2021-2022 NFL Season

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

But the thing is, there are advanced metrics that help assign value to calls/non-calls, and in close games (especially those decided by less than a TD) that value can change the game. It's similar to the strike zone analysis in baseball - you can weight the missed calls and assign change in runs/run differential.


There's far too much technology available to have bad calls, missed calls, and to be measuring first downs with literal sticks and chains. All major American sports need accountability in officiating, and all should be investing in the tech to ensure correct calls if they care about the integrity of the game (they mostly don't, and exhibit A is the warm embrace the NFL is giving the gambling industry).

I'd have to think hard about the last time I felt a game was decided by the refs in a Patriots game, that's all I'm saying, disagreeing that it's THE narrative after every game but it could obviously be improved



In other news Stafford's 4th quarter stats on this playoff run are crazy

[UNC41]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

Imagine having a team you root for giving the offensive player of the year a free release into zone coverage all game when he's the only threat?

What was odd is that Kupp only had one catch the entire second half up until the last touchdown drive. I am not sure if that was more the Bengals defending him better or Stafford not looking his way, but it was odd to see him completely absent from the offense for a bunch of possessions and then all over the place as they drove for the game-winning score.

[Foreverford05]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

I'd have to think hard about the last time I felt a game was decided by the refs in a Patriots game, that's all I'm saying, disagreeing that it's THE narrative after every game but it could obviously be improved



In other news Stafford's 4th quarter stats on this playoff run are crazy

NE/Dallas week 6 would have absolutely been decided by the refs had Dallas lost. 12 penalties for 115yds: The 1st holding on Smith fine, that's a 'every play' penalty but fine. Then the hold on Williams followed by the illegal hands to the face by Smith were absolutely atrocious. Then the hold and UC on Williams at the end of the 4th were about as obvious giveaways as there could have been, refs over there begging NE to just win this game and giving them every opportunity to do so. Trash game.

[drakan]

It's not even enough to win a super bowl now you have to get engaged or have a baby after the game.

[Antiramie]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

Imagine having a team you root for giving the offensive player of the year a free release into zone coverage all game when he's the only threat?

Minus the shit penalty that led to his 2nd TD, the Bengals held him to 80 something yards and a TD.

He's arguably the best WR in football. Dude is gonna put up some stats no matter what scheme you throw at him.

[Antiramie]

Originally Posted by UNC41

Bad calls hurt both teams. It's just lazy to call out the refs as a primary reason the Bengals lost last night. The offensive line, Eli Apple and giving the ball to Samage Perine with the game on the line and some questionable play calling are just a few things that had more to do with the outcome than the refs.

I don't know how many times I have to say it wasn't the primary reason before you stop responding like that's what I'm saying.

And like I said before, the Rams had some atrocious offensive playcalls too. Hence why I put O-line play and officiating ahead of that variable.

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by Antiramie

Minus the shit penalty that led to his 2nd TD, the Bengals held him to 80 something yards and a TD.

He's arguably the best WR in football. Dude is gonna put up some stats no matter what scheme you throw at him.

Yes when you take away things he did he did less than he did


Probably a good player to key in on when the game matters the most, two players that you have to focus on with Darnold and Kupp, let both of them do what they want to win the game.

[Antiramie]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

Yes when you take away things he did he did less than he did


Probably a good player to key in on when the game matters the most, two players that you have to focus on with Darnold and Kupp, let both of them do what they want to win the game.

He had those stats before the refs gifted the Rams another 4 downs

You can't hold players like him down forever. And I don't know what you can do to stop him when you have Eli Apple as a starting QB.

[Antiramie]

Why didn't the other NHL teams just stop Wayne Gretzky?

[ToySoldier#34]

Why didn't BB focus on taking out the best player on each team starting in 2001 with Marshall Faulk?

[prdstmnky36]

Craig Ehlo should have played better defense

[DMBstandUP1984]

Originally Posted by UNC41

What was odd is that Kupp only had one catch the entire second half up until the last touchdown drive. I am not sure if that was more the Bengals defending him better or Stafford not looking his way, but it was odd to see him completely absent from the offense for a bunch of possessions and then all over the place as they drove for the game-winning score.

OBJ went down had to do with a lot of it

[Antiramie]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

Why didn't BB focus on taking out the best player on each team starting in 2001 with Marshall Faulk?

They were focused on stopping the run and blitzing on passing downs, and it pretty much worked until the refs said hold my beer.

I think if you ask any Bengals fan if holding the Rams to 16 pts before that garbage penalty was satisfactory defense, 99% of them would say yes.

BTB? Speilman?

[ToySoldier#34]

One offensive player to focus on

8 receptions, 92 yards, 11.5 average, 2 TD, MVP, free release all game into zone coverage including the game winning drive

[Antiramie]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

One offensive player to focus on

8 receptions, 92 yards, 11.5 average, 2 TD, MVP, free release all game into zone coverage including the game winning drive

So still better than what some other teams with better defenses held him to in the regular season and playoffs?

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by Antiramie

So still better than what some other teams with better defenses held him to in the regular season and playoffs?

Yes they did better than scrub teams in the regular season which matters a lot in this conversation, that is true, although not enough ... because ... you know ...

[Antiramie]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

Yes they did better than scrub teams in the regular season which matters a lot in this conversation, that is true, although not enough ... because ... you know ...

Or ya know...TB and SF...

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by Antiramie

Or ya know...TB and SF...

Yes TB's vaunted secondary

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

I'd have to think hard about the last time I felt a game was decided by the refs in a Patriots game

I mean…you’re not going to get a lot of love from non-Pats fans on this comment. You had the Golden boy and the officials very often treated it as such.

Or, we can just talk about the tuck rule game

Originally Posted by UNC41

What was odd is that Kupp only had one catch the entire second half up until the last touchdown drive.

Awuzie being banged up at the end of the game is the difference there. They mostly had him on an island in the second half until he had to leave the field for injury.

[DMBstandUP1984]

Cincy fans are 2001 Raiders fans

[UNC41]

Originally Posted by Antiramie

I don't know how many times I have to say it wasn't the primary reason before you stop responding like that's what I'm saying.

And like I said before, the Rams had some atrocious offensive playcalls too. Hence why I put O-line play and officiating ahead of that variable.

You said multiple times, including in the post I just quoted, that the offensive line and refs were the main reasons the Bengals lost. I agree with the former so I only disagreed on the latter

Originally Posted by DMBstandUP1984

OBJ went down had to do with a lot of it

He was down during the last drive when Kupp was all other place too, although ...

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

Awuzie being banged up at the end of the game is the difference there. They mostly had him on an island in the second half until he had to leave the field for injury.

... this makes some sense out of it. I'm not well versed on the Bengals secondary to know who Awuzie is let alone the impact him leaving the game would have.

[Antiramie]

Any chance in hell if the Rams don't get that call on 3rd down that they consider kicking the FG with 3 TOs left?

[DMBstandUP1984]

Cincy got a bad spot on that 4th and 1 play


TBH Cincy kind of got jacked around all game

[ToySoldier#34]

Refs weren't good, Cincy play calling was an absolute train wreck at the end of the game

[Antiramie]

The Perine run to the Donald gap was mind-numbingly stupid.

[DMBstandUP1984]

The play calling on the last drive was horrendous

[UNC41]

Rams play calling wasn't much better in the 2nd half. McVay continually running it up the middle on 2nd down and 4-7 yards was horrendous.

[Antiramie]

Originally Posted by UNC41

Rams play calling wasn't much better in the 2nd half. McVay continually running it up the middle on 2nd down and 4-7 yards was horrendous.

Plus the multiple 20 yard timing routes to the sideline on 3rd and 1/short.

Was like watching Leftwich call plays all over again.

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by Antiramie

The Perine run to the Donald gap was mind-numbingly stupid.

That, the deep ball, they needed about 10-15 yards

[DMBstandUP1984]

I think Kupp is just really really good at getting open