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Old 11-05-2022, 02:08 AM   #1
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What songs are noticeably getting worse live/ what songs are still strong

I would like to talk about the elephant in the room which is the performance of some songs decreasing due to age of the band/Boyd-less. Obviously theyíre still rockin out and it all still is amazing but what is one song that is noticeably worse these days and what is one song that you think they still perform amazingly? (A positive note)


For my song that is getting painful to listen to it is by far Nancies. this is one of my favorite songs ever (like most) but man itís getting rough. The intro is soulless, Dave whimpers through the first hook and verse Iím not sure why itís hard for him to sing because it is not a vocally demanding song and the whole first 2 minutes is just super quiet. Also they just have not figured out the Boyd fills, this was a Boyd heavy song and gave it such depth and intensity but between each verse itís just quiet with some mild Tim guitar fill. And letís not talk about the jam part, the electric guitar just is not cutting it anymore.


A song I still think is amazing live is Pig, the keyboard strings sound great and Dave and the band still bring the intensity and it sounds like it did 15 years ago
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  • Old 11-05-2022, 02:12 AM   #2
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    Re: What songs are noticeably getting worse live/ what songs are still strong

    Seek Up getting worse.

    Jimi Thing more tolerable this year.

    Crush as good as ever.

    Come On Come On was really good this year. Much better than when it debuted a few years ago.
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    Old 11-05-2022, 02:15 AM   #3
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    Re: What songs are noticeably getting worse live/ what songs are still strong

    I would say Iím the exact opposite as OP. I love Pig, but Iíd be cool if they never played it live again. Nancies on the other hand is finally interesting again. One of my favorite tunes, but I feel from 07-16 it wasnít as special as it was in the earlier days. I dig the new format and solo choices.
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    Old 11-05-2022, 02:17 AM   #4
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    Re: What songs are noticeably getting worse live/ what songs are still strong

    I’ve thought grey street has sounded better this year (not just from the 3rd verse either)

    Everyday sounds terrible still. I wish they’d buried that one when Boyd left.
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    Old 11-05-2022, 02:30 AM   #5
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    Re: What songs are noticeably getting worse live/ what songs are still strong

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    Seek Up getting worse. <br>
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    Jimi Thing more tolerable this year. <br>
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    Crush as good as ever. <br>
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    Come On Come On was really good this year. Much better than when it debuted a few years ago.
    Agreed come on come on has been great, and I feel like itís become a favorite for a lot
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    Old 11-05-2022, 09:17 AM   #6
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    Re: What songs are noticeably getting worse live/ what songs are still strong

    He has a little sister named Jane and this isn’t the song that Jane liked.
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    Old 11-05-2022, 09:25 AM   #7
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    Re: What songs are noticeably getting worse live/ what songs are still strong

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    Seek Up getting worse.

    Jimi Thing more tolerable this year.

    Crush as good as ever.

    Come On Come On was really good this year. Much better than when it debuted a few years ago.
    I agree with Jimi, Crush, and Come On, but man... last night's Seek Up might be the best thing I've heard this band play in years (and even outside of that specific performance, I think Seek Up has been sounding as good as it ever has for a while now).

    One Sweet World is the biggest offender to me.
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    Old 11-05-2022, 09:33 AM   #8
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    Old 11-05-2022, 09:50 AM   #9
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    He has a little sister named Jane and this isnít the song that Jane liked.
    I actually think Jane sounds pretty tight. Iíll still take it at any show.
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    Old 11-05-2022, 11:16 AM   #10
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    Re: What songs are noticeably getting worse live/ what songs are still strong

    #41, Ants, Crush, Bartender, Grey St, and WWYS are getting worse.

    Seek Up, Pig, Typical, Grace, LIOG are getting better.
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    Old 11-05-2022, 01:48 PM   #11
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    Re: What songs are noticeably getting worse live/ what songs are still strong

    Watched a recent video of them playing The Stone. I think it’s the first time I really noticed how Carter is slowing down. It sounded so empty, void of his choppy/busy fills that really drive the song.
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    Old 11-05-2022, 02:01 PM   #12
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    Miss the old warehouse. Enjoy the new powerful DDTW
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    Old 11-05-2022, 02:06 PM   #13
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    Re: What songs are noticeably getting worse live/ what songs are still strong

    Seek Up was mvp last night
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    Old 11-05-2022, 02:37 PM   #14
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    Re: What songs are noticeably getting worse live/ what songs are still strong

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    Watched a recent video of them playing The Stone. I think itís the first time I really noticed how Carter is slowing down. It sounded so empty, void of his choppy/busy fills that really drive the song.
    Yeah, last recent Stone I listened to I noticed it sounded like a much more straightforward drumbeat vs what he used to do
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    Old 11-05-2022, 02:53 PM   #15
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    Re: What songs are noticeably getting worse live/ what songs are still strong

    Billies still misses Boyd, but they've done a good job with keeping that one good live. Grace is Gone is always good, too. So is What Would You Say.

    #41 and Ants are two that came to mind that are getting worse
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    Old 11-05-2022, 02:56 PM   #16
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    #41 and Ants are the obvious choices for songs getting worse. I don't think there is a lot of disagreement on that on here.
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    Old 11-05-2022, 04:44 PM   #17
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    Re: What songs are noticeably getting worse live/ what songs are still strong

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    Watched a recent video of them playing The Stone. I think itís the first time I really noticed how Carter is slowing down. It sounded so empty, void of his choppy/busy fills that really drive the song.
    This got me curious and wowÖ what a difference.
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    Re: What songs are noticeably getting worse live/ what songs are still strong

    Ants has been terrible the entirety of DMB 4.0.
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    Old 11-05-2022, 05:02 PM   #19
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    Crush has become one of their best staple songs.
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    Old 11-05-2022, 05:19 PM   #20
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    Watched a recent video of them playing The Stone. I think itís the first time I really noticed how Carter is slowing down. It sounded so empty, void of his choppy/busy fills that really drive the song.
    I hear what youíre saying, but I donít think itís extremely different. Yeah he really played much busier and more intensely on it Ď08-Ď16 (and absolutely nuts in 2010), but if you listen to the tune Ď98-06 ish he plays more straightforward like the record. I think heís playing it more edgy this year (and stronger overall) vs Ď18-21. Take a listen to it at Hartford this year, he was doing some really powerful stuff with Jeff.

    So yes maybe less busy compared to the last decade and some, but take a listen further back (Iím a drummer btw)
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    Old 11-05-2022, 06:27 PM   #21
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    Re: What songs are noticeably getting worse live/ what songs are still strong

    There is a list of songs that are noticeably worse with the departure of the violin.
    That would be these songs that I would previously look forward to hearing, now I'm just indifferent hearing because they are just not the same.

    LIOG
    Nancies
    Seek Up
    Jane
    Ants
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    Billies (at least they gave Jeff a spot to solo)
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    Old 11-05-2022, 06:43 PM   #22
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    Re: What songs are noticeably getting worse live/ what songs are still strong

    Seek Up has been fabulous with the 4.0 lineup. Also typical and so right sound great. Jimi is much improved this year, and I’ve enjoyed two step’s return.

    Billies, nancies and pig have worked out ok without Boyd, but man are graves and ants hard to listen to.

    OSW and #41 have become shells of their former selves, it’s sad.
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    Old 11-05-2022, 06:52 PM   #23
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    Re: What songs are noticeably getting worse live/ what songs are still strong

    The Last Stop gets worse every time it reappears, and has from the beginning. It was godlike in '98. It wasn't quite as good in '03, but still great. '06, it's losing some steam. '10, the reprise sounds pretty messed up. '16, pretty blah. Then '19, it loses the reprise altogether.
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    Old 11-05-2022, 06:52 PM   #24
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    Ants has been terrible the entirety of DMB 4.0.
    Hollywood Bowl was a breath of fresh air for that one and Billies.

    I donít think I could honestly say any song sounds better than it did with the original lineup, but thereís songs like Stone or Lie in Our Graves that sounded super tight and very well performed this last summer.

    DDTW has been way too heavy for years, Grey Street while sounding better these days still lacks the punch it used to have and will never totally work for me with the horn duel, Rapunzel misses the finesse it used to have and does not benefit from the two horns riding on top each other during the jam, Even though his part wasnít anything intricate Bartender really isnít the same without violin. The band sounded the best they have in a long time in 2022 though. Thereís things Iíll always miss, and will never be the same, but they sounded more like a cohesive unit than they have in a while.
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    Old 11-05-2022, 07:43 PM   #25
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    I hear what youíre saying, but I donít think itís extremely different. Yeah he really played much busier and more intensely on it Ď08-Ď16 (and absolutely nuts in 2010), but if you listen to the tune Ď98-06 ish he plays more straightforward like the record. I think heís playing it more edgy this year (and stronger overall) vs Ď18-21. Take a listen to it at Hartford this year, he was doing some really powerful stuff with Jeff.

    So yes maybe less busy compared to the last decade and some, but take a listen further back (Iím a drummer btw)

    I'd have to go back and listen / watch it but I was at Hartford two rows behind the pit and remember thinking there were one or two big mistakes at the time
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    Old 11-05-2022, 08:14 PM   #26
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    I'd have to go back and listen / watch it but I was at Hartford two rows behind the pit and remember thinking there were one or two big mistakes at the time
    I was there too, I think Carter went into the small instrumental section instead of the next verse at one point, but Dave sang the verse and it ended up sounding kinda cool. It was the tour debut so that was probably a factor. Regardless, it was a good performance and that doesnít change what I was saying above.
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    I was there too, I think Carter went into the small instrumental section instead of the next verse at one point, but Dave sang the verse and it ended up sounding kinda cool. It was the tour debut so that was probably a factor. Regardless, it was a good performance and that doesnít change what I was saying above.

    Yeah just saw the mention of that performance, I agree I think he's playing well still
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    Old 11-05-2022, 09:41 PM   #28
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    Alla y’all a bunch of boneheads.

    As you were.
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    Theyíre all worse

    But thatís okay.
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    Theyíre all worse

    But thatís okay.
    That is a good point.
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