (because we both knew them well) where I found out that as much as I knew was dysfunctional about the band, I found out SO MUCH MORE that was even more deeply crazy than I knew. I also didn't tell the author the super private stuff I knew, because I felt like those things were for the band members themselves to share or not share. And I'm sure there's plenty he didn't tell me. But he told me a lot of what he was finding out from the interviews, probably because he knew I'd never breathe a word of it to anyone.

And just to be clear, this is a group of truly awesome humans, they are brilliant and talented and good people mostly. And still... incredibly dramatic stuff happening over the years.

When the book came out, a lot of people in their camp were upset about it, even though all the info came from them, their friends, their management, and their families. AND... as upset as they were, I just kept thinking "Really? You're upset about what was published? How about being grateful for all the shit that was NOT published!"

Not gonna say the name of the band because they truly have NOTHING to do with DMB, but I guess I just share all that as an example of just how deeply complicated things can be behind the scenes, to the point that even people behind the scenes with them can find out there is even more, further behind the scenes that was totally not known.

So I totally get being sad, or disappointed, and definitely get being surprised to find out about drama behidn the scenes with members of DMB. But maybe take away that indeed, you just never ever know what all is going on behidn the scenes with anyone. No matter how happy or together or chill a group of people seems or you find them to be when you meet them.

Don't make any assumptions, just appreciate what you know is good/great about them and chalk the rest up to "I'll react when I find out" or "TBD".

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    Here is what we do know about Boyd. He is a creep and somewhat of a predator.
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    Here is what we do know about Boyd. He is a creep and somewhat of a predator.
    He's very erotic.
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    He was active on Cameo pretty recently.
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    I wonder if any member of the band pays any attention to the state of Boyd - at min what we all can infer from public appearance. Between his recent two man band effort to his activity on cameo… they would have to have some sympathy for their former band mate and brother, right? While they tour and record new songs, enjoying life - the contrast in lives lived is stark. Or maybe they are happy for him making his own way.
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    Old 08-22-2021, 06:02 PM   #36
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    And I guess I'll also add to this viewpoint to the above comment:

    So, totally unrelated to DMB, I was friends with another band for years, and then they broke up, and then an author who was also a long-time friend of the same band was writing a book about them and someone told him to contact me. We spent about 8 hours in total over 2 days walking around that band's town, talking about them. There were the official interview questions, and then there were a LOT of "off the record" exchanges between us (because we both knew them well) where I found out that as much as I knew was dysfunctional about the band, I found out SO MUCH MORE that was even more deeply crazy than I knew. I also didn't tell the author the super private stuff I knew, because I felt like those things were for the band members themselves to share or not share. And I'm sure there's plenty he didn't tell me. But he told me a lot of what he was finding out from the interviews, probably because he knew I'd never breathe a word of it to anyone.

    And just to be clear, this is a group of truly awesome humans, they are brilliant and talented and good people mostly. And still... incredibly dramatic stuff happening over the years.

    When the book came out, a lot of people in their camp were upset about it, even though all the info came from them, their friends, their management, and their families. AND... as upset as they were, I just kept thinking "Really? You're upset about what was published? How about being grateful for all the shit that was NOT published!"

    Not gonna say the name of the band because they truly have NOTHING to do with DMB, but I guess I just share all that as an example of just how deeply complicated things can be behind the scenes, to the point that even people behind the scenes with them can find out there is even more, further behind the scenes that was totally not known.

    So I totally get being sad, or disappointed, and definitely get being surprised to find out about drama behidn the scenes with members of DMB. But maybe take away that indeed, you just never ever know what all is going on behidn the scenes with anyone. No matter how happy or together or chill a group of people seems or you find them to be when you meet them.

    Don't make any assumptions, just appreciate what you know is good/great about them and chalk the rest up to "I'll react when I find out" or "TBD".
    Yikes. Sounds like a band we would all know if they had any kind of book written on them.
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    Boyd was a true professional. And he could play the violin. Very well. Awesomely in fact. Tell the H.S. music teacher he or she plays and teaches at the high school level, should stay at that level and has no business evaluating a professional musician. I know it is popular to bash Boyd. Almost everyone does without thinking and without having any credentials at all. But I think Boyd can take it. What do most of you know about playing the violin, anyway? Seriously asking. Just asking. Just wanting to know. There are all of you music critics on Ants. Crazy! What qualifies you to critique anyone's playing? Do you know how difficult it is to play the violin? What do you know about the violin? Who would you point to that is a great rock n' roll violinist? What was so terribly awful about Boyd's playing? The answer? Nothing. He was a quality strings player. You da man Boyd
    Letís start with what YOU know about playing the violin, because saying ďnothingĒ was wrong with his playing raises a lot of questions. It came to a point where he couldnít play without noticeable issue.

    Then there is the fact that his solos were just repetitions up and down modes of the key of the song, something an intermediate player of any instrument can do. Being able to pick up the violin and play the thing you know on a handful of songs doesnít make you a talented violinist. It means you have a few tricks up your sleeve, that mixed with theatrics, made him a good fit.

    Thatís not to say he isnít a good musician. There are many aspects to it, and he was a tight part of the band. His timing, etc. all great. You canít play with people like he did and not be a pro. But understanding theory and all that doesnít mean a thing if you do not have complete mastery over your playing, and he did not. Not even close. Thatís a well documented fact.
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    Letís start with what YOU know about playing the violin, because saying ďnothingĒ was wrong with his playing raises a lot of questions. It came to a point where he couldnít play without noticeable issue.

    Then there is the fact that his solos were just repetitions up and down modes of the key of the song, something an intermediate player of any instrument can do. Being able to pick up the violin and play the thing you know on a handful of songs doesnít make you a talented violinist. It means you have a few tricks up your sleeve, that mixed with theatrics, made him a good fit.

    Thatís not to say he isnít a good musician. There are many aspects to it, and he was a tight part of the band. His timing, etc. all great. You canít play with people like he did and not be a pro. But understanding theory and all that doesnít mean a thing if you do not have complete mastery over your playing, and he did not. Not even close. Thatís a well documented fact.
    The overwhelming majority of audience members at a DMB show don't possess a modicum of violin acumen and are unable to recognize Boyd's musical limitations; all they see is a badass dude with dreadlocks absolutely shredding on a instrument that's typically not utilized in this type of musical setting. To the untrained ear, his simple solos sound awesome and like an example of a harder "rock violin" sound. If you put a virtuoso like Joshua Bell on stage with DMB, he would undoubtedly play more complex and melodic solos than Boyd but I bet casual fans would lambaste him and criticize his playing for sounding "too classical" or "not energetic enough." To most DMB fans, Boyd is a killer violinist because they know nothing about the violin. People can recognize adroit and average guitar playing because so much music features the guitar, they're naÔve when it comes to the violin though. When you know nothing about the instrument, Boyd seems like an absolute God compared to the asshole you saw playing violin at a mainstream country show. By being significantly inferior to other professional violinists, Boyd is is able to seem unique to some listeners since he's playing a simple style that most skilled violin players never replicate in their live performances.
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    Letís start with what YOU know about playing the violin, because saying ďnothingĒ was wrong with his playing raises a lot of questions. It came to a point where he couldnít play without noticeable issue.

    Then there is the fact that his solos were just repetitions up and down modes of the key of the song, something an intermediate player of any instrument can do. Being able to pick up the violin and play the thing you know on a handful of songs doesnít make you a talented violinist. It means you have a few tricks up your sleeve, that mixed with theatrics, made him a good fit.

    Thatís not to say he isnít a good musician. There are many aspects to it, and he was a tight part of the band. His timing, etc. all great. You canít play with people like he did and not be a pro. But understanding theory and all that doesnít mean a thing if you do not have complete mastery over your playing, and he did not. Not even close. Thatís a well documented fact.
    I feel like I remember hearing missteps even from early tapes when I was younger. I know nothing about the violin - but Boyd was never really what I listened for, although I did appreciate his additions to songs like dancing nancies and liog. his ability to work within the tempo and rhythm, and thus "strum" his violin (i don't know what you call moving the bow back and forth) in a number of different ways within the rhythm always seemed pretty decent. it was his ability at times to produce the correct note and have it be a quality sound. note and quality of sound. This issue seemed to get worse with time, which then seemed to lead to him limiting his solos and their range, and eventually limited his playing altogether to where his contributions were plucks of a few notes. it was bizarre to me. in my mind, which means nothing, it appeared as if he gave up. some people said he had surgery and that impacted his ability, especially with the bow drops. I don't know. I wish he would have worked out. I wish he would have given more. He was not what I listened for, sadly. He still will always be a founding member of my favorite band of all time, having made solid contributions at one time, and I hope he is ok. I hope he finds his way.
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    Old 08-22-2021, 11:40 PM   #40
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    I wonder if any member of the band pays any attention to the state of Boyd - at min what we all can infer from public appearance. Between his recent two man band effort to his activity on cameoÖ they would have to have some sympathy for their former band mate and brother, right? While they tour and record new songs, enjoying life - the contrast in lives lived is stark. Or maybe they are happy for him making his own way.
    It really depends on how long behind the scenes they were trying to get him to change his ways, and how much he did or didn't listen to them. If bad stuff was going down for a long time, why do you think they'd feel sorry for him now? But if it all happened suddenly (which it did not), then maybe I'd see how they might feel like it was a "bad period". But it didn't all happen suddenly.
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    And I guess I'll also add to this viewpoint to the above comment:

    So, totally unrelated to DMB, I was friends with another band for years, and then they broke up, and then an author who was also a long-time friend of the same band was writing a book about them and someone told him to contact me. We spent about 8 hours in total over 2 days walking around that band's town, talking about them. There were the official interview questions, and then there were a LOT of "off the record" exchanges between us (because we both knew them well) where I found out that as much as I knew was dysfunctional about the band, I found out SO MUCH MORE that was even more deeply crazy than I knew. I also didn't tell the author the super private stuff I knew, because I felt like those things were for the band members themselves to share or not share. And I'm sure there's plenty he didn't tell me. But he told me a lot of what he was finding out from the interviews, probably because he knew I'd never breathe a word of it to anyone.

    And just to be clear, this is a group of truly awesome humans, they are brilliant and talented and good people mostly. And still... incredibly dramatic stuff happening over the years.

    When the book came out, a lot of people in their camp were upset about it, even though all the info came from them, their friends, their management, and their families. AND... as upset as they were, I just kept thinking "Really? You're upset about what was published? How about being grateful for all the shit that was NOT published!"

    Not gonna say the name of the band because they truly have NOTHING to do with DMB, but I guess I just share all that as an example of just how deeply complicated things can be behind the scenes, to the point that even people behind the scenes with them can find out there is even more, further behind the scenes that was totally not known.

    So I totally get being sad, or disappointed, and definitely get being surprised to find out about drama behidn the scenes with members of DMB. But maybe take away that indeed, you just never ever know what all is going on behidn the scenes with anyone. No matter how happy or together or chill a group of people seems or you find them to be when you meet them.

    Don't make any assumptions, just appreciate what you know is good/great about them and chalk the rest up to "I'll react when I find out" or "TBD".
    Insightful stuff. You once commented about some of the members of DMB having fraud syndRome and thatís really stuck with me the last couple of years.
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    The overwhelming majority of audience members at a DMB show don't possess a modicum of violin acumen and are unable to recognize Boyd's musical limitations; all they see is a badass dude with dreadlocks absolutely shredding on a instrument that's typically not utilized in this type of musical setting. To the untrained ear, his simple solos sound awesome and like an example of a harder "rock violin" sound. If you put a virtuoso like Joshua Bell on stage with DMB, he would undoubtedly play more complex and melodic solos than Boyd but I bet casual fans would lambaste him and criticize his playing for sounding "too classical" or "not energetic enough." To most DMB fans, Boyd is a killer violinist because they know nothing about the violin. People can recognize adroit and average guitar playing because so much music features the guitar, they're naÔve when it comes to the violin though. When you know nothing about the instrument, Boyd seems like an absolute God compared to the asshole you saw playing violin at a mainstream country show. By being significantly inferior to other professional violinists, Boyd is is able to seem unique to some listeners since he's playing a simple style that most skilled violin players never replicate in their live performances.
    This is true and I will admit that I donít have much interest in another violin player because of the energy he brought over actual sound playing ability.
    That said, seeing a sound player and comparing, BT canít keep up.
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    He's probably just chilling in Narnia
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    Insightful stuff. You once commented about some of the members of DMB having fraud syndRome and thatís really stuck with me the last couple of years.
    Wow, you have an extraordinary memory! I don't even remember saying that, but I believe it so I'm not surprised I did.

    Honestly, most humans have a level of Fraud Syndrome, and most very famous or very powerful people absolutely have it. Understanding that can change so much about how "civilians" (non-famous/non-super powerful people) interact with the famous and powerful, for the better.

    Sadly, another side of fame (which probably affected Boyd) is that the more famous you get, the less people hold you accountable or more able you are to shut out the people who are trying to give you good advice. I don't know anything about any specific conversations that happened between Boyd & other band members or management, but I know it just gets harder because it's much easier to isolate when you are famous, even if the people trying to talk to you are just as famous as you are.
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    I can't believe so many people here gave him a pass so long as he prancercised on stage while making a mockery of what a violin can sound in a rock band.
    I'm absolutely guilty of this. I used to defend him and his playing to anyone who would ever say anything negative. Now I listen to later Boyd-era shows and I I'm sort of disgusted by how bad he would find himself sounding.

    As much as I miss the OG-DMB sound (and man, do I miss it), this seems to be the healthiest version of this Band.

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    thank you. never knew about roi and drugs. I wonder to what extend he used them beyond maybe weed. he was my hero growing up. miss the guy.
    It was (at least) coke. I'm not saying that to blemish the man's name or reputation. I'll freely admit that I had a nasty drug addiction for years. It is what it is.

    But, per a very reliable source who spoke to me about it years ago, it was coke.
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    Wow. I wouldn't bat an eye if it came to light Boyd was on coke, but I'm taken aback Roi had a habit.
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    Wow. I wouldn't bat an eye if it came to light Boyd was on coke, but I'm taken aback Roi had a habit.
    That's how I felt. I don't know how bad it was. I don't picture Roi looking like Tony Montana at the end of Scarface with a pile of coke on his desk. But apparently it was somewhat of a "thing".
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    Letís start with what YOU know about playing the violin, because saying ďnothingĒ was wrong with his playing raises a lot of questions. It came to a point where he couldnít play without noticeable issue.

    Then there is the fact that his solos were just repetitions up and down modes of the key of the song, something an intermediate player of any instrument can do. Being able to pick up the violin and play the thing you know on a handful of songs doesnít make you a talented violinist. It means you have a few tricks up your sleeve, that mixed with theatrics, made him a good fit.

    Thatís not to say he isnít a good musician. There are many aspects to it, and he was a tight part of the band. His timing, etc. all great. You canít play with people like he did and not be a pro. But understanding theory and all that doesnít mean a thing if you do not have complete mastery over your playing, and he did not. Not even close. Thatís a well documented fact.
    In terms of knowing how to build excitement in a solo and when to ease back, he was great at that. In that sense he knew how to time his dynamics. Everyone in that original band had excellent dynamics. Even Boyd. But his actual sense of time was terrible. There are so many times Carter had to either start tapping quarter notes on the hi hat to reel him back in, or straight up reset the time because he was so off.

    I was listening to Grey Street from last Fridayís Mansfield show and noticed that Buddy has now dropped the keys altogether on that song and is playing synth violin throughout. I love that they have recognized that sound needs a better cover than an organ, and it sounded pretty good for what it is. At least sounds fuller. But if they notice it so much that they are resorting to synth violinÖI mean do I even have to say it?
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    Was Boyd ever formally released from DMB, or is he just on a (most likely permanent) break?

    Or, to put it another way, if he showed up clean and sober and in command of his instrument again, would he be welcomed back or did all the other stuff surrounding his departure burn all his bridges with the band?

    This might explain why Dave didnít just immediately replace the violin when Boyd left. He did in some ways replace the energy of Boyd, which was his biggest contribution, by bringing in Buddy.
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    Was Boyd ever formally released from DMB, or is he just on a (most likely permanent) break?

    Or, to put it another way, if he showed up clean and sober and in command of his instrument again, would he be welcomed back or did all the other stuff surrounding his departure burn all his bridges with the band?

    This might explain why Dave didnít just immediately replace the violin when Boyd left. He did in some ways replace the energy of Boyd, which was his biggest contribution, by bringing in Buddy.
    Iíve read some ďin the knowĒ type saying thereís no chance he returns. Think Iím leaning towards believing thatís the case. I mean, they dropped his ass so fast. He was off the bands website within 24 hours of his announcing his stepping away. I think some shit went down, but I donít know anything. It would be nice to think he could return if healthy and in a good place, crazier things have happened. But they barely even mention the guy.
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    Old 08-23-2021, 12:23 PM   #53
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    Re: what happened to Boyd? he's been MIA for a while

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    Iíve read some ďin the knowĒ type saying thereís no chance he returns. Think Iím leaning towards believing thatís the case. I mean, they dropped his ass so fast. He was off the bands website within 24 hours of his announcing his stepping away. I think some shit went down, but I donít know anything. It would be nice to think he could return if healthy and in a good place, crazier things have happened. But they barely even mention the guy.
    #MeToo will do that. He was accused of some pretty bad stuff, right? Never cared to read much about it - out of just my general disgust w the band at the time.
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    Old 08-23-2021, 12:30 PM   #54
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    Re: what happened to Boyd? he's been MIA for a while

    yeah I'm of the opinion that his ouster had nothing to do with any kind of me too issues whatsoever
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    Old 08-23-2021, 12:36 PM   #55
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    yeah I'm of the opinion that his ouster had nothing to do with any kind of me too issues whatsoever


    If he was thought of as being as important as Dave, Carter or Stefan I'd assume they would be trying to find a way to make it all work
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    Old 08-23-2021, 12:39 PM   #56
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    Boyd was a true professional. And he could play the violin. Very well. Awesomely in fact. Tell the H.S. music teacher he or she plays and teaches at the high school level, should stay at that level and has no business evaluating a professional musician. I know it is popular to bash Boyd. Almost everyone does without thinking and without having any credentials at all. But I think Boyd can take it. What do most of you know about playing the violin, anyway? Seriously asking. Just asking. Just wanting to know. There are all of you music critics on Ants. Crazy! What qualifies you to critique anyone's playing? Do you know how difficult it is to play the violin? What do you know about the violin? Who would you point to that is a great rock n' roll violinist? What was so terribly awful about Boyd's playing? The answer? Nothing. He was a quality strings player. You da man Boyd
    Having ears. You can say something sounds bad without claiming to be able to do better.
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    Old 08-23-2021, 12:55 PM   #57
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    Having ears. You can say something sounds bad without claiming to be able to do better.


    I could link to many violinists playing pop music on YouTube that I seriously doubt Boyd could perfectly match, because of what he's shown to be capable of on stage.
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    Old 08-23-2021, 12:58 PM   #58
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    Boyd was a true professional. And he could play the violin. Very well. Awesomely in fact. Tell the H.S. music teacher he or she plays and teaches at the high school level, should stay at that level and has no business evaluating a professional musician. I know it is popular to bash Boyd. Almost everyone does without thinking and without having any credentials at all. But I think Boyd can take it. What do most of you know about playing the violin, anyway? Seriously asking. Just asking. Just wanting to know. There are all of you music critics on Ants. Crazy! What qualifies you to critique anyone's playing? Do you know how difficult it is to play the violin? What do you know about the violin? Who would you point to that is a great rock n' roll violinist? What was so terribly awful about Boyd's playing? The answer? Nothing. He was a quality strings player. You da man Boyd


    Boyd is that you??
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    Old 08-23-2021, 01:28 PM   #59
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    Re: what happened to Boyd? he's been MIA for a while

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    yeah I'm of the opinion that his ouster had nothing to do with any kind of me too issues whatsoever
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    If he was thought of as being as important as Dave, Carter or Stefan I'd assume they would be trying to find a way to make it all work
    I have zero recent inside knowledge of this issue, but based on what I do know, to me it's ONLY something like a #MeToo type of issue that would get someone seriously kicked out. Bad playing or drugs (drugs to a point, there IS a limit) all seem workable or work-on-able. A verified MeToo situation, especially if it wasn't the first (I'm basing that on what I read here when it was happening) is a whole different story, given the principles this band stands on.

    So, also not based on any current inside knowledge, I agree with those who think he's never going to return. MAYBE a one-off surprise "jump in" at a show, but never as a band member or recording member is my guess.

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    yeah I'm of the opinion that his ouster had nothing to do with any kind of me too issues whatsoever

    I think that was just the excuse they needed.
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