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Old 09-20-2021, 05:58 AM   #1
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Best 4.0 show?

I don’t believe it’s been asked recently; did some quick searching and couldn’t find anything so forgive me if it has been.

We’re about 2/3 of the way through the 3rd 4.0 tour with the only major left really being MSG. What is your pick for best 4.0 show so far? Do your best to narrow it down to 1 pick but honorable mentions are fine too.

I don’t even really remember a consensus best show between ‘18 and ‘19 being discussed or universally agreed upon.

I’m a little biased and haven’t taken the time to look at every single set in the past 3 years but I don’t remember a complete set looking as good as SPAC N2 this year. I have 3 0’s in there and the only -1 I have in the whole show is Shake Me…sucks he chose to end the weekend with it but I’ve come to terms with it almost 36 hours later, especially cause it’s still by far the best show I’ve seen.

What’s your pick?
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    Re: Best 4.0 show?

    I was at SPAC and on paper I would say the 2020 Vegas show was better.
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    Old 09-20-2021, 06:44 AM   #3
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    Re: Best 4.0 show?

    This is DMB 5.0, at the least.

    And SPAC N2 was the best show I've seen in years. Everything about it was on point. I never say this about 5.0 shows... but it's Live Trax worthy.
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    Old 09-20-2021, 07:09 AM   #4
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    Re: Best 4.0 show?

    7/1/08-2018 is 4.0

    So it’s LT45. That’s the best show since Roi left.
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    Re: Best 4.0 show?

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    7/1/08-2018 is 4.0

    So it’s LT45. That’s the best show since Roi left.

    Woops. 5.0. Idk if a mod has the power to edit a thread title but that’d be cool.
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    Old 09-20-2021, 07:20 AM   #6
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    Re: Best 4.0 show?

    Nashville 19 they brought the heat
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    Old 09-20-2021, 07:31 AM   #7
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    Nashville 19 they brought the heat
    A great sold out show but a super letdown song-wise as there were 10 repeats from Pelham just a few hours away as the previous show. Blah.

    Best Nancies>Warehouse I've seen was at that Nashville show though.
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    Old 09-20-2021, 07:32 AM   #8
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    Woops. 5.0. Idk if a mod has the power to edit a thread title but that’d be cool.
    Don't worry about it. Nobody agrees with me that it's 5.0. I'm on my own here.

    But it is 5.0.
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    Old 09-20-2021, 07:34 AM   #9
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    Re: Best 4.0 show?

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    7/1/08-2018 is 4.0

    So it’s LT45. That’s the best show since Roi left.
    I take it back. I'm not on my own.
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    Old 09-20-2021, 07:34 AM   #10
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    Re: Best 4.0 show?

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    Don't worry about it. Nobody agrees with me that it's 5.0. I'm on my own here.

    But it is 5.0.
    I agree with you
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    Old 09-20-2021, 07:41 AM   #11
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    Re: Best 4.0 show?

    1.0 - Start > Butch
    2.0 - Butch > Tim
    3.0 - Tim > No More Boyd
    4.0 - Buddy -- now

    http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.as...162&where=2020
    http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.as...159&where=2018
    http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.as...159&where=2018

    2021 has to age more, but SPAC, Charlotte, Tampa could end up making this list
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    Old 09-20-2021, 07:43 AM   #12
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    Re: Best 4.0 show?

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    Nashville 19 they brought the heat

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    Old 09-20-2021, 07:45 AM   #13
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    Re: Best 4.0 show?

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    1.0 - Start > Butch
    2.0 - Butch > Tim
    3.0 - Tim > No More Boyd
    4.0 - Buddy -- now

    http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.as...162&where=2020
    http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.as...159&where=2018
    http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.as...159&where=2018

    2021 has to age more, but SPAC, Charlotte, Tampa could end up making this list
    Not to derail the thread, but your timeline completely skips over the death and replacement of an original, and integral member of the lineup?
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    Old 09-20-2021, 07:48 AM   #14
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    Re: Best 4.0 show?

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    1.0 - Start > Butch
    2.0 - Butch > Tim
    3.0 - Tim > No More Boyd
    4.0 - Buddy -- now

    http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.as...162&where=2020
    http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.as...159&where=2018
    http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.as...159&where=2018

    2021 has to age more, but SPAC, Charlotte, Tampa could end up making this list
    1.0 - W/Peter
    2.0 - Core 5
    3.0 - W/Butch
    4.0 - W/Jeff, Rashawn, Tim
    5.0 - W/Jeff, Rashawn, Tim, Buddy
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    Re: Best 4.0 show?

    Most people consider 4.0 to be 2018+.

    1.0 - Original lineup
    2.0 - Butch era
    3.0 - Tim era
    4.0 - Buddy era
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    Old 09-20-2021, 08:01 AM   #16
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    Re: Best 4.0 show?

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    Most people consider 4.0 to be 2018+.

    1.0 - Original lineup
    2.0 - Butch era
    3.0 - Tim era
    4.0 - Buddy era
    Most people apparently disregard the fact that Peter was a band member for 2 years, so most people are incorrect.
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    Old 09-20-2021, 08:03 AM   #17
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    Re: Best 4.0 show?

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    1.0 - W/Peter
    2.0 - Core 5
    3.0 - W/Butch
    4.0 - W/Jeff, Rashawn, Tim
    5.0 - W/Jeff, Rashawn, Tim, Buddy
    Peter wasn't around nearly long enough to be considered a separate era. Cmon man.

    This is 4.0

    91-98
    98-08
    08-18
    18-?
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    Old 09-20-2021, 08:05 AM   #18
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    Re: Best 4.0 show?

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    Peter wasn't around nearly long enough to be considered a separate era. Cmon man.

    This is 4.0

    91-98
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    Peter was around for 2 years. So, yes he was around long enough.

    This is 5.0.
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    Re: Best 4.0 show?

    Gotta repeat my mantra...don't want to hear covers. My only issues w/ N2 were TotS and AAtW...replace those with almost any DMB tunes and the show it that much better...and don't scrap WYaS, bummed to see that.

    It speaks volumes to the depth and breadth of the band's catalog that we can still think of way to improve a show for us. That said, SPAC N2 2021 was an objectively great set list and EXCELLENT performance. We re-listened to N1 on the drive back to VA yesterday...solid set itself and they sounded awesome. Despite my "no covers" preference, all of us singing Satisfaction was a TON of fun...canNOT deny it... I can point out that I was hoping to hear SUaD and PM this weekend, but I'm not disappointed in either show.

    It's hard to say though about best shows. We only got to three this year, but we've listened to a few on Sirius and watched the couch tour feeds for a several. The band just sounds incredible this year. The 2018 sets at SPAC were awesome for us, but Dave's voice was far from its best int he summer of 2018. The MSG shows were excellent and Dave's voice sounded drastically better. The Mansfield/Hartford B2B was a sleeper pair from 2018...just great shows. JLL in 2019 was a killer show. The C-ville shows in 2018 were quite good as well, maybe even excellent...if you hadn't seen the DC show the night before (which we had), but even then getting Pres Hall on several tunes was awesome.

    Looking forward to getting to see and enjoy more shows next year.
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    Re: Best 4.0 show?

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    Peter was around for 2 years. So, yes he was around long enough.

    This is 5.0.
    Nope. Agree to disagree then
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    Old 09-20-2021, 08:08 AM   #21
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    Gotta repeat my mantra...don't want to hear covers. My only issues w/ N2 were TotS and AAtW...replace those with almost any DMB tunes and the show it that much better...and don't scrap WYaS, bummed to see that.

    It speaks volumes to the depth and breadth of the band's catalog that we can still think of way to improve a show for us. That said, SPAC N2 2021 was an objectively great set list and EXCELLENT performance. We re-listened to N1 on the drive back to VA yesterday...solid set itself and they sounded awesome. Despite my "no covers" preference, all of us singing Satisfaction was a TON of fun...canNOT deny it... I can point out that I was hoping to hear SUaD and PM this weekend, but I'm not disappointed in either show.

    It's hard to say though about best shows. We only got to three this year, but we've listened to a few on Sirius and watched the couch tour feeds for a several. The band just sounds incredible this year. The 2018 sets at SPAC were awesome for us, but Dave's voice was far from its best int he summer of 2018. The MSG shows were excellent and Dave's voice sounded drastically better. The Mansfield/Hartford B2B was a sleeper pair from 2018...just great shows. JLL in 2019 was a killer show. The C-ville shows in 2018 were quite good as well, maybe even excellent...if you hadn't seen the DC show the night before (which we had), but even then getting Pres Hall on several tunes was awesome.

    Looking forward to getting to see and enjoy more shows next year.
    Watchtower is a DMB staple that has been around since the beginning. And it killed at SPAC. I can agree with Time Of The Season, even though that was also great. But Watchtower is a "DMB song". Just like The Maker. (Obviously they're not DMB songs, but those are 2 songs that they have certainly made their own).
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    Old 09-20-2021, 08:09 AM   #22
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    Nope. Agree to disagree then
    Yep. But I'll agree to disagree. I'm used to it.
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    Old 09-20-2021, 08:17 AM   #23
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    Shorter answer...SPAC 2021 N2 might be the best show/performance by this version of DMB. They have gotten better w/ Buddy with and throughout each tour since he joined. Everyone is finding their place and even the best sounds for the tunes.

    Timmy's sounding as good as he ever has. He's using far less distortion, grooving like mad, switching up what he plays and how he approaches tunes (fresh takes), and seemingly being more melodic.
    Jeff got more solo features at our shows...this is always a good/great thing.
    Rashawn sounded the best he ever has to me this year.
    Dave's voice is the strongest it's been in years. His guitar has been sounding great the last couple of tours.
    Fonz's presence keeps getting stronger and the mix is so improved for him.
    Carter is ALWAYS excellent.
    Buddy is finding his place and fitting in better and better.

    They're just killing it.

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    1.0 - W/Peter
    2.0 - Core 5
    3.0 - W/Butch
    4.0 - W/Jeff, Rashawn, Tim
    5.0 - W/Jeff, Rashawn, Tim, Buddy
    Call the lineup with Peter the beta version or 0.0 if you need to give it a name, but theres no way it deserves to be 1.0. A local club band can't be considered anything more than a precursor of the giant touring machine that all later iterations have been.

    1.0 - Core 5
    2.0 - Core 5 plus Butch
    3.0 - Surviving 4 plus Jeff, Rashawn, and Tim
    4.0 - 3.0 minus Boyd plus Buddy
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    Call the lineup with Peter the beta version or 0.0 if you need to give it a name, but theres no way it deserves to be 1.0. A local club band can't be considered anything more than a precursor of the giant touring machine that all later iterations have been.

    1.0 - Core 5
    2.0 - Core 5 plus Butch
    3.0 - Surviving 4 plus Jeff, Rashawn, and Tim
    4.0 - 3.0 minus Boyd plus Buddy
    No. The "Beta Version", or 0.0 would have been Dave, Fonz, Roi & Carter... the version of the Band that played the first show.

    Peter was in the band for 2 years.
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    I'm partial to this show: http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.as...159&where=2018
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    Lolololol.

    No one can even agree on the band versions/timeline, let alone a show.
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    I didn’t realize how subjective labeling the band eras was. Nor do I really care personally.

    Thread title should have been “Best Buddy era show?”
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    Damn Quirrell, but SPAC N2 is probably the show imo
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    I really like that one too. Good memory of being huddled by my computer watching a shitty periscope in my college apartment bedroom getting hyped to see my first indoor shows. Tough main set closing run, but I lost my mind during the Break Free bust out.

    Still a good handful of shows I’d take over it tho
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