Star Wars: Episode IX Rise Of Skywalker (2019)

[TwoStep2888]

Originally Posted by currupt3d**

Interesting list. I'd like to hear why you think Clones is worse than Meance.

Menace has Liam Neeson and a good swordfight at the end, Clones has nothing I like

[Jake]

Originally Posted by smokew11

part of it has to do with the fact that we've gotten more star wars movies in the last 5 years than we had in the previous 30ish

you are correct - that's why you have to be very careful with movie franchises.


Let's take the MCU for example. You might not even recall what that stands for, but it's Marvel Cinematic Universe. They released so many movies in a row that everyone forgot about them. They once released Black Panther and Avengers Infinity War within months of each other! Both movies bombed b/c of all the fatigue about releasing movies too quickly.



oh wait - that didn't happen. Shit. Doesn't fit the narrative. hmmm.... let's try and blame the alt right. Maybe that's why these movies aren't well received. I mean, it can't be b/c they are aren't very good, could it? Nah...

[AndySlash]

Originally Posted by TwoStep2888

Menace has Liam Neeson and a good swordfight at the end, Clones has nothing I like

i, too, rate menace above clones, and for pretty much the same reasons. liam neeson at least gave eI some gravitas and soul. eII is completely devoid of it.

[Beefsteak1138]

Clones is above menace just because less Jar Jar. Both are not good, like really not good.

Oversaturation is not SW's problem. The lack of a long-term vision is. It just boggles my mind that Kennedy didn't have the sequel trilogy planned out, at least the high-level story beats. Also, all the problems with their choice of directors. Rogue One, Solo and XIII were all plagued by issues w/ directors (less so on XIII since Trevorrow was replaced early and Johnson turned in a near-masterpiece).

[BotheLaneFan]

I liked Solo a lot. The only one of the new movies I've really enjoyed. :/

[Roose13]

The only thing I'm thankful for from the prequels is it gave us the Clone Wars show, which took the ideas and made them 10x better. Shame something like that couldn't work in the movies.

[Beefsteak1138]

Originally Posted by BotheLaneFan

I liked Solo a lot. The only one of the new movies I've really enjoyed. :/

Solo was not memorable to me at all, and I have no real desire to see it again (though I'm sure I will).

[BotheLaneFan]

Originally Posted by Beefsteak1138

Solo was not memorable to me at all, and I have no real desire to see it again (though I'm sure I will).

I don't plan to watch it again either, but I haven't watched any of the others again by choice either. (I re-watched VII with my nephew one afternoon when I was watching him, still didn't really like it,)

[BotheLaneFan]

I'm also very concerned that Terrio isn't a very good writer, but rather a guy who once wrote a very good script.

[excitingjae]

Originally Posted by Jake

you are correct - that's why you have to be very careful with movie franchises.


Let's take the MCU for example. You might not even recall what that stands for, but it's Marvel Cinematic Universe. They released so many movies in a row that everyone forgot about them. They once released Black Panther and Avengers Infinity War within months of each other! Both movies bombed b/c of all the fatigue about releasing movies too quickly.



oh wait - that didn't happen. Shit. Doesn't fit the narrative. hmmm.... let's try and blame the alt right. Maybe that's why these movies aren't well received. I mean, it can't be b/c they are aren't very good, could it? Nah...

I'll bite.

Black Panther brought in a segment of the population to the movies that didn't have a super hero represent them in a starring role since, what...Hancock?

Infinity War is what the last few years of all those MCU movies was building up to so of course it was going to be huge.

The difference between Star Wars and the MCU is that Star Wars is very limited in what they do. Lightsabers. Space Ships. and Pew Pew Pew. People with any special abilities (eg Force users) pretty much have all the same powers. Marvel characters all have different powers, all look different and all are played by very popular actors.

If you don't like Star Wars you're probably not going to see a spin-off or maybe any of the films. If you don't like Ant-Man that doesn't mean you're not going to see Spider-Man. Star Wars used to be the king at the box office and then it was de-throned by Titanic. Lucas made three shitty prequels and people gave up. But there are people that love the prequels and people that don't like the sequel trilogy. It is what it is.

Marvel movies just have more mass appeal than a Star Wars film. I'm ok with that.

[excitingjae]

Originally Posted by BotheLaneFan

I'm also very concerned that Terrio isn't a very good writer, but rather a guy who once wrote a very good script.

This fits George Lucas to a T by the way.

[BotheLaneFan]

Originally Posted by excitingjae

This fits George Lucas to a T by the way.

American Grafitti is also great. Lucas is a great story guy, he just falls short on the nitty gritty of writing.

[ExistenceNow]

I’m firmly in the Clones is the worst camp.

[excitingjae]

Originally Posted by ExistenceNow

I’m firmly in the Clones is the worst camp.

I liked Clones for a good while but then I realized I only really liked it when Obi-Wan went off to Kamino and when Dooku asked him to join him. Other than that it's bleh.

The Phantom Menace is booooooooring and a snoozefest. Even the lightsaber duel at the end can't save it for me.

I guess that leaves Revenge of the Sith as the best prequel but holy smokes the end duel is too over-the-top.

I brought the box set of blurays with episodes 1-6 on my three week vacation and no one wanted to watch any of the prequels. For good reason.

[Beefsteak1138]

Let's try spinning. That's a good trick.

[chadizzy1]

Didn't see this mentioned, but the cast was announced a few days ago.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/carrie-fishe...ars-1827933278

Interesting to see what they do with Carrie Fisher. Abrams said: "We desperately loved Carrie Fisher. Finding a truly satisfying conclusion to the Skywalker saga without her eluded us. We were never going to recast, or use a CG character. With the support and blessing from her daughter, Billie, we have found a way to honor Carrie’s legacy and role as Leia in Episode IX by using unseen footage we shot together in Episode VII.”

Excited to see Luke as a force ghost.

[Beefsteak1138]

Nice try, Dizzy. Jake already informed us that Star Wars is is dead and nobody cares about it.

[AndySlash]

Originally Posted by ExistenceNow

I’m firmly in the Clones is the worst camp.

there are dozens of us! dozens!!

[currupt3d**]

Originally Posted by TwoStep2888

Menace has Liam Neeson and a good swordfight at the end, Clones has nothing I like

Unedited, I can't stand Menace. The amount of cheese in that movie is astounding. Clones is slightly more watchable for me, the geonosis fight scenes and Jango help too. The fan edits are cool but there's only so much you can do with movies that have scripts that could have been better written by a grade schooler.

[Beefsteak1138]

I don't like sand.

[MOWJO8185]

Originally Posted by Beefsteak1138

I don't like sand.

It's coarse and rough and irritating and gets everywhere.

[Jake]

Originally Posted by Beefsteak1138

Nice try, Dizzy. Jake already informed us that Star Wars is is dead and nobody cares about it.

Beefy - it's ok that you like TLJ. But you're in denial - it's not a vocal minority or alt right or a few YouTube haters... it didn't work. The numbers are obvious.


I love how Netflix took down reviews just when a certain movie hit streaming...

https://www.polygon.com/2018/7/6/175...feature-rating

[smokew11]

Menace w/o Jar Jar is somewhat watchable. Saved by the duel at the end
Clones absolutely sucks
Sith could have been really good, but Anakin's turn to the dark side was so contrived and rushed "He needs to have a trial, it's the Jedi way....kill a bunch of kids? Yeah, sure". Also agree that the Obi Wan fight at the end is so over the top it's ridiculous.

[snake911]

Originally Posted by AndySlash

i, too, rate menace above clones, and for pretty much the same reasons. liam neeson at least gave eI some gravitas and soul. eII is completely devoid of it.

I'm 100% in this camp. Clones is the bottom of bottom for me. Menace had Neeson and McGregor doing a proper bit of work as Jedi's, I liked the "use the lightsaber to stab open a door" at the beginning cause we had only seen sabers hack and slash up to then, Maul was an excellent villain who was (it seemed) killed off too quick. Jar jar was insanely poorly done, The underwater people were all pretty lame and possibly thinly veiled ethnic stereotypes, but it wasn't that bad of a film. Clones was terrible, every single second of it. I might even put Menage above III because its got 100% less Hayden Christensen. Adam Driver in TLJ did the "torn between light and dark" that should have been done in III but HC is too poor of an actor to pull it off. The biggest issue I had with all the prequels was CGI everything. There was no visceral feel to the worlds and the films suffered greatly because of it.

[Beefsteak1138]

Originally Posted by Jake

Beefy - it's ok that you like TLJ. But you're in denial - it's not a vocal minority or alt right or a few YouTube haters... it didn't work. The numbers are obvious.


I love how Netflix took down reviews just when a certain movie hit streaming...

https://www.polygon.com/2018/7/6/175...feature-rating

Yeah, maybe, but I also think that time will tell. There's this other little movie that was hated by a lot of fans when it came out, it was called the Empire Strikes Back, now pretty much universally noted as the best SW movie. I can't imagine what the backlash would have been like if the internet had existed then.

https://www.starwars.com/news/critic...iginal-reviews
https://www.newstatesman.com/culture...and-irrational

Also, a lot of the criticism I see makes zero sense logically, as if the person doing the criticism didn't even watch the entire movie or didn't understand in the least. Not saying that there aren't valid criticisms, which there certainly are.

[Jake]

Originally Posted by Beefsteak1138

Yeah, maybe, but I also think that time will tell. There's this other little movie that was hated by a lot of fans when it came out, it was called the Empire Strikes Back, now pretty much universally noted as the best SW movie. I can't imagine what the backlash would have been like if the internet had existed then.

https://www.starwars.com/news/critic...iginal-reviews
https://www.newstatesman.com/culture...and-irrational

Also, a lot of the criticism I see makes zero sense logically, as if the person doing the criticism didn't even watch the entire movie or didn't understand in the least. Not saying that there aren't valid criticisms, which there certainly are.

look - I saw Empire in the theater, I can tell you that NO ONE hated it. There were a lot of people shocked, and saddened, but all this stuff about critics said this and so on for Empire is just not what it was back then.

the core base of the film - for Empire dug it. The core base for TLJ is at least as divided as the DMB base is for this tour. That doesn't bode well for either one

[scrock25]

Originally Posted by Beefsteak1138

Yeah, maybe, but I also think that time will tell. There's this other little movie that was hated by a lot of fans when it came out, it was called the Empire Strikes Back, now pretty much universally noted as the best SW movie. I can't imagine what the backlash would have been like if the internet had existed then.

https://www.starwars.com/news/critic...iginal-reviews
https://www.newstatesman.com/culture...and-irrational

Also, a lot of the criticism I see makes zero sense logically, as if the person doing the criticism didn't even watch the entire movie or didn't understand in the least. Not saying that there aren't valid criticisms, which there certainly are.

Bro, he saw it in the theater everybody loved it shut your stupid whore mouth.

[DMBZeppelin]

Originally Posted by Jake

look - I saw Empire in the theater, I can tell you that NO ONE hated it. There were a lot of people shocked, and saddened, but all this stuff about critics said this and so on for Empire is just not what it was back then.

the core base of the film - for Empire dug it. The core base for TLJ is at least as divided as the DMB base is for this tour. That doesn't bode well for either one

I think the bigger tell is the overall Star Wars hype is dead. Abrams admittedly was trying to mirror a New Hope with Episode 7 to introduce new characters. It was far from perfect, but people were dying to see the next movie.

8 comes along and pretty much says “well forget all that stuff in 7... and you know what those other 6 don’t matter much either” and what’s even the point of 9? Episode 9 is the end of the Skywalker saga and the only one left is Ben/Kyle.... cool?

[deftones]

Originally Posted by Jake

look - I saw Empire in the theater, I can tell you that NO ONE hated it. There were a lot of people shocked, and saddened, but all this stuff about critics said this and so on for Empire is just not what it was back then.

the core base of the film - for Empire dug it. The core base for TLJ is at least as divided as the DMB base is for this tour. That doesn't bode well for either one

You speak the truth.

TLJ is absolute shit. Rian Johnson and Darth Menopause killed the trilogy when they allowed that shit stain to be released. Poor, poor Mark Hammil. This review is spot on. https://hooktube.com/watch?v=9QJRw56cOVw

[TwoStep2888]

I'm interested to see how JJ wraps things up in IX, I loved VIII so I hope he doesn't backtrack on what Rian did, I guess we'll see next December