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Old 06-09-2009, 06:10 AM   #151
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Re: I can pretty comfortably say that Baby Blue is Big 3 good

I agree with every negative comment made about Baby Blue. It's musically boring and never finds a rhythm or groove. Lyrically, it sounds like a bunch of scrap love song lines were loaded into a shotgun and shot at the wall- whatever sticks was the lyrics.

That and I do not see the Roi connection:

Examples:
1. "Confess, your kiss still knocks me off my legs." (try forcing a Roi connection on this one I dare you)
2. "‘cause you’ll forever be my one true broken heart" (ever refer to a dead friend or relative as a broken heart?... me either)
3. "Goodbye my love" (again, ever refer to a heterosexual male-male relationship as "my love"?)
4. "You give, you give, to this I can attest You made me, you made me.
You and me forever, baby." (I can see this for someone's first love or their mother, but not a friend)
5. The first time I saw you was like a punch right through my chest (see #4 above as reference to a first love. for everyone who is forcing this line to be "when he first saw Roi or the first time he heard Roi play- STOP IT.)

There. that's probably 80% of the significant lyrics of the song, all not being able to link to Roi in any reasonable fashion. You can't tell me the other 20% should be taken as such. You're forcing the issue because you saw someone else say it was for Roi. Get your own thoughts.

P.S. - If this song were on Some Devil it would have a chance since Dave was taking a simpler approach to music there. Here, its lame and takes the spot of better songs that only the people that paid $60 get to hear (beach ball, #27, and others). This is probably the first "full band album" song that I honestly don't see myself ever wanting to listen to or even tolerate when its on.
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    I agree with every negative comment made about Baby Blue. It's musically boring and never finds a rhythm or groove. Lyrically, it sounds like a bunch of scrap love song lines were loaded into a shotgun and shot at the wall- whatever sticks was the lyrics.

    That and I do not see the Roi connection:

    Examples:
    1. "Confess, your kiss still knocks me off my legs." (try forcing a Roi connection on this one I dare you)
    2. "‘cause you’ll forever be my one true broken heart" (ever refer to a dead friend or relative as a broken heart?... me either)
    3. "Goodbye my love" (again, ever refer to a heterosexual male-male relationship as "my love"?)
    4. "You give, you give, to this I can attest You made me, you made me.
    You and me forever, baby." (I can see this for someone's first love or their mother, but not a friend)
    5. The first time I saw you was like a punch right through my chest (see #4 above as reference to a first love. for everyone who is forcing this line to be "when he first saw Roi or the first time he heard Roi play- STOP IT.)

    There. that's probably 80% of the significant lyrics of the song, all not being able to link to Roi in any reasonable fashion. You can't tell me the other 20% should be taken as such. You're forcing the issue because you saw someone else say it was for Roi. Get your own thoughts.

    P.S. - If this song were on Some Devil it would have a chance since Dave was taking a simpler approach to music there. Here, its lame and takes the spot of better songs that only the people that paid $60 get to hear (beach ball, #27, and others). This is probably the first "full band album" song that I honestly don't see myself ever wanting to listen to or even tolerate when its on.
    So you actually want to listen to or tolerate the Stand Up garbage.

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    Old 06-09-2009, 06:25 AM   #153
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    Re: I can pretty comfortably say that Baby Blue is Big 3 good

    While it's definately the lowest rated album from DMB, it's still better than most of the garbage music out there that would be the alternative, so yeah I listen to it and tolerate it and enjoy it on some level. It's just not on the level of any of their other albums.

    A BAD DMB album is still a good album IMO compared to 90% of music today. In the antsmarching.org world of music, however, I guess it can only be described with "unlistenable" without getting flamed. I don't agree with that.........

    but I guess you do.
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    While it's definately the lowest rated album from DMB, it's still better than most of the garbage music out there that would be the alternative, so yeah I listen to it and tolerate it and enjoy it on some level. It's just not on the level of any of their other albums.

    A BAD DMB album is still a good album IMO compared to 90% of music today.
    In the antsmarching.org world of music, however, I guess it can only be described with "unlistenable" without getting flamed. I don't agree with that.........

    but I guess you do.
    Maybe on the radio. But if you mean in general, you aren't looking hard enough for good music.

    And it's not that I think you have to find it unlistenable. It's just funny to me that you find Baby Blue unlistenable but all of Stand Up to be tolerable.
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    Old 06-09-2009, 06:32 AM   #155
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    ^^ Baby Blue, like every song on BWGK, is better than every song on the Stand Up album... Baby Blue is in fact better than a whole lot of songs on other albums by this band, but it's unquestionably better than every song on Stand Up, I can't believe people think otherwise.
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    Trouble With You is better than every song on Stand Up. I wish they'd try and get into a bit of a groove with that one live, I think it could be a great percussive tune in the stylings of Stewart Copeland.

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    Old 06-09-2009, 06:43 AM   #157
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    Big 3 material, in my opinon:

    Lying in The Hands Of God
    Baby Blue
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    Re: I can pretty comfortably say that Baby Blue is Big 3 good

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    That and I do not see the Roi connection:

    Examples:
    1. "Confess, your kiss still knocks me off my legs." (try forcing a Roi connection on this one I dare you)
    2. "‘cause you’ll forever be my one true broken heart" (ever refer to a dead friend or relative as a broken heart?... me either)
    3. "Goodbye my love" (again, ever refer to a heterosexual male-male relationship as "my love"?)
    4. "You give, you give, to this I can attest You made me, you made me.
    You and me forever, baby." (I can see this for someone's first love or their mother, but not a friend)
    5. The first time I saw you was like a punch right through my chest (see #4 above as reference to a first love. for everyone who is forcing this line to be "when he first saw Roi or the first time he heard Roi play- STOP IT.)

    .
    Well, first of all, Dave (who wrote the song) said that it was a goodbye song for Roi, so that's a pretty good hint. Also, this is not the first time Dave has framed a death as the loss of a loved one; he's also said Grace is Gone was about the death of his stepfather, and Grace is a woman in the song. All your things above you say are forced seem like they can easily be about Roi to me; they don't have to be, which is probably one of the reasons why it is a good song.
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    I agree with every negative comment made about Baby Blue. It's musically boring and never finds a rhythm or groove. Lyrically, it sounds like a bunch of scrap love song lines were loaded into a shotgun and shot at the wall- whatever sticks was the lyrics.

    That and I do not see the Roi connection:

    Examples:
    1. "Confess, your kiss still knocks me off my legs." (try forcing a Roi connection on this one I dare you)
    2. "‘cause you’ll forever be my one true broken heart" (ever refer to a dead friend or relative as a broken heart?... me either)
    3. "Goodbye my love" (again, ever refer to a heterosexual male-male relationship as "my love"?)
    4. "You give, you give, to this I can attest You made me, you made me.
    You and me forever, baby." (I can see this for someone's first love or their mother, but not a friend)
    5. The first time I saw you was like a punch right through my chest (see #4 above as reference to a first love. for everyone who is forcing this line to be "when he first saw Roi or the first time he heard Roi play- STOP IT.)

    There. that's probably 80% of the significant lyrics of the song, all not being able to link to Roi in any reasonable fashion. You can't tell me the other 20% should be taken as such. You're forcing the issue because you saw someone else say it was for Roi. Get your own thoughts.

    P.S. - If this song were on Some Devil it would have a chance since Dave was taking a simpler approach to music there. Here, its lame and takes the spot of better songs that only the people that paid $60 get to hear (beach ball, #27, and others). This is probably the first "full band album" song that I honestly don't see myself ever wanting to listen to or even tolerate when its on.


    Dave has talked about this song saying that it is a goodbye to Roi -- in which he narrorates as a man saying goodbye to a woman. It is how he chose to write it. I happen to think that's a great way to not force it.

    The music is amazing as well.

    I don't care if no one likes it, but I am thoroughly surprised that so many people don't dig this amazing song.
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    Actually that's what Carter said in the Fuse Doc.
    At least someone picked it up.
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    I agree with every negative comment made about Baby Blue. It's musically boring and never finds a rhythm or groove. Lyrically, it sounds like a bunch of scrap love song lines were loaded into a shotgun and shot at the wall- whatever sticks was the lyrics.

    That and I do not see the Roi connection:

    Examples:
    1. "Confess, your kiss still knocks me off my legs." (try forcing a Roi connection on this one I dare you)
    2. "‘cause you’ll forever be my one true broken heart" (ever refer to a dead friend or relative as a broken heart?... me either)
    3. "Goodbye my love" (again, ever refer to a heterosexual male-male relationship as "my love"?)
    4. "You give, you give, to this I can attest You made me, you made me.
    You and me forever, baby." (I can see this for someone's first love or their mother, but not a friend)
    5. The first time I saw you was like a punch right through my chest (see #4 above as reference to a first love. for everyone who is forcing this line to be "when he first saw Roi or the first time he heard Roi play- STOP IT.)

    There. that's probably 80% of the significant lyrics of the song, all not being able to link to Roi in any reasonable fashion. You can't tell me the other 20% should be taken as such. You're forcing the issue because you saw someone else say it was for Roi. Get your own thoughts.

    P.S. - If this song were on Some Devil it would have a chance since Dave was taking a simpler approach to music there. Here, its lame and takes the spot of better songs that only the people that paid $60 get to hear (beach ball, #27, and others). This is probably the first "full band album" song that I honestly don't see myself ever wanting to listen to or even tolerate when its on.
    probably one of the least intelligent posts i've seen on the boards in awhile outside of the "DMB should bring a rapper on tour" thread
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    Baby Blue shits ALL OVER Sister. As someone else mentioned, Dave turned something incredibly cheesy and awful (Sister) into something honest and beautiful (Baby Blue). Not sure what you mean by all over the place, so I won't comment on that; however, the music is beautiful, the lyrics evoke or nearly evoke tears from most that listen to it, and I think it is easily top 10 all time as far as Dave's vocals go....flawless.

    it is far from good vocally in my opinion. i actually think he sounds downright awful at points in the song. his voice sounds so strained at points. definitely a weak vocal performance and i'm very surprised they released it that way.
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    it is far from good vocally in my opinion. i actually think he sounds downright awful at points in the song. his voice sounds so strained at points. definitely a weak vocal performance and i'm very surprised they released it that way.
    You consider that vocal performance to be weak? Really? I find it raw, and it really showcases the emotions in Dave's voice for that song.
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    i like this song a lot. id love to see it as an E1 slot in a show, NOT followed by everyday/stay haha
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    it is far from good vocally in my opinion. i actually think he sounds downright awful at points in the song. his voice sounds so strained at points. definitely a weak vocal performance and i'm very surprised they released it that way.
    There was a reason they released it that way
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    You consider that vocal performance to be weak? Really? I find it raw, and it really showcases the emotions in Dave's voice for that song.
    there's a fine line between raw emotion and just simply not being able to hit a note. it's just painful to hear sometimes.
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    I can pretty comfortably? wtf does that mean...
    How bout I can comfortably say ... wtf?
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    Can't people on Ants just enjoy the damn song and not compare it to shit that was made in the 90's????
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    Can't people on Ants just enjoy the damn song and not compare it to shit that was made in the 90's????
    No, sorry. That would be a boring conversation if everyone just said "I enjoy the song" over and over.
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    No, sorry. That would be a boring conversation if everyone just said "I enjoy the song" over and over.
    Don't you guys ever get tired of talking about/comparing BW to the old stuff?
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    Don't you guys ever get tired of talking about/comparing BW to the old stuff?
    No, it's been out for like a week. Don't you get tired of saying, "I enjoy the song?"
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    I think that the people who don't like the song don't understand where it is coming from, it is a love song, yes, but from a different point of view.
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    I think that the people who don't like the song don't understand where it is coming from, it is a love song, yes, but from a different point of view.
    I kind of think people who don't like the song just don't like the song.

    But perhaps you are right.

    The idea of writing about the death of a man within the guise of a lost love of a woman song was first used by Dave in Grace Is Gone to my knowledge. Same concept at work here. But what really grabs me about this song is the beautiful melodies of the guitar and vocals intertwining.
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    I kind of think people who don't like the song just don't like the song.

    But perhaps you are right.

    The idea of writing about the death of a man within the guise of a lost love of a woman song was first used by Dave in Grace Is Gone to my knowledge. Same concept at work here. But what really grabs me about this song is the beautiful melodies of the guitar and vocals intertwining.
    Exactly, the vocals are what do it for me, specifically. Also, if I'm not mistaken, "Oh" is another song that Dave sings about a girl with reference to a male loved one. This song is essentially perfect, in my opinion.
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    I kind of think people who don't like the song just don't like the song.

    But perhaps you are right.

    The idea of writing about the death of a man within the guise of a lost love of a woman song was first used by Dave in Grace Is Gone to my knowledge. Same concept at work here. But what really grabs me about this song is the beautiful melodies of the guitar and vocals intertwining.
    thats what gets me. The vocals sound a little bit rattled but I appreciate it like that.... it is obviously about the loss of a dear friend, a rattling event to say the least
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    That and I do not see the Roi connection:

    Examples:
    1. "Confess, your kiss still knocks me off my legs." (try forcing a Roi connection on this one I dare you)
    2. "‘cause you’ll forever be my one true broken heart" (ever refer to a dead friend or relative as a broken heart?... me either)
    3. "Goodbye my love" (again, ever refer to a heterosexual male-male relationship as "my love"?)
    4. "You give, you give, to this I can attest You made me, you made me.
    You and me forever, baby." (I can see this for someone's first love or their mother, but not a friend)
    5. The first time I saw you was like a punch right through my chest (see #4 above as reference to a first love. for everyone who is forcing this line to be "when he first saw Roi or the first time he heard Roi play- STOP IT.)

    There. that's probably 80% of the significant lyrics of the song, all not being able to link to Roi in any reasonable fashion. You can't tell me the other 20% should be taken as such. You're forcing the issue because you saw someone else say it was for Roi. Get your own thoughts.
    This is very likely the dumbest post Ive seen in a long time. I'm not sure how you can say that a song about losing someone, on an album dedicated to Leroi, isn't about him. Also the fact that Dave said this is about Roi.

    I feel you might want to consider, and I know this sounds pretty shocking, that occasionally lyrics in songs aren't to be taken perfectly literally. I even heard that sometimes there is a deeper meaning beyond the literal translation.
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    I agree with every negative comment made about Baby Blue. It's musically boring and never finds a rhythm or groove. Lyrically, it sounds like a bunch of scrap love song lines were loaded into a shotgun and shot at the wall- whatever sticks was the lyrics.

    That and I do not see the Roi connection:

    Examples:
    1. "Confess, your kiss still knocks me off my legs." (try forcing a Roi connection on this one I dare you)
    2. "‘cause you’ll forever be my one true broken heart" (ever refer to a dead friend or relative as a broken heart?... me either)
    3. "Goodbye my love" (again, ever refer to a heterosexual male-male relationship as "my love"?)
    4. "You give, you give, to this I can attest You made me, you made me.
    You and me forever, baby." (I can see this for someone's first love or their mother, but not a friend)
    5. The first time I saw you was like a punch right through my chest (see #4 above as reference to a first love. for everyone who is forcing this line to be "when he first saw Roi or the first time he heard Roi play- STOP IT.)

    There. that's probably 80% of the significant lyrics of the song, all not being able to link to Roi in any reasonable fashion. You can't tell me the other 20% should be taken as such. You're forcing the issue because you saw someone else say it was for Roi. Get your own thoughts.

    P.S. - If this song were on Some Devil it would have a chance since Dave was taking a simpler approach to music there. Here, its lame and takes the spot of better songs that only the people that paid $60 get to hear (beach ball, #27, and others). This is probably the first "full band album" song that I honestly don't see myself ever wanting to listen to or even tolerate when its on.
    Terrible, terrible arguements. Dave himself said on a radio interview that the song was about Roi disguised as a love song. So that completely ruins your post. Have fun listening to Everyday.
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    Re: I can pretty comfortably say that Baby Blue is Big 3 good

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    there's a fine line between raw emotion and just simply not being able to hit a note. it's just painful to hear sometimes.

    He can hit those notes. Trust me, if they wanted it to sound perfect with every note hit perfectly, it would be that way. There is a reason why is sounds like it does.
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    Re: I can pretty comfortably say that Baby Blue is Big 3 good

    I find this song to just be ok. It's heartfelt and touching but not something I find myself wanting to listen to often.
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    Re: I can pretty comfortably say that Baby Blue is Big 3 good

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    He can hit those notes. Trust me, if they wanted it to sound perfect with every note hit perfectly, it would be that way. There is a reason why is sounds like it does.
    no one should purposely not be hitting notes just so something sounds more heartfelt or whatever. it pains my ears to listen to this song. I know dave can hit the notes and that's why i don't understand why they would release it the way it is. it could sound 10x better.
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