**Deer Creek 2010**

[myersk27]

rats......i just missed it!

[twostep03]

Originally Posted by myersk27

giants looked pretty tough in the world series.....just sayin

well yea, but you can't compare based on the world series. Look at interleague play over the lats 10 years. AL dominates every year

[jhinds76]

Originally Posted by twostep03

They can't hit because they never do it. Also, some AL pitchers are pretty good hitters in interleague play (Mark Buehrle has 2 home runs). They don't go to the AL because they are lazy. They just forget how to hit when they are there. Make the NL pitchers stop hitting and the pitching talent of the AL is still superior

Wrong. Pitchers go to the AL so they don't have to hit. They are Lazy. The other variable which is huge is the markets and the money spent. But again implement the changes and this also goes away.

[sean52692]

The AL is better than the NL. this is old news.

[sean52692]

Originally Posted by jhinds76

Wrong. Pitchers go to the AL so they don't have to hit. They are Lazy. The other variable which is huge is the markets and the money spent. But again implement the changes and this also goes away.

I dunno, if I was a pitcher, I'd rather pitch in the NL. I wouldn't want to face some of those excellent 1-9 AL lineups on a weekly basis

[jhinds76]

Originally Posted by sean52692

I dunno, if I was a pitcher, I'd rather pitch in the NL. I wouldn't want to face some of those excellent 1-9 AL lineups on a weekly basis

As would I but that is not the mentality of most of the top pitchers. Some yes but there again a salary cap squashes after a few years allot of the difference in talent between leagues. In the grand scheme of things the ownership in the AL is far better than that in the NL. I would never want to see a lid put good ownership that is commited to investing in their teams, I think the cap should force the less motivated owners up their anti. Seriously why be allowed to own a team if your goal is not to win championships?

[twostep03]

Originally Posted by sean52692

I dunno, if I was a pitcher, I'd rather pitch in the NL. I wouldn't want to face some of those excellent 1-9 AL lineups on a weekly basis

exactly. Removing the DH won't make AL pitchers less talented. It will just make their job easier. So they have to hit, big deal. They still get an automatic out in the line-up they pitch against

[jhinds76]

Originally Posted by sean52692

The AL is better than the NL. this is old news.

Not that All Star games mean anything but they are an embarrassing point in fact that this has been the case for what most of 2 decades?

[twostep03]

Originally Posted by jhinds76

I agree. Apply the changes I mentioned and this statement goes from true to false.

I disagree. When you give NL teams a DH, they still can't compete. You can level the playing field either way. The AL is the Big Big Leagues. NL is the little big leagues

[twostep03]

Originally Posted by jhinds76

Not that All Star games mean anything but they are an embarrassing point in fact that this has been the case for what most of 2 decades?

it's not the allstar game that's embarrassing. It's the interleague play record for the past 10-15 years

[myersk27]

Originally Posted by twostep03

well yea, but you can't compare based on the world series. Look at interleague play over the lats 10 years. AL dominates every year

i generally think that the world series is a pretty good determining factor......but that's just me......championships mean more to me than regular season games......

and i don't consider myself to be an expert on baseball history at all so it may very well be that the AL has won more world series's than the NL......but we all know that the baseball season is a long grind and that during the course of a long regular season teams don't play at their full potential every day.....

[jhinds76]

Originally Posted by twostep03

exactly. Removing the DH won't make AL pitchers less talented. It will just make their job easier. So they have to hit, big deal. They still get an automatic out in the line-up they pitch against

I was not saying it would make them less talented. If you remove the DH and force NL owners to invest more in their teams, pitchers would not flock to the AL the way allot of them do. It is simple. Even if they did those things the NL would still be atleast 5 years out from equaling the AL talent.

[sean52692]

Originally Posted by twostep03

I disagree. When you give NL teams a DH, they still can't compete. You can level the playing field either way. The AL is the Big Big Leagues. NL is the little big leagues

Well, give the NL a few seasons to build teams around another hitter in the everyday lineup, and then they will compete just fine.

[jhinds76]

Originally Posted by twostep03

it's not the allstar game that's embarrassing. It's the interleague play record for the past 10-15 years

even better point.

It is horrendous.

[twostep03]

Originally Posted by myersk27

i generally think that the world series is a pretty good determining factor......but that's just me......championships mean more to me than regular season games......

and i don't consider myself to be an expert on baseball history at all so it may very well be that the AL has won more world series's than the NL......but we all know that the baseball season is a long grind and that during the course of a long regular season teams don't play at their full potential every day.....

the bolded is very true. Every team goes through slumps. The reason WS championships shouldn't be used for comparison though is because there are a lot of NL teams in the playoffs that wouldn't be in the playoffs if they played in the AL. Like I said, put any NL team in the AL and they lose 10 more games at least during the regular season. The Cardinals won the WS in 06 when they won 83 games during the season. They shouldn't have even had a chance to go to the WS. They just happened to step up their game in the playoffs and win it

[myersk27]

interleague play records.....just fyi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interleague_play

[twostep03]

Originally Posted by myersk27

interleague play records.....just fyi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interleague_play

so it's moreso the last 6-7 years that the AL have been dominating

[myersk27]

Originally Posted by twostep03

the bolded is very true. Every team goes through slumps. The reason WS championships shouldn't be used for comparison though is because there are a lot of NL teams in the playoffs that wouldn't be in the playoffs if they played in the AL. Like I said, put any NL team in the AL and they lose 10 more games at least during the regular season. The Cardinals won the WS in 06 when they won 83 games during the season. They shouldn't have even had a chance to go to the WS. They just happened to step up their game in the playoffs and win it

i don't know, it's kind of a silly argument because we will never really know how it would play out.....i mean, when MLB re-aligned, Milwaukee went from the AL to the NL and i haven't seen them winning any championships......if the offense is so superior in the AL you would have thought that Milwaukee would have been clobbering people when they came to the NL.....

that's probably a stretch and a weak argument point though

[myersk27]

Originally Posted by twostep03

so it's moreso the last 6-7 years that the AL have been dominating

i was just putting it out there, just for information purposes......i was interested in finding out the stats

[jhinds76]

Originally Posted by twostep03

I disagree. When you give NL teams a DH, they still can't compete. You can level the playing field either way. The AL is the Big Big Leagues. NL is the little big leagues

You are missing the point. DH allows pitchers to go to the AL and not hit. If the DH rule was not there they would not get to choose to hit or not to hit. You eliminate that option and force NL owners to be as good to their teams as most AL owners are and you have a level playing field (eventually).

[myersk27]

this is fun

[twostep03]

Originally Posted by jhinds76

You are missing the point. DH allows pitchers to go to the AL and not hit. If the DH rule was not there they would not get to choose to hit or not to hit. You eliminate that option and force NL owners to be as good to their teams as most AL owners are and you have a level playing field (eventually).

yea I see your point. I don't think that's the reason why pitchers choose the AL though. If they want the best numbers, they should go to the NL. Easier opposing line-ups = better pitching stats. Isn't baseball all about stats? They don't just go to the AL to avoid hitting.

[sean52692]

Well, you know they'll never get rid of the DH, so it's only a matter of time until the NL gets it.

that will be one of the saddest days of my life, if it ever happens.

[jhinds76]

Originally Posted by myersk27

i don't know, it's kind of a silly argument because we will never really know how it would play out.....i mean, when MLB re-aligned, Milwaukee went from the AL to the NL and i haven't seen them winning any championships......if the offense is so superior in the AL you would have thought that Milwaukee would have been clobbering people when they came to the NL.....

that's probably a stretch and a weak argument point though

It's not that there are more offensive threats in the AL. There are plenty of threats in the NL they are just on a few teams as opposed to most teams having them in the AL. There is more parody between teams in the AL than there is between teams in the NL.

[twostep03]

Originally Posted by myersk27

i don't know, it's kind of a silly argument because we will never really know how it would play out.....i mean, when MLB re-aligned, Milwaukee went from the AL to the NL and i haven't seen them winning any championships......if the offense is so superior in the AL you would have thought that Milwaukee would have been clobbering people when they came to the NL.....

that's probably a stretch and a weak argument point though

They weren't winning championships when they were in the AL. You could move Kansas City to the NL and it doesn't mean they are gonna win. A bad team in the AL is still a bad team in the NL

[sean52692]

I don't think pitchers really "choose" to go the AL. I think they just choose to go to the team where they think they'll succeed the most, and be surrounded by the most amount of talent and get a lot of $.

[twostep03]

Originally Posted by sean52692

Well, you know they'll never get rid of the DH, so it's only a matter of time until the NL gets it.

that will be one of the saddest days of my life, if it ever happens.

I like the idea of getting rid of the DH if pitchers could actually hit. But if the AL got rid of the DH, it would just mean you have 8 hitters and one automatic out. That's not how baseball was meant to be played. Back in the day, pitchers were good hitters (Babe Ruth for example). Nowadays, pitchers get this idea that they aren't supposed to be good hitters, so they arent. It's almost like a self-fulfilling prophecy. They know nothing is expected of them at the plate so they don't produce at the plate

[jhinds76]

Originally Posted by sean52692

I don't think pitchers really "choose" to go the AL. I think they just choose to go to the team where they think they'll succeed the most, and be surrounded by the most amount of talent and get a lot of $.

This! Exactly!!! They go to the teams with owners who put out contendors.

[sean52692]

Originally Posted by myersk27

this is fun

Nothing like some good ol baseball talk in Feb.

[twostep03]

makes me wish today was opening day