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Old 07-25-2021, 02:42 PM   #61
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Not much, no.

They need a violin and no rashawn Ross.
They had that for 15 years, those days are gone. I have a feeling 4.0 will be the last version of DMB. Enjoy what you got while you got it.
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    When I scored them I was surprised that Charlotte ended up lower. The highs were higher for me last night. SUAD, YNK, Raven but there were more 0, -1 last night as well.
    Same for me really
    If I was going based on true fell for a song, many would have been 2 but to keep it “fair” I did the 1/0/-1 thing

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    They had that for 15 years, those days are gone. I have a feeling 4.0 will be the last version of DMB. Enjoy what you got while you got it.
    And that’s exactly why the earlier version of the band was far better.
    You are right though, enjoy what we can while we can

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    Old 07-25-2021, 02:53 PM   #63
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    And thatís exactly why the earlier version of the band was far better.
    You are right though, enjoy what we can while we can
    I agree that DMB 1.0 and 2.0 are my favorite versions, and I do get sad when I hear songs being played now that are ruined by cookie-cutter horn sections (I can barely listen to 4.0ís One Sweet World). But if I had to choose between what we have now and nothing, Iíll take 4.0 in a heartbeat.
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    Old 07-25-2021, 02:54 PM   #64
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    Ye! The sets were underwhelming and essentially the same thing they were doing in 18/19 with minor adjustments.. no effort.. yet.. to get more diverse songs into the set.. compare the N1 of this tour with the Chile show from 16 where they had an awesome mix of songs and new ones.. this seemed like what they do when they have a radio or tv or festival show.. just play it safe as possible.. you know Dave wanted to do a ddtw and everyday opener and just had to talk himself out out of it.. since that typically 2 of 4 of his standard openers for big shows.

    I’m grateful they’re playing and will be excited to see them.. but they dropped the ball big time on those shows. And the album and not so much as mentioning 30 years.. most bands would have had a big party.. and there was a lot to celebrate and they treated it like it was a mid tour Tuesday night in Iowa..

    I see very two very solid sets I'd be more than happy to experience. Grey Street with the 3rd verse, LLD with Branford, Minarets, Raven, SUAD, and 20 or so songs that aren't rare, but are songs I'm happy to hear any time. New tunes are always going to be polarizing but they're also pretty far from playing it safe (and I think they all have potential - they're far from the worst shit Dave has written in the last decade).


    Also, Boyd sounded like shit in 2016 and brought the band down with him a lot of the time. I will take 2018 + over 2016 any day.

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    Old 07-25-2021, 03:43 PM   #65
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    Nobody mentioned Boyd.
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    Old 07-25-2021, 04:09 PM   #66
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    I think what is frustrating is look at the vegas show from 2020 or some of the things Dave teased in his solo shows from home last year: SUAD, Up & Away, Break for It, Beach Ball. Then 2021 comes out with lackluster closers of Why I Am & Shake Me... They even left better staples Two Step, Ants, Watchtower, etc on the shelf. I remember seeing that 2020 vegas show and thinking 2020 was going to be a unique diverse tour before COVID. It seems it didn't transfer to 2021 at all. Discouraging to say the least but there is still time for the tour to warm up.
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    Old 07-25-2021, 04:24 PM   #67
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    I can’t see how anyone could possibly be discouraged by two shows that featured new songs, rarities, the return to form on some tunes, and a tight sounding band that hasn’t really played together in 16 months. Based on the fact that they played Sweet, If Only, You and Me and closed a show with Shake Me? The fact that the sets looked as diverse as they did should be nothing more than encouraging. After those two shows I’m confident we’ll get our Dreaming Trees and Busted Stuffs down the road.
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    Old 07-25-2021, 05:00 PM   #68
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    Quick thoughts on the first weekend (pseudo 2 night run)

    The Good
    Openers - #41 and Seek Up are very solid selections; would take either to open any show I go to
    Branford - as far as guests go, he is one Iím dying to see play with the band
    YNK/SUAD/Raven - all of these in 1 show is excellent. I really hope they stick around
    No non-new tune repeats! To me, that should be the expectation when you play a Friday/Saturday in venues less than 3 hours apart. I was not confident on this happening, but really happy to see it.

    The Bad
    Set flow - especially N2, the set was very front loaded and the back half of the set really stalled out
    Daveís voice - heís still reaching for notes out of his range, particularly in new stuff. He can probably hit it in the studio, but live he is going to struggle. Itís what is making me dislike WATM - that first verse was a mess Friday; was cringing hearing him swing and miss on those vocal notes. It just seems heís taken a completely new approach to singing and itís lost a lot of his signature sound

    The Ugly
    In 2021 (after a global pandemic and 15 months since the last show) seeing 6 Big Whiskey songs pop up in one show - 12 years after the album came out - is a big bummer, and has me reconsidering my summer plans to see the band (5 of these in the main set, and no BTCS in the main set, was more icing on the cake). Big Whiskey is a fine album. I like a lot of songs on it. But in my 28 shows since 2009, Iíve heard these same 6 songs at roughly half of all of my shows. Iím just tired of it - itís been played to death. So that theyíre still going to play these to death has me wondering if I really feel like traveling to see a show where 30% or so of it will be stuff Iíve seen a dozen+ timeís already. Itís not an insignificant expense or time commitment. I really would like to see something to indicate this tour will be different from 2018/2019.
    Yes agree with you on all counts. You articulate the ugly better than I have.. Itís not even that I hate or dislike big whiskey but it tends to dominate sets and the songs havenít grown or changed much in 10 years.. and after so long off I had just hoped the core songs of 4.0 would be changed up quite a bit.. and the placement of them in the sets.. they are just so predictable.. I read last nights set and groaned out loud at that encore..
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    It's been two shows after nearly 1.5 years off. Ain't no need getting worried yet. Beside at this point if you have high expectations for htis band you're getting yourself setup for disappinment.
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    Old 07-25-2021, 05:02 PM   #70
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    I canít see how anyone could possibly be discouraged by two shows that featured new songs, rarities, the return to form on some tunes, and a tight sounding band that hasnít really played together in 16 months. Based on the fact that they played Sweet, If Only, You and Me and closed a show with Shake Me? The fact that the sets looked as diverse as they did should be nothing more than encouraging. After those two shows Iím confident weíll get our Dreaming Trees and Busted Stuffs down the road.
    Maybe we do.. but weíll get 25 sweets and if only to one or two dreaming trees and one busted stuff.
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    Old 07-25-2021, 05:06 PM   #71
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    band sounds good. Dave's voice was a bit rough that first night but sounded better the second night. setlists are what they are, I guess ya just gotta appreciate the highlights.
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    Old 07-25-2021, 05:23 PM   #72
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    Only shows Iím really considering now are MSG, Dave usually caters more to the hardcores there. Maybe Holmdel, they play good shows there sometimes.
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    If we play the +1/-/-1 game strictly based off set list, last night was a historically low number for me personally. I'm sure had I bought tickets and been there hearing live music in any form would have been awesome but they played a ton of songs I'd typically take a bathroom break/beer run for. Personal preference but WTWE, satellite, Y&M, Funny, If Only, space between, and Shake me are all at the bottom of what I want to hear at a DMB concert.
    5 of these songs are the length of Seek Up. It's why +1/-/-1 is a dumb system.
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    Only shows Iím really considering now are MSG, Dave usually caters more to the hardcores there. Maybe Holmdel, they play good shows there sometimes.
    If you are a NYer, what about SPAC?
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    Old 07-25-2021, 06:28 PM   #75
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    Ants wanted the band to play slower, change the format of songs, have more setlist diversity, bring back the 3rd verse on Grey Street, stop playing certain songs in the same spots, etc.


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    Best 4.0 songs - Raven, Crush, Typical ... anything else?
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    Same for me really
    If I was going based on true fell for a song, many would have been 2 but to keep it ďfairĒ I did the 1/0/-1 thing



    And thatís exactly why the earlier version of the band was far better.
    You are right though, enjoy what we can while we can
    I created the 1/0/-1 system. I think many here, not necessarily you, don't understand what the number represents. It doesn't measure how much you enjoy a show. It measures how much of a show you enjoy. Its an important distinction. A higher score means the set contained a high number of songs you enjoy. Not how much you enjoy them. So situations like this weekend happened. I enjoyed Charlotte more because of the bust outs like SUAD, YNK, and Raven but it got a lower score than Raleigh because that show had few if any songs I dont enjoy.
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    We still donít know if the sets are diverse. Two shows donít tell you anything. Letís see what it looks like in a few weeks.

    Cool the 3rd verse is back. Best part of the song. The end jam is still a wall of noise and nobody stands out because of it
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    The first show was solid for this format of DMB. I would’ve enjoyed that in the moment. Last night had some cool spots but the 2nd half of the show was rough. Nobody wants to hear the non radio stuff from BW
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    We still donít know if the sets are diverse. Two shows donít tell you anything. Letís see what it looks like in a few weeks.

    Cool the 3rd verse is back. Best part of the song. The end jam is still a wall of noise and nobody stands out because of it
    Yeah, seeing a lot of comments on set diversity.

    Iíll take a look tomorrow, but I wonder how many songs played over the first two shows had 10+ plays in the prior 2 tours. A lot of the desire for diversity is better stated as ďdiversity from the last 2 toursĒ.

    SUAD, YNK, and Raven popping up is awesome. But those could end up being 1-offs or relative tour rarities, and the 2018/2019 set structure largely remains in tact. Still a lot of time before we can say anything definitive.

    But when a single album (and an album like BW in particular) is so heavily featured in a show, I donít really understand how we can look at that and say the set is super diverse.
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    Not much, no.

    They need a violin and no rashawn Ross.
    I'm perfectly happy with no violin, Buddy's organ is the main issue for me but overall they sound great

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    Through two shows I feel like having the number of repeats at zero is pretty good in terms of diversity, they aren't going to rotate 200 different songs all summer
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    Through two shows I feel like having the number of repeats at zero is pretty good in terms of diversity, they aren't going to rotate 200 different songs all summer
    I don’t think anyone expects that.

    But 3 straight full band summer tours failing to reach 100 songs is a trend, and that they didn’t hit in 2018/2019 with all the new stuff added to the catalog only adds fuel to that fire.

    Hopefully they can keep things diverse from show to show. But the songs they’ve played so far have also been heavy rotation the past 2 years, so it’s hard not to think these are just part of the same bag of regular tunes they’ve trotted out the past 2 years. Hope to be wrong
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    I donít think anyone expects that.

    But 3 straight full band summer tours failing to reach 100 songs is a trend, and that they didnít hit in 2018/2019 with all the new stuff added to the catalog only adds fuel to that fire.

    Hopefully they can keep things diverse from show to show. But the songs theyíve played so far have also been heavy rotation the past 2 years, so itís hard not to think these are just part of the same bag of regular tunes theyíve trotted out the past 2 years. Hope to be wrong

    Most Ants - want setlist diversity

    Me personally - don't care at all about diversity
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    Most Ants - want setlist diversity

    Me personally - don't care at all about diversity
    It all depends on what ďdiversityĒ means, I guess.

    I want this tour to be different than 2018/2019.
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    Here for the same old tired arguments of "the setlist stinks," "I don't like Jeff/Rashawn/Buddy" and "if you don't like it, leave."
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    It all depends on what ďdiversityĒ means, I guess.

    I want this tour to be different than 2018/2019.

    If you wrote down your top 25 and they played them all every tour stop at the exclusion of other less common songs how would you feel? I would love going to a weekend knowing I was going to see my favorites and they'd be great shows
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    If you wrote down your top 25 and they played them all every tour stop at the exclusion of other less common songs how would you feel? I would love going to a weekend knowing I was going to see my favorites and they'd be great shows
    Iíd be very happy - and it would meet the condition of ďbe different than 2018/2019Ē. 2 birds
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    Before i start: Fan since 02, first show 2007.

    I've said this before on these boards, and I'll say it again now... One of the best things you can do for yourself as a DMB fan is take a break from seeing this band live. I saw shows consistenly from 2007 - 2015. I did a five show stretch of tour in 2012. Saw one show in '13, '14, and '15. Then I stopped. I saw other bands. Lots of other bands.

    I was in Raleigh on Friday night, and it was a fantastic show. The energy was unreal, the crowd was great. The playing was tight as fuck all around. Buddy adds a much needed dimension to this band. (I love Boyd, and will never besmirch his contributions to this band). Seen Branford on LLD twice (2010, and 2021) and Friday night was absolutely incredible. To see anyone that Jerry Garcia gave the nod to play with DMB is a treat and a half.

    After 6 years of no shows (and just listening to the highlights here and there), Friday night was impeccable.

    If you're waiting for 2021 DMB to sound like 1998 DMB you're wasting your time. Take a break and come back. You'll fall in love all over again.
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    Before i start: Fan since 02, first show 2007.

    I've said this before on these boards, and I'll say it again now... One of the best things you can do for yourself as a DMB fan is take a break from seeing this band live. I saw shows consistenly from 2007 - 2015. I did a five show stretch of tour in 2012. Saw one show in '13, '14, and '15. Then I stopped. I saw other bands. Lots of other bands.

    I was in Raleigh on Friday night, and it was a fantastic show. The energy was unreal, the crowd was great. The playing was tight as fuck all around. Buddy adds a much needed dimension to this band. (I love Boyd, and will never besmirch his contributions to this band). Seen Branford on LLD twice (2010, and 2021) and Friday night was absolutely incredible. To see anyone that Jerry Garcia gave the nod to play with DMB is a treat and a half.

    After 6 years of no shows (and just listening to the highlights here and there), Friday night was impeccable.

    If you're waiting for 2021 DMB to sound like 1998 DMB you're wasting your time. Take a break and come back. You'll fall in love all over again.
    Problem is most of us probably wonder how much longer they can possibly do this, and therefore donít want to take time off. That said, Iím not part of the crowd that whines about setlists. I go for a good time, to get drunk and dance, and hear some great music. Only thing I whine about is 20 minute Jimi Things after seeing them 80ish times.
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    This band is the best theyíve sounded in a long time.

    They played two nights so far and the only repeats were the new songs.

    I will say, I think Charlotte blew Raleigh out of the water.
    they literally sound the worst they have sounded in a long time, because every day that goes by we get further away from the last time they sounded good, so now every day is the worst theyíve ever sounded.
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