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"Within You Without You," The Beatles, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, 1967 23 30.26%
"With or Without You," U2, The Joshua Tree, 1987 53 69.74%
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Old 06-15-2013, 11:54 AM   #31
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It's definitely not in my U2 top 5.
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    I agree with every Bo has said itt.
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    Old 06-15-2013, 11:55 AM   #33
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    Another good rule of thumb, the Beatles are overrated.

    They are, but not nearly as overrated as U2.


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    U2 is amazing. Beatles are amazing. Beatles are more historically important. I like U2 more.


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    Old 06-15-2013, 12:16 PM   #35
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    I'm actually shocked Within You Without You isn't running away with this. I'm quite confused.
    Why? WOWY is a fantastic song.

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    U2 is one of the most overrated bands of all time. Bono is a tool and Edge is one of the most overrated guitarists in the world.
    He's perfectly rated. Nobody actually thinks he's particularly good. Everyone just acknowledges the sheer amount of people that imitate/emulate his playing.

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    They are, but not nearly as overrated as U2.


    U2 blows.
    You can trace the Beatles influence to so many aspects of music culture and culture in general it is absurd. From hair to fashion to recording tech to songwriting to the business end of things, etc. Not to mention the almost unbelievable amount of timeless songs they wrote in such a short period of time.

    Also, U2 has two of the best rock records ever made, a ton of other fantastic material and has always been an incredible live band. Make fun of Bono's douchiness all you want, but you can't deny The Joshua Tree.
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    The Edge is fantastic at crafting songs. He isn't the most skilled player, but in terms of getting the right sound to come out of the guitar and to write strong hooks, he is one of the best.
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    Old 06-15-2013, 12:54 PM   #37
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    Never heard of this beatles song....pulled it up on youtube.....song sucks real bad. U2 wins, and i dont like tem either
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    Why? WOWY is a fantastic song.



    He's perfectly rated. Nobody actually thinks he's particularly good. Everyone just acknowledges the sheer amount of people that imitate/emulate his playing.





    You can trace the Beatles influence to so many aspects of music culture and culture in general it is absurd. From hair to fashion to recording tech to songwriting to the business end of things, etc. Not to mention the almost unbelievable amount of timeless songs they wrote in such a short period of time.

    Also, U2 has two of the best rock records ever made, a ton of other fantastic material and has always been an incredible live band. Make fun of Bono's douchiness all you want, but you can't deny The Joshua Tree.

    I don't dislike U2 because of Bono. I hate their music. Always have.
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    Old 06-15-2013, 01:44 PM   #39
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    Yeah that's why I said that in my post. Saying something is overrated is like not even saying anything. You pretty much stayed that you don't like how others rate the Beatles without giving your own opinion at all
    Ok. Beatles aren't that great.
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    Old 06-15-2013, 01:46 PM   #40
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    Ok. Beatles aren't that great.
    So you like the U2 song more?
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    Old 06-15-2013, 01:51 PM   #41
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    As well he should.
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    Old 06-15-2013, 01:53 PM   #42
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    I'm just trying to figure it out
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    Votes are public, son.
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    Public votes are overrated.
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    U2 is amazing. Beatles are amazing. Beatles are more historically important. I like U2 more.
    All of this.
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    U2 is one of the most overrated bands of all time. Bono is a tool and Edge is one of the most overrated guitarists in the world.

    But I do like a couple of their songs With or Without You being one.

    That being said I'm not really a big fan of Within You Without You. The rest of that album is way better than that song.

    I reluctantly have to go with the U2 song in this rare case.
    Hate when people say this, because it simply isn't true.
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    Edge is good at what he does and I've made my stance on the word "overrated" clear, but I will say that literally anything he's ever played could be practiced and mastered with the right effect pedal by anyone that's played guitar for 6 months.

    He was pretty underwhelming in "it might get loud" by showing his extremely simple style of barre chords + 5 effects and he was just totally lost when he tried to jam with page and white. Jimmy even calls him out for not knowing the chords to the song they were playing

    I don't like the edge but he has written some great riffs. I don't think anyone really rates him that highly as far as technical proficiency goes. He was original for his time and pioneered his own sound, which is impressive in and of itself.
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    Ok. Beatles aren't that great.
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    I don't like the edge but he has written some great riffs. I don't think anyone really rates him that highly as far as technical proficiency goes. He was original for his time and pioneered his own sound, which is impressive in and of itself.
    This is the basis of his being rated. I don't think any musician who puts him high on any list actually thinks he's good in the conventional sense of being a guitarist. But like I said, I think more people imitate his sound than anyone else, except probably Hendrix in the blues and rock realms and Van Halen on the metal side. Indie music, for example, the last decade has been all about pedal pushing and atmospheric sounds and all that. Those same hipsters that shit on U2 the first chance they get have Edge to thank for making that sound popular, though. Not to mention it being a standard sound now. "Oh, you want the Edge sound? Do this" is what pretty every looping/reverb pedal manufacturer says.
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    with or without you is amazing. i would put it in u2's top five, personally.
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    Hate when people say this, because it simply isn't true.
    Exactly. Watch It Might Get Loud and tell us The Edge is a terrible guitarist. He uses effects, but what of it? It gets a unique sound. It fits the band. Add to it how they create great hooks and you've got a recipe for brilliance.
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    Exactly. Watch It Might Get Loud and tell us The Edge is a terrible guitarist. He uses effects, but what of it? It gets a unique sound. It fits the band. Add to it how they create great hooks and you've got a recipe for brilliance.
    Everyone I know that has seen that movie says exactly that

    Like I said I don't think he's terrible but compared to page and white he just looks lost without his pedal board
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    Ok. Beatles aren't that great.
    I don't understand what this means. Not great how? Does not one single song they've written stay with you? If not, yeah, for you they suck. But for an artist to have even one song remain in your memory is a case for greatness. Now I don't mean muzak. The shit you hear and remember because it's become repetitive nonsense. I'm talking about songs you can't forget because they've captured some emotion within you and will forever be fused to its memory.

    How much music goes in one ear and out the other? Or doesn't even register past our ear drums?

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    U2 is amazing. Beatles are amazing. Beatles are more historically important. I like U2 more.
    I agree wholeheartedly. But for sheer fun, The Beatles cannot be topped in this poll. U2 is definitely the more serious band.
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    Everyone I know that has seen that movie says exactly that

    Like I said I don't think he's terrible but compared to page and white he just looks lost without his pedal board
    Oh sure. He admits his faults. But sometimes what's more important is what you do with what you don't have.
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    So you like the U2 song more?
    yep. Now, like I said before, that is not me saying "U2 is better than the Beatles" I just enjoy this song better than the Beatles song. And I think the Beatles are overrated.
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    people who say the edge is an overrated guitar player certainly don't understand that there is more to being a guitar player than playing shredding solos. he nearly single handedly created the sound of one of the most successful rock groups of all time and did so in a very unique way, especially in the tone of his guitar. i'm a fan.
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    He's a good artist, how about that. He is indeed unique and his playing obviously speaks to people. But a guitarist? Mediocre at best. And I don't think he's overrated

    No denying his influence though.
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    He's kind of similar to Dave in a way. Both are very popular and spawned their own sub genres of music by breaking the mold. Both are the center piece of their bands musically without "shredding" or being virtuosic but still being incredibly influential. But no one, even us here at ants, would call Dave a great guitar player in the grand scheme of things. We all love his playing and it's inspired some of us to play, but if you delve into the world of guitar and see what else is out there, you can admit that he's not proficient and for the most part very very simple. It doesn't diminish his genius as a composer and artist though.
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    I don't understand what this means. Not great how? Does not one single song they've written stay with you? If not, yeah, for you they suck. But for an artist to have even one song remain in your memory is a case for greatness. Now I don't mean muzak. The shit you hear and remember because it's become repetitive nonsense. I'm talking about songs you can't forget because they've captured some emotion within you and will forever be fused to its memory.

    How much music goes in one ear and out the other? Or doesn't even register past our ear drums?
    I like a handful of their songs. I have 4 in my iTunes playlist, even then I could cut out two of them and not miss them at all.

    Let me phrase it differently: I think the Beatles influence on rock music is far greater of an accomplishment than the actual music they produced.

    What the band did for rock music is very much worthy of all the accolades they receive but the music itself (again IMO) is very average.
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    He's kind of similar to Dave in a way. Both are very popular and spawned their own sub genres of music by breaking the mold. Both are the center piece of their bands musically without "shredding" or being virtuosic but still being incredibly influential. But no one, even us here at ants, would call Dave a great guitar player in the grand scheme of things. We all love his playing and it's inspired some of us to play, but if you delve into the world of guitar and see what else is out there, you can admit that he's not proficient and for the most part very very simple. It doesn't diminish his genius as a composer and artist though.

    Yup. There are many different styles of guitar playing out there. Both The Edge and Dave rarely solo. Dave especially. They're more rhythmic players. Does this diminish their talents? Not one bit. But it does say they aren't as technically proficient. Then again, neither is B.B. King. It all depends upon what you're looking for in a guitarist.

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