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Old 08-13-2018, 03:35 PM   #96421
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I’m kind of confused by what this means tbh. I’m assuming it’s about the bailouts?

I would say maybe government shouldn’t serve that role and for the vast majority of corporations it doesn’t
Government research grants are a good example. Government either foots the bill or splits it with a private company for say medical research. If it fails, the government loses the money but if it succeeds and is viable then the private sector comes in and buys whatever it is knowing it’s probably going to be a success and make money.

If the private sector didn’t have the government playing this role they’d have to put up and risk their own capital, leading to many more losses and probably companies failing all the time when things don’t pan out. This way, the private sector doesn’t take the highest risks, the government does.

So, is this capitalism? And does the private sector, or government get the credit for all these inventions and breakthroughs?
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    Trump gets loud ovation while criticizing media during speech to troops at Fort Drum, N.Y.

    https://twitter.com/DavidNakamura/st...851350016?s=19

    Seems bad.
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    Black people owned slaves too. Black people fought for the CSA. Slavery wasn’t a racist system. It was economic system. Who do you think sold us slaves. We’re the black warlords who sold us slaves racist?

    "I will not have my reputation tainted selling superficial, bigoted slaves”

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    I’m an “Ayn Rand free marketer” but to act like our economy is anything close to that is silly. Just like the socialist leaners in here say they dont want true socialism those of us who want less state involvement in economics dont necessicarily want all regulations etc removed.
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    Trump gets loud ovation while criticizing media during speech to troops at Fort Drum, N.Y.

    https://twitter.com/DavidNakamura/st...851350016?s=19

    Seems bad.
    I understand people don't like my elite lib ass...but it will never cease to amaze me mind people so easily get behind this guy...of all people.
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    I’m an “Ayn Rand free marketer” but to act like our economy is anything close to that is silly. Just like the socialist leaners in here say they dont want true socialism those of us who want less state involvement in economics dont necessicarily want all regulations etc removed.
    Nope. “You” want to pick and choose the involvement that benefits you the most and only have that.
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    Nope. “You” want to pick and choose the involvement that benefits you the most and only have that.
    precisely
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    Nope. “You” want to pick and choose the involvement that benefits you the most and only have that.
    Such as what?
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    Did you equally demonize the "Tea Party" protests at the end of the Bush years which grew exponentially into the Obama years? Cause we could likely dig something up that shows your support of those gatherings and their veiled racism.
    Yes absolutely. Bunch of losers.
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    Such as what?
    Not you specifically, though I guess it could eventually be since you're in sort of the same industry, but the whole Harley-Davidson debacle is a pretty good illustration of people's politics and personal lives conflicting.

    I'm sure lots of Trumpers are all about boycotting Harley because they may move to Europe...because of a dumb trade war that guy that a lot of Harley employees probably support. So..losing a job because we have a petulant toddler president. And some (or lots) of those employees may have supported the trade war ideologically until it might not fuck them personally.
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    @kaitlancollins
    Omarosa was just asked on Hardball if she had anything of interest to Robert Mueller. She answered, "If his office calls again..." — revealing, I believe for the first time, that she's been contacted by the special counsel.
    https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/s...44973353082882
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    It’s good to have learned that Jews should have just not been in the wrong spot at the wrong time and all that holocausting wasn’t because of any kind of hatred.
    Their plight should be a lesson to all of you here in America.

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    Economics was a huge factor. If the North relied on slave labor to the extent of the South they would have been the ones fighting to keep slavery
    yup.
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    An important corollary to this data is that Republicans spent 8 years crying wolf about *Barack Obama* being an actual socialist, kind of neutering the term in the process.
    https://twitter.com/PeterHamby/statu...55853822095360

    Gimme some of that sweet sweet Obama socialism.
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    An important corollary to this data is that Republicans spent 8 years crying wolf about *Barack Obama* being an actual socialist, kind of neutering the term in the process.
    https://twitter.com/PeterHamby/statu...55853822095360

    Gimme some of that sweet sweet Obama socialism.
    I am pretty sure the next president she is going to be more to the left than Hillary or Obama. Obama tried to court the right and it never worked. He dropped the public option, instituted a pay freeze, had the sequester and evolved on gay marriage. Those were all unforced errors. The next president will make gay marriage mandatory. We will all be married twice.
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    The liberals are gonna make gay experimenting part of the required school curriculum if we dont do something!
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    Their plight should be a lesson to all of you here in America.



    yup.
    Most Northern slave states made slavery illegal and slaves were emancipated. The problem with your argument is that while the Northern states may have had economies less dependent on slavery slaveholders would have been the people with the political power and could pass laws. It wasn't just economics, they did not think that slaves were on the same social footing and weren't going to tolerate them being free. Read the secessionist statements. Even after the economic argument was settled(meaning emancipation) we still had segregation, Jim Crow and the Civil Rights movement(segregation forever). White people did not want to associate with black folks. That is why Jackie Robinson is a hero.

    If you read the news you see that black folks can't live their normal lives without being vetted no matter where they are. From cooking in the park to entering their own homes.
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    I think the Reconstruction through at least the civil rights era shows what a lot of people thought about african americans, after they were "of use" as slaves.

    And while I understand that the North wasn't as dependent on slaves, wouldn't paid labor in the South drive up raw goods manufacturing costs in the North?
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    "We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable."

    https://www.battlefields.org/learn/p...g-states#Texas

    Free slaves were not tolerable to white people.
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    The amount of pure fucking ignorance on display in this thread is disgusting. The only other possible explanation is nefarious defense of racism.

    Either way, fucking disgusting.
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    There is no such thing as white supremacy it was made up so you could pat yourself on the back while chanting “no borders no cops no fascist USA” and whatever else you guys are chanting instead of working these days. I swear these commies wouldn’t hate capitalism so much if they put half as much energy into getting s job and working as they do into buying posterboard and not washing their hair.
    Do you believe and parrot everything Tucker Carlson says?
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    "We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable."

    https://www.battlefields.org/learn/p...g-states#Texas

    Free slaves were not tolerable to white people.
    Recently watched the Ken Burns Civil War documentary so a lot of this is fresh on my mind. Could come up with quote after quote after quote similar to this. Racism and the inherent inferiority of the *n-word* was at the absolute forefront of the Confederacy and 1800s politics in general.

    Lol at the South's whitewashing of their past. The Daughters of the Confederacy did so much damage and warping of what happened, deifying many horrible horrible men and loons.

    Stonewall Jackson and Nathan Bedford Forrest being at the top of the list. At least Forrest was an actual tactical genius. Jackson was a loon.


    (Ya but WHATABOUT Sherman?? We werent making a comparison. We were talking about the modern day south trying to distort their past)
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    Recently watched the Ken Burns Civil War documentary so a lot of this is fresh on my mind. Could come up with quote after quote after quote similar to this. Racism and the inherent inferiority of the *n-word* was at the absolute forefront of the Confederacy and 1800s politics in general.

    Lol at the South's whitewashing of their past. The Daughters of the Confederacy did so much damage and warping of what happened, deifying many horrible horrible men and loons.

    Stonewall Jackson and Nathan Bedford Forrest being at the top of the list. At least Forrest was an actual tactical genius. Jackson was a loon.


    (Ya but WHATABOUT Sherman?? We werent making a comparison. We were talking about the modern day south trying to distort their past)
    Started watching this the other day as well. There was a quote by Lincoln that was kind of resonant, I’m paraphrasing but basically he was lamenting about how all men are created equal except blacks, next it’ll be all men created equal except blacks, foreigners and Catholics. He said when it gets to that he would rather emigrate to a despot like Russia where at least they live under division without the hypocrisy.
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    It’s really hard to fathom that people actually believe in what they say sometimes. My god this thread is a car crash the last few days.
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    That asshole in Florida who shot the guy in the parking lot got charged with manslaughter.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/shooter-fl...ry?id=57151343


    Will probably be acquitted, but at least the state attorney actually filed the charges after the Sherrif let the guy go home and sleep in his bed.
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    That asshole in Florida who shot the guy in the parking lot got charged with manslaughter.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/shooter-fl...ry?id=57151343


    Will probably be acquitted, but at least the state attorney actually filed the charges after the Sherrif let the guy go home and sleep in his bed.


    I don’t like what he did but I’d vote to acquit.
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    I don’t like what he did but I’d vote to acquit.
    Then you'd be stupid. Clearly manslaughter.
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    It’s really hard to fathom that people actually believe in what they say sometimes. My god this thread is a car crash the last few days.
    yep. #TrumpsAmerica
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    I don’t like what he did but I’d vote to acquit.



    I forget the exact wording of the statute, but at the time he fired I don't believe it was reasonable for him to be in fear for his life. The guy was backing off. If he was advancing on him while he was on the ground, I'd say he had a better argument. He paused, watched the guy backing up, then shot him anyway. I'd say that's manslaughter.
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    About three months ago, Richard Kelly told a Pinellas County Sheriff's Office detective he was confronted by Drejka at Circle A Food Store, the same store where he shot McGlockton. Drejka, documents said, was upset because Kelly parked in a handicapped-accessible spot. The exchange between the two became very loud and Kelly said at some point during the argument Drejka told him he was going to shoot him, documents said.

    On December 12, 2012, a woman told a Largo Police Department officer that a man driving a black Toyota truck, later identified as Drejka, pointed a gun at her and the passengers in the vehicle.
    The woman pointed out the truck to the officer. The officer spoke with Drejka, documents said, and he told the officer the woman was driving too slow through a school zone.

    On January 10, 2012, Tyler Smith, 18, was driving with a friend when a traffic light turned yellow. Smith decided not to drive through the light and stopped his vehicle.
    A truck, driven by Drejka, was behind Smith. Drejka honked his horn, documents said, and yelled at Smith. Drejka held a black handgun out the driver's side window of his vehicle and motioned for Smith to walk back to his truck, documents said. Drejka then followed the teen's vehicle, passed it and slammed on his breaks, the Tampa Bay Times reported.

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