Live Trax Vol. 57: Meadows Music Theatre - Hartford, CT - 8/1/1998

[SeekUpTheCubs]

Would be really cool if they aired the N1 set on Sirius like they did for the LT55 (09)

http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.as...=21&where=1998

[OneSweetMonkey]

Originally Posted by SeekUpTheCubs

Would be really cool if they aired the N1 set on Sirius like they did for the LT55 (09)

http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.as...=21&where=1998

Yes. Very much yes.

[RSSR]

Originally Posted by watsonbriant

It’s also worth noting that Martin would circle back to Summer 98 and wonder why this tour was “ignored” for so long. Hope he finds a copy at Goodwill in 2028.

Originally Posted by btpeters

Maybe it will be a future Drive-in. He's seen those too!!!!!!

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

It depends on my mood. The chet and 914 are signature sounds. Listen to a 03-04 tape for prime 914. 96-98 prime chet.

I enjoy the 714. I also enjoy 000 Rockbridge. His Brazilian jumbo sunburst is so Thuddy and dead sounding

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

https://youtu.be/J9ZaXVGClBA


Whichever one this is works for me

Originally Posted by Floyd47

That is the Brazilian jumbo sunburst Rockbridge

I like it, oh well


The only guitar I don't actually like throughout the years is the Chet, it's nostalgic and a big part of an era of DMB but I don't actually love the sound of it. I prefer a true acoustic sound and the Lakewood, Martin, Taylor, Rockbridge have all sounded good to me while different from each other. The format obviously has a lot to do with it, I mean Martin HD-28 is my favorite individually but works much better solo or D&T.

[crashintonickdm]

Hd28v is martins best dread and I’m more of a Mahogany fan. I prefer that dread to any other 18 style.

[RSSR]

I thought management was getting more with the times by offering 24/92 FLAC downloads. Since LT46, nothing. What happened?

[blumathu]

Must not have sold well enough to justify? I wouldn't think it would cost much more to master and host a copy in that format, but who knows.

[Xcacel]

Do you guys really believe there is an actual listening difference? I mean, we are talking about a 98 live record, not a studio recording.

Probably you’d need something like that to appreciate the difference between FLAC16 and 24.

https://youtu.be/fr8O_jZhpl4

[alec]

It should cost much (if anything) more to get masters done of both 16 and 24 bit. It would involve the same mastering process and then bouncing down each song twice (once in 16 and once in 24).

I question wether I hear a difference between 44.1k vs 96k (or 48 or 88k), but 16bit vs 24bit I definitely hear a difference and think it is worth them making available.

I wonder if the older shows were only recorded in 16 bit? I haven’t been paying attention to which shows are available in 24bit quality - does anyone know if the ones that are are only more recent shows? Like maybe they only started recording the shows in 24 bit during a certain year?

[blumathu]

Originally Posted by alec

It should cost much (if anything) more to get masters done of both 16 and 24 bit. It would involve the same mastering process and then bouncing down each song twice (once in 16 and once in 24).

I question wether I hear a difference between 44.1k vs 96k (or 48 or 88k), but 16bit vs 24bit I definitely hear a difference and think it is worth them making available.

I wonder if the older shows were only recorded in 16 bit? I haven’t been paying attention to which shows are available in 24bit quality - does anyone know if the ones that are are only more recent shows? Like maybe they only started recording the shows in 24 bit during a certain year?

Yes, I believe that's true, I forget when they started doing 24 bit, but the source for the 98 show is probably a 16 bit digital recording. There is a '95 (Live Trax 33) that is available in 24 bit because the source was analog.

[RSSR]

Originally Posted by alec

It should cost much (if anything) more to get masters done of both 16 and 24 bit. It would involve the same mastering process and then bouncing down each song twice (once in 16 and once in 24).

I question wether I hear a difference between 44.1k vs 96k (or 48 or 88k), but 16bit vs 24bit I definitely hear a difference and think it is worth them making available.

I wonder if the older shows were only recorded in 16 bit? I haven’t been paying attention to which shows are available in 24bit quality - does anyone know if the ones that are are only more recent shows? Like maybe they only started recording the shows in 24 bit during a certain year?

LT33, a ‘95 show, and LT29 (but not LT45 which was played later in that tour), were released as 24/96 FLAC downloads.

[HonestDenver1]

Originally Posted by RSSR

I thought management was getting more with the times by offering 24/92 FLAC downloads. Since LT46, nothing. What happened?

You and 3 other people are the only ones that bought them.. I don't think that many DMB fans are buying audiophile level live shows..

[HonestDenver1]

I'm really excited for this release. I think they've done an excellent job this year and last with the shows they've decided to release.

[RSSR]

Originally Posted by HonestDenver1

You and 3 other people are the only ones that bought them.. I don't think that many DMB fans are buying audiophile level live shows..

I don't think it takes a technician in charge of downgrading a 24/96 file to 16/44.1 more than an hour. Unless dobyblue says otherwise, it's probably not labor intensive at all to make it cost inefficient.

[Xcacel]

Originally Posted by alec

It should cost much (if anything) more to get masters done of both 16 and 24 bit. It would involve the same mastering process and then bouncing down each song twice (once in 16 and once in 24).

I question wether I hear a difference between 44.1k vs 96k (or 48 or 88k), but 16bit vs 24bit I definitely hear a difference and think it is worth them making available.

I wonder if the older shows were only recorded in 16 bit? I haven’t been paying attention to which shows are available in 24bit quality - does anyone know if the ones that are are only more recent shows? Like maybe they only started recording the shows in 24 bit during a certain year?

You got me curious. How do your listen to your music? Can you be more specific about the difference?

[RainDog1980]

Originally Posted by HonestDenver1

You and 3 other people are the only ones that bought them.. I don't think that many DMB fans are buying audiophile level live shows..

Eh, you’d be surprised at how many people are savvy enough to recognize the difference. For people who are big enough fans of the band to be buying band released live recordings, they’re usually the type of fan that prefers CD/lossless quality downloads.

And I don’t say this specific to DMB.

[alec]

Originally Posted by Xcacel

You got me curious. How do your listen to your music? Can you be more specific about the difference?

I have a home recording set up, so I am able to listen to higher quality music through my interface (Slate VRS8) on my computer.

I honestly haven’t A/Bed 16bit vs 24bit of DMB albums, but definitely notice a difference in my own recordings that I make in 24 bit when I bounce them down to 16 bit. Thankfully that is no longer necessary with Apple Music supporting lossless. The differences are subtle but I would say 24bit sounds fuller and more open.

[Xcacel]

Originally Posted by alec

I have a home recording set up, so I am able to listen to higher quality music through my interface (Slate VRS8) on my computer.

I honestly haven’t A/Bed 16bit vs 24bit of DMB albums, but definitely notice a difference in my own recordings that I make in 24 bit when I bounce them down to 16 bit. Thankfully that is no longer necessary with Apple Music supporting lossless. The differences are subtle but I would say 24bit sounds fuller and more open.

Well, we are talking about a 2000 $ sound interface that is most likely one of the best in the market:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_con...ature=emb_logo

I believe that you have high end speakers/headphones, so you belong to the 1% of the people having equipment sophisticated enough that you can really appreciate that difference.

I would like to try myself to listen to compare the two FLAC formats but with my setup I can hardly tell the difference between 320 kbps AAC/MP3 vs FLAC16, so …

[coldengrey12]

Originally Posted by Bearclaw_

My first thought is strange album art - I realize they probably don't have a lot of photos to go off of from certain shows but this photo doesn't even look like dave.

Second thought: oh cool a pre order period. Just fucking release it. What is this, the 90s where we get an extra cassette of songs and the commercial scrolls through them so fast we can't read them?

"If you order now and you'll receive this special, limited-time cassingle"

I always used to wonder how they knew what time the commercials aired and it wasn't until years later that I was like oh that was just the regular price, they just made it seem like it was a deal so you bought their thing, very sneaky

[HonestDenver1]

Originally Posted by Xcacel

Well, we are talking about a 2000 $ sound interface that is most likely one of the best in the market:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_con...ature=emb_logo

I believe that you have high end speakers/headphones, so you belong to the 1% of the people having equipment sophisticated enough that you can really appreciate that difference.

I would like to try myself to listen to compare the two FLAC formats but with my setup I can hardly tell the difference between 320 kbps AAC/MP3 vs FLAC16, so …

I’m with you and I have a decent setup..

[djamieb]

The Stone from LT57 is up!!

https://youtu.be/kNoNiQ6E2s0

(It sounds SOOOO good. If the rest of the songs were performed this well, we're definitely in for a treat.)

[two-by-twostep]

Originally Posted by djamieb

The Stone from LT57 is up!!

https://youtu.be/kNoNiQ6E2s0
(It sounds SOOOO good. If the rest of the songs were performed this well, we're definitely in for a treat.)

sounds great! ive always been disappointed by the mixes on the 98 releases (very tinny and hallow), but this one sounds much more balanced and full. looking forward to the release

edit: as others have said, wtf is up with having to wait over a month from announcement to release?? this isn't a major album where you're trying to build hype. this is a random show from 23 years ago that only hardcores like us are interested in. the announcement should be the release. /rant

[Dannyyankou]

This might be my favorite mix of all time. On par with LT3

[RSSR]

Originally Posted by two-by-twostep

sounds great! ive always been disappointed by the mixes on the 98 releases (very tinny and hallow), but this one sounds much more balanced and full. looking forward to the release

edit: as others have said, wtf is up with having to wait over a month from announcement to release?? this isn't a major album where you're trying to build hype. this is a random show from 23 years ago that only hardcores like us are interested in. the announcement should be the release. /rant

I think they have to know how many to print. CDs are slowly dying, and they don't want boxes of them sitting in a warehouse next to Boyd's album.

[crashintonickdm]

That stone is fantastic. Not sure if it’s as good as 9/2/00 but it’s very strong

[HonestDenver1]

Originally Posted by Dannyyankou

This might be my favorite mix of all time. On par with LT3

I honestly don’t know if you’re being sarcastic.. it sounds terrible.

[HonestDenver1]

Originally Posted by two-by-twostep

sounds great! ive always been disappointed by the mixes on the 98 releases (very tinny and hallow), but this one sounds much more balanced and full. looking forward to the release

edit: as others have said, wtf is up with having to wait over a month from announcement to release?? this isn't a major album where you're trying to build hype. this is a random show from 23 years ago that only hardcores like us are interested in. the announcement should be the release. /rant

I think it sounds very muddy and overly compressed.. cymbals are kind of jarring.. Dave’s guitar sounds good. But bass and drums sound boxy.. Boyd is too loud and tinny

[Xcacel]

I don’t think the we can really estimate the real audio quality of the release from a YouTube upload.
In fact audio on YouTube streams is usually compressed to 126 kbps AAC in an MP4 container or anywhere from 50-165 kbps Opus in a WebM container.

Source: https://www.h3xed.com/web-and-intern...80p-720p-1080p


I don’t think I own anymore any MP3 having less than 256 kbps, and when I listened to my old 128 kbps they sounded so shitty.

[BruceW]

Originally Posted by two-by-twostep

sounds great! ive always been disappointed by the mixes on the 98 releases (very tinny and hallow), but this one sounds much more balanced and full. looking forward to the release

edit: as others have said, wtf is up with having to wait over a month from announcement to release?? this isn't a major album where you're trying to build hype. this is a random show from 23 years ago that only hardcores like us are interested in. the announcement should be the release. /rant

Originally Posted by RSSR

I think they have to know how many to print. CDs are slowly dying, and they don't want boxes of them sitting in a warehouse next to Boyd's album.

This.

I just wish they went the Phish route with these and allow you to buy and DL the digital album immediately and if you want them to make you a cd, then fine, order it and they’ll do that.

[Cryfreedom09]

Originally Posted by HonestDenver1

I honestly don’t know if you’re being sarcastic.. it sounds terrible.

nope