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Old 08-15-2018, 04:27 PM   #96721
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Lol at you people that are fine with FB but not with cake baker bro.
Completely different scenarios. I don't sign anything when I walk into a bakery. If the baker had a sign up on his wall that said "we reserve the right to deny service based on our religious beliefs" then I would expect that baker to make decisions based on the stated policy. If the baker did not have that sign up and denied service for a religious reason then I can see why people would be upset.
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    Completely different scenarios. I don't sign anything when I walk into a bakery. If the baker had a sign up on his wall that said "we reserve the right to deny service based on our religious beliefs" then I would expect that baker to make decisions based on the stated policy. If the baker did not have that sign up and denied service for a religious reason then I can see why people would be upset.
    FWIW the supreme court disagrees with you.
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    But that proves my point...the candidate/campaign/messaging is ultimately what won/lost, not maintaining current economic conditions. I'm not saying there's literally no one voting on that, I'm just saying that it isn't the deciding factor it used to be.



    Lol at you not understanding that race/religion/gender are protected class but political affiliations are not. Resident lawyer and DC Comic loyalist Steng already provided a course on this months back during the Colorado case.
    You make it seem like the baker lost.

    In fact, he’s now suing the governor.
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    Lol at you not understanding that race/religion/gender are protected class but political affiliations are not. Resident lawyer and DC Comic loyalist Steng already provided a course on this months back during the Colorado case.


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    Completely different scenarios. I don't sign anything when I walk into a bakery. If the baker had a sign up on his wall that said "we reserve the right to deny service based on our religious beliefs" then I would expect that baker to make decisions based on the stated policy. If the baker did not have that sign up and denied service for a religious reason then I can see why people would be upset.
    I’m pretty sure you can’t put up a sign that says it’s your policy to discriminate against people and expect it to be all good.
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    Old 08-15-2018, 04:38 PM   #96726
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    Well, good on you for wanting to hear both sides of the argument.

    My belief is that these companies have been hesitant to strictly enforce their terms of service up until now because they fear the backlash they would receive from right-wing media and their followers. That is the end of the political spectrum where most of the controversial subject matter is originating from so there exists a misperception on the right that they are being 'targeted' when it's just how things balance out in our current climate.

    If it takes public pressure for them to enforce their own rules then so be it. If they don't like it then they should change their rules.
    I guess the discussion we’re entering into is:should they change these rules?

    I’m not worried about YouTube’s specific TOS but thinking in much broader terms. How do we as a society feel about censorship?

    It’s reported that Google had been designing a mobile search app that would block certain search terms and allow it to reenter the Chinese market. It’s a bit concerning.
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    Old 08-15-2018, 04:41 PM   #96727
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    I’m pretty sure you can’t put up a sign that says it’s your policy to discriminate against people and expect it to be all good.


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    Old 08-15-2018, 04:52 PM   #96728
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    I guess the discussion we’re entering into is:should they change these rules?

    I’m not worried about YouTube’s specific TOS but thinking in much broader terms. How do we as a society feel about censorship?

    It’s reported that Google had been designing a mobile search app that would block certain search terms and allow it to reenter the Chinese market. It’s a bit concerning.
    I hear you. I think it helps to separate government censorship from private companies enforcing rules that they created for themselves.

    The China case is an interesting one in that it is a private company designing a version of their product due to a government policy of censorship. China's human rights policies (free expression included) continue to be concerning.
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    Old 08-15-2018, 04:59 PM   #96729
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    Paul Ryan, a profile in courage.

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    Paul Ryan laughed off the idea of Trump revoking the security clearances of his political opponents, saying he was just “trolling people."

    (I have asked Paul Ryan's shop for a response to the Brennan news)

    Update: Paul Ryan's shop declined to comment.

    https://twitter.com/jbendery/status/1029801302208000000
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    Old 08-15-2018, 05:09 PM   #96730
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    I have no problem with Trump revoking security clearance of Brennan as it will be more entertaining when the next President revoke's Trumps.
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    Old 08-15-2018, 05:14 PM   #96731
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    Paul Ryan, a profile in courage.

    @jbendery

    Paul Ryan laughed off the idea of Trump revoking the security clearances of his political opponents, saying he was just “trolling people."

    (I have asked Paul Ryan's shop for a response to the Brennan news)

    Update: Paul Ryan's shop declined to comment.

    https://twitter.com/jbendery/status/1029801302208000000
    goal posts moved....sounds about right
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    Old 08-15-2018, 05:17 PM   #96732
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    I have no problem with Trump revoking security clearance of Brennan as it will be more entertaining when the next President revoke's Trumps.
    If only, when he’s out of office, we could go Eternal Sunshine on his ass.
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    Old 08-15-2018, 05:27 PM   #96733
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    You make it seem like the baker lost.

    In fact, he’s now suing the governor.
    The case he won in SCOTUS was because the Colorado Civil Rights Commission overstepped. The decision was 7-2 and was a narrow decision, not to be applied to other cases of similar nature and not weighing in explicitly on anti-discrimination/freedom of speech or religion.

    His suit against the governor is actually for a separate case of denying a transgender person a cake for their transition celebration party.
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    Old 08-15-2018, 05:38 PM   #96734
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    The case he won in SCOTUS was because the Colorado Civil Rights Commission overstepped. The decision was 7-2 and was a narrow decision, not to be applied to other cases of similar nature and not weighing in explicitly on anti-discrimination/freedom of speech or religion.

    His suit against the governor is actually for a separate case of denying a transgender person a cake for their transition celebration party.
    Your clarification are good ones but he still was not compelled to make the cake.

    It’s my understanding that this new suit against the governor and Colorado Civil Rights commission stems from the same 2012 incident with him not making a cake for the gay couple.

    He’s alleging loss of income due to their unconstitutional actions.
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    Old 08-15-2018, 05:46 PM   #96735
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    Your clarification are good ones but he still was not compelled to make the cake.

    It’s my understanding that this new suit against the governor and Colorado Civil Rights commission stems from the same 2012 incident with him not making a cake for the gay couple.

    He’s alleging loss of income due to their unconstitutional actions.
    Maybe it is, it's hard to tell the way it's been written, but going off of this it seems like it's for a different case: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbs...sues-colorado/
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    Old 08-15-2018, 05:50 PM   #96736
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    Maybe it is, it's hard to tell the way it's been written, but going off of this it seems like it's for a different case: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbs...sues-colorado/
    Here is the local story

    https://www.9news.com/mobile/article...h/73-584331951
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    Old 08-15-2018, 06:05 PM   #96737
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    Shotty's subterfuge efforts aimed at Koreans is working.

    https://jalopnik.com/no-one-is-reall...een-1828054682
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    Old 08-15-2018, 06:58 PM   #96738
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    I'm still taking away that the suit arises from the second denial to the transgender person:

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    Less than a month after the Supreme Court ruling, the suit claims the state told Phillips he violated Colorado law by declining to create that cake
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    How long until the complaints about this begin?

    https://apnews.com/6581e53d64bb41ee8...-radio-station
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    Speaking of Korea how's denuking going?
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    BREAKING: Chairman Grassley has unilaterally ruled 1/3 of the #Kavanaugh records to be “Committee Confidential” meaning anyone not on Judiciary Committee cannot see them. That’s 79 Senators & the entire American public. It’s an unprecedented level of secrecy. #WhatAreTheyHiding?

    https://twitter.com/SenMarkey/status...743114241?s=19

    I'd like to see the Senate rule that allows this, please.
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    BREAKING: Chairman Grassley has unilaterally ruled 1/3 of the #Kavanaugh records to be “Committee Confidential” meaning anyone not on Judiciary Committee cannot see them. That’s 79 Senators & the entire American public. It’s an unprecedented level of secrecy. #WhatAreTheyHiding?

    https://twitter.com/SenMarkey/status...743114241?s=19

    I'd like to see the Senate rule that allows this, please.
    Can the Dems on the committee not just read them out loud on the floor to enter them into public record? A similar mechanism exists in the House, and I think that is how Feinstein got the full Fusion GPS testimony made public
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    Protest planned to shut down the Kennedy near O'Hare during Labor Day weekend. Wondering how well it will be received. In other Chicago news...

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...rruption-cases

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    Cochran — a former Chicago police officer — was elected in 2007 after his predecessor was arrested on bribery charges. Since 1972, more than two dozen city aldermen have been convicted of crimes related to official duties.
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    Why does Chicago call their city council aldermen? That bothers me almost as much as candidates with hyphenated names.
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    Andrew Cuomo, Ocasio, and and Christine Hallquist are the Democratic Party. Man they sure try and make it easy for Republicans.
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    wish Cuomo wasn't but yeah he certainly does represent a section of the party
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    Andrew Cuomo, Ocasio, and and Christine Hallquist are the Democratic Party. Man they sure try and make it easy for Republicans.
    Yeea, ride that wave boi
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    Andrew Cuomo, Ocasio, and and Christine Hallquist are the Democratic Party. Man they sure try and make it easy for Republicans.
    Everyone looks good next to Trump. He spends half his time golfing and hate watching cable news.
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    Everyone looks good next to Trump. He spends half his time golfing and hate watching cable news.
    Don't forget secretly working with Mueller to take down a Democrat global child sex trafficking ring.
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    Don't forget secretly working with Mueller to take down a Democrat global child sex trafficking ring.
    Do Republicans know that they are almost certainly going to lose the House and what the ramifications of that are? I sense many of the MAGA hatters don't.
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